best nutrients to use in hydro

rkymtnman said:

gotcha. so it's pretty similar to the 3-2-1 Jacks mix.

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Basically lol

But i wanted to be different going with hydro gardens cause every body eles is running jacks lol

@southernguy99

Its ok dude unless you got something to show your just mucking up the thread imo your broken record is getting old bud.

And when i say "almost clear" it means the water IS clear with no sedimentz floating around
But looks like someone added 1 drop of yellow food coloring barely visible.


Sounds like you need to start your own nute company not fucking about on a weed forum

your right Coldsmoke maybe I am I didn't realize how ignorant some of you are, I posted more info in this thread then you learned in the last ten years. my point was simple high quality nutes mixes properly is far better then any other bottles stuff you can get. you obviously have a hard time grasping that simple concept. but maybe when you learn how to or try the 6 pack method you'll realize the difference. you have no clue what I've did in the past or and what I may have started or and been involved in nice try and fucking around here funny coming from you when you didn't even know how to mix your own from scratch or know what 6 pack was or anything.

and as far as im4satori goes him and I along with Dr.who already had a chat and yes those guys know there stuff, but we listened to each other and in the end i think I pointed some stuff out to them they were not aware of as well as they did to me. I be interested to see if they tested what I suggested. and if anyone wants to suggest or discreated anything I said in this thread with any contradictory journals etc feel free too, but I can tell you this coldsmoke i've been around the nutes industry long enough that I might just know a bit more then you think.

Cold$moke said:

Im still learning its nuances

But the highest i took them was 1180 ppm
Which was
2gr 4-20
2 gr cal N
1.8 gr mag sul per gal.
This was a bit hot it didnt burn them but they did not drop the ppm just sat there lol

So now in week five of bloom

I gave
1.5 gr 420
1.5 gr cal N
1.25gr mag sul
And .5 gr mpk per gallon
Came out to like 1080 (my water is 180 start ppm) so 900 ppm

No tip burn or curling
So next week im going to bump them
Up to 1gr per gallon of mpk

If they like that i might bump em one last time before i taper off cause I think i got a 12 weeker lol

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I didn't re-run the numbers ...but just be careful with the higher amounts of mkp...all the P isn't really required, its on option for those who like the high P feeds in late bloom but id bet youd be fine not raising it

again, I didn't re-run the numbers so......

southernguy99 said:

your right Coldsmoke maybe I am I didn't realize how ignorant some of you are, I posted more info in this thread then you learned in the last ten years. my point was simple high quality nutes mixes properly is far better then any other bottles stuff you can get. you obviously have a hard time grasping that simple concept. but maybe when you learn how to or try the 6 pack method you'll realize the difference. you have no clue what I've did in the past or and what I may have started or and been involved in nice try and fucking around here funny coming from you when you didn't even know how to mix your own from scratch or know what 6 pack was or anything.

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Dude, I can't stand to be civil any more. You are fucking tedious and arrogant as hell. Seriously shut your fucking wordhole until you can afford people around you an ounce of respect.

Nobody likes you.

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southernguy99 said:

your right Coldsmoke maybe I am I didn't realize how ignorant some of you are, I posted more info in this thread then you learned in the last ten years. my point was simple high quality nutes mixes properly is far better then any other bottles stuff you can get. you obviously have a hard time grasping that simple concept. but maybe when you learn how to or try the 6 pack method you'll realize the difference. you have no clue what I've did in the past or and what I may have started or and been involved in nice try and fucking around here funny coming from you when you didn't even know how to mix your own from scratch or know what 6 pack was or anything.

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No no im Serious start a nute co and ill run testers for you

Better yet why dont you mix some up for us to buy from. Ya

Ignorance is bliss bud

Why dont you start your own thread and get the masses educated.

Since you are so awsome we should all tune in to learn from das masters oof budtz ,heil

Dude im sure if i wanted to spend the time to learn more i could do the same....but ive already read more then i care to admit about this fuckin plant lol and not just forum threads haha

Unfortunately my life requires me to do other things

Hence why i buy nutrients

Not because im too dumb to figure it out
Its cause i grow well enough i dont need to care lol

Please start a new thread ill join in there

im4satori said:

I didn't re-run the numbers ...but just be careful with the higher amounts of mkp...all the P isn't really required, its on option for those who like the high P feeds in late bloom but id bet youd be fine not raising it

again, I didn't re-run the numbers so......

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My bad buddy

Ok I ordered both the megacrop and the chem-gro. Any day now.

I guess im gunna start one of the nutes on a set of blue dream (about a foot tall now) that's been on house and garden nutes, a shot or two of bio bizz kelp, 5ml of raw humic acid miixed in and a shot of cal/mag. Sitting on top of an 18 gallon rez under an 8 bulb t-5, then it goes to the 25 gallon rez with a titan ebb and flow rig spread out under three t-5's then it goes to a 40-50 gallon rez titan ebb and flow rig under two1000 hps.

I'm thinking about liking the megacrop because of the extra stuff in it that I use and like and like not having to buy and using that as my nutes from now on.

So the ? is use the megacrop on the BD and then try the chem-gro on a set of GG#4 ( fresh rooted cuts) that will be coming up after the BD moves down the line. I think the megacrop is going to play with the BD nicer than the chem-gro. ?????

I also have a set of gg#4 under the 3 t-5's right now that I am thinking about putting into a flower room that are getting pretty big and am running out of h&g nutes but have enough nutes to finish out a flower run that I have going now, so I think that is what I need to do so the gg#4 will have to go from h&g nutes in veg to the new dry nutes at the start of flower. ???? Sound reasonable? Pitfalls?

Pics are the bd before and after i had to deal with the ph issue and the gg#4

i've tried mega and you are comparing apples to oranges.

the mega has way more of everything including silica. if you supplement the chem gro equally, then let's see the side by side

rkymtnman said:

i've tried mega and you are comparing apples to oranges.

the mega has way more of everything including silica. if you supplement the chem gro equally, then let's see the side by side

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The bd is coming off of a bad ph trip cuz of my ph probe and being brain damaged and not catching it. I do think the mega will play better with the bd. I'll put you down as undecided.

I can't cuz im out of amino acid and out of money. the bd is going to secondary veg and the gg is going to flower this weekend. then the new cuts will go to first veg.

I thought that we all agreed that we didnt need to supplement the chem-gro. But I will throw some kelp in there for the roots in the new gg set maybe a shot of silica but im out of amino acid.

rkymtnman said:

i've tried mega and you are comparing apples to oranges.

the mega has way more of everything including silica. if you supplement the chem gro equally, then let's see the side by side

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But the price is comparable isn’t it? Well not for me, shipping adds a gazillion dollars to it all. But it would seem to me that at the price point of both, if you had to add to the Chem gro to get comparable results would it not make sense to run MC? I’ve only ran the MC for two weeks and I have no roots so I’m still on the fence lol.

Bernie420 said:

I thought that we all agreed that we didnt need to supplement the chem-gro.

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i'm not a nutes expert by far but i read the website last nite: if the nutrient analysis is correct, then it's low in Mg, no Ca, and alot of micros are missing. and no silica, no sulfur too.

Budley Doright said:

But the price is comparable isn’t it? Well not for me, shipping adds a gazillion dollars to it all. But it would seem to me that at the price point of both, if you had to add to the Chem gro to get comparable results would it not make sense to run MC? I’ve only ran the MC for two weeks and I have no roots so I’m still on the fence lol.

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you can read about my experience withe mega on their ad site here.

i guess it's up to you, do you want to add a bunch of stuff to your res? i want a one part nute, maybe 2 additives and done. K.I.S.S

rkymtnman said:

you can read about my experience withe mega on their ad site here.

i guess it's up to you, do you want to add a bunch of stuff to your res? i want a one part nute, maybe 2 additives and done. K.I.S.S

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Yes I hear ya, like I said, I’m having some major issues right now (no roots is concerning lol) and the only thing I’ve changed in 5 years is my nutes . I have enough of my aqua flakes knock off to do one run and don’t have time to figure out if it is in fact the MC so I’m switching back tomorrow . Maybe give the MC a go outside . I must have missed your post but I’ll have a look.

rkymtnman said:

you can read about my experience withe mega on their ad site here.

i guess it's up to you, do you want to add a bunch of stuff to your res? i want a one part nute, maybe 2 additives and done. K.I.S.S

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im on page 25 of that thread

I think the topic, is subjective.
I believe in quality. But price too.
Also your individual needs in your garden.


For instance.
Mine is dirt cheap. $70 Australian, for a 5 litre kit.
It suits my needs excellently!
I don't have to use any ph up/down. It buffers my tap water fine. I love that.
I'm in 100% coir. I use it from seedling, right through to flower.
No supplements. No calmag, pk booster, nothing.

A 1 litre kit from Advanced Nutrients, costs $40 Australian.

My seeds broke ground on 28/01/2018.
Flipped 15/03/2018.



I think just finding a nutrient, that suits your needs, is most important. Doesn't matter the brand.

Bernie420 said:

The bd is coming off of a bad ph trip cuz of my ph probe and being brain damaged and not catching it. I do think the mega will play better with the bd. I'll put you down as undecided.

I can't cuz im out of amino acid and out of money. the bd is going to secondary veg and the gg is going to flower this weekend. then the new cuts will go to first veg.

I thought that we all agreed that we didnt need to supplement the chem-gro. But I will throw some kelp in there for the roots in the new gg set maybe a shot of silica but im out of amino acid.

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All I’ve used for a while was an Aqua Flakes copy that is mixed in town and Vitanimo and it has worked well for my setup. Can’t get the copy now as they’ve went totally wholesale with no storefront they were also busted, biggest meth operation in Ontario lol. I think they lost their chemist lol.

rkymtnman said:

i'm not a nutes expert by far but i read the website last nite: if the nutrient analysis is correct, then it's low in Mg, no Ca, and alot of micros are missing. and no silica, no sulfur too.

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Without double checking I thought that they had the same micro's just different ratio's. I forgot I typed them down. Just the sulfer and silica in the megacrop is different I guess. No biggy.

CHEM-GRO 4-20 HYDROPONIC FORMULA 4-20-39

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Total Nitrogen (N) ………………………………………......……………4.00%
Nitrate Nitrogen…………………………….............……………3.50%
Ammoniacal Nitrogen………………............………………….0.50%
Available Phosphoric Acid (P205)………………………………20.00%
Soluble Potash (K20)………………….....…………………………… 39.00%
Available Magnesium as (Mg)………..……………………………..0.35%

TRACE ELEMENTS

Boron as (B) ………………………………………………........…………….0.20%
Copper as (Cu)………………………………………........………………… 0.05%
Iron (Chelated) as (Fe).. ……………………………………………..0.41%
Manganese as (Mn)…………………………........…………………………0.22%
Molybdenum as (Mo) ………………........………………………………0.01%
Zinc as (Zn)…………………………………........…………………………….0.05%

Derived From:
Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Muriate of Potash,
Iron Chelate (DTPA), Boric Acid, Iron Sulfate, Magnesium Sulfate,
Manganese Sulfate, Copper Chelate (EDTA), Zinc Chelate (EDTA), Zinc Sulfate
Molybdic Acid
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MEGACROP 10-5-14

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Total Nitrogen (N) …………………………………………………10.00%
Nitrate Nitrogen………………………….......………………9.60%
Ammoniacal Nitrogen……………………………….......….0.4%
Available Phosphoric Acid (P205)……………………5.5%
Soluble Potash (K20)……………………………………………… 14.5%
Calcium (Ca)............................6.5%
Available Magnesium as (Mg)……………………………..1.9%

TRACE ELEMENTS
Sulfer..................................1.1%
Boron as (B) ……………………………………………………………...0.08%
Copper as (Cu)………………………………………………………..… 0.05%
Iron (Chelated) as (Fe).. ……………………………..0.08%
Manganese as (Mn)……………………………………………..………0.08%
Molybdenum as (Mo) …………………………………………….……0.01%
Zinc as (Zn)………………………………………………………..……….0.11%
Silicon (S)............................0.1%

Budley Doright said:

Yes I hear ya, like I said, I’m having some major issues right now (no roots is concerning lol) and the only thing I’ve changed in 5 years is my nutes . I have enough of my aqua flakes knock off to do one run and don’t have time to figure out if it is in fact the MC so I’m switching back tomorrow . Maybe give the MC a go outside . I must have missed your post but I’ll have a look.

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He's talking about he megacrop thread in the advertisers section

For roots I used roots accelerator, rhizoblast, kelp, hydrogaurd. not at the same time but all seemed to help with the root department.