Budley Doright
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Just. For the record I don’t think mixing would be good either lol. But hey if you want to experiment by all means 
. I’d be interested to see how it all works .
. I’d be interested to see how it all works .
best nutrients to use in hydro
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jimihendrix1
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HHHHHHHMMMMMM.
About.... Amino Acids.... HHHHHMMMM
What Are Amino Acids ????? HHHHHMMMMM.
Building Blocks of Protein..... HHHHHMMMMMM
HMM. In Human Beings when we Eat Protein, it Turns Into Nitrogen in the Body. Plant sidesteps this, and is fed Nitrogen. Either Chemical, or Organic. It all breaks down to the same thing in the end, but chemicals aren't benefical to normal soil vs organics.
#1.. As Human Beings, We Eat/Drink Protein for our Amino Acids. Or take Pills ect. Some may even IV them.
Amino Acids are What???
Building Blocks of Protein.
What does Protein Do When It Enters the Body ???? HHHHHMMMMM? Turns to Nitrogen.
Supply with the Correct Ratio From the Beginning, and anything else is a Waste, of Money.
It Turns To Nitrogen.
Ever hear of the term Anabolic?? It meant to Build Up.
Catabolic ???? Tear Down.
Anabolic Means You are in Positive Nitrogen Balance, thus indicating you are getting a Constant Supply of Protein/Amino Acids to Remain Anabolic, and Not Go Catabolic, and are not using Lean Tissue for Energy.
Same for a Plant.
If you supply it with All of the Nitrogen ( Amino Acids ) it Needs, and then further supply it with even more Protein/Amino Acids, its probably not for the Positive.
You cannot force something to absorb more than you can absorb. Its that simple. While I'm also a firm believer you need extra protein if working out really hard, but if you overboard, all youre really doing is stressing your kidneys. You can only use so much.
Plant aint no different.
Also remember.
For Every Action, There Is an Equal, and Opposite Reaction. IMHO no use mucking with a proven formula.
About.... Amino Acids.... HHHHHMMMM
What Are Amino Acids ????? HHHHHMMMMM.
Building Blocks of Protein..... HHHHHMMMMMM
HMM. In Human Beings when we Eat Protein, it Turns Into Nitrogen in the Body. Plant sidesteps this, and is fed Nitrogen. Either Chemical, or Organic. It all breaks down to the same thing in the end, but chemicals aren't benefical to normal soil vs organics.
#1.. As Human Beings, We Eat/Drink Protein for our Amino Acids. Or take Pills ect. Some may even IV them.
Amino Acids are What???
Building Blocks of Protein.
What does Protein Do When It Enters the Body ???? HHHHHMMMMM? Turns to Nitrogen.
Supply with the Correct Ratio From the Beginning, and anything else is a Waste, of Money.
It Turns To Nitrogen.
Ever hear of the term Anabolic?? It meant to Build Up.
Catabolic ???? Tear Down.
Anabolic Means You are in Positive Nitrogen Balance, thus indicating you are getting a Constant Supply of Protein/Amino Acids to Remain Anabolic, and Not Go Catabolic, and are not using Lean Tissue for Energy.
Same for a Plant.
If you supply it with All of the Nitrogen ( Amino Acids ) it Needs, and then further supply it with even more Protein/Amino Acids, its probably not for the Positive.
You cannot force something to absorb more than you can absorb. Its that simple. While I'm also a firm believer you need extra protein if working out really hard, but if you overboard, all youre really doing is stressing your kidneys. You can only use so much.
Plant aint no different.
Also remember.
For Every Action, There Is an Equal, and Opposite Reaction. IMHO no use mucking with a proven formula.
Budley Doright
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Like I said earlier it’s all ancedotal but the blotching did go away when I started using Vitanimo (botanicare).
blowincherrypie
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Ya MC has been a blessing for me. I was using Jacks but wound up needing to add like 3 other shits to it. So far MC has been working as advertised and I honestly couldn't believe the price. They were running a 50% off deal through their website for the big bag a little over a month ago.. Should last a while to say the least
Bernie420
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I hear ya it doesnt sound that weird to me though. Ive been mixing up stuff for a long time now, throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks i guess . Just never the right way and I know thats what is holding me back cuz everything else other than how/what I feed the girls is dialed in. You cant learn if you dont fail.Best NOT to mix 2 nutrients unless your a chemistry wizz
Your starting to sound a little silly with the whole find a new formula by mixing others lol
I like kelp and other things too and after i get the nutrients dialed in i intend on blending some stuff together with the chem gro.
But they will be individual elements. And nothing that will fuck with the chem grow lol
If you wanted all that stuff to begin with you should have chosen mega crop.
Because nutes with bio stimulants will behave a certain way and be taken up by the plant differently then a full synthetic does.
Just all in all a bad idea.
But i have done it too, so im talking from experience budd as i like to experiment my self.
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Ive probably screwed up and fixed almost every crop ive had in one
what bio stimulants are you thinking adding. Me and you are thinking the exact same way, both tired of the liquid nute bs, kind of scaring me. I read your thread about this same subject today. I want some farm grade shit.
I m gunna use a root stimulant like kelp or roots excellurator, rhizoblast with the chem-gro and probably get some silica in there as well. I dont wnat to ad amino acid was using amino aid from soul. I guess I dont need amino acid if I read the other guys post right idk I should start a thread on that subject alone. I know I dont want to buy it anymore.
Bernie420
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I hear ya but its not wrapping around my brain. I heard the building blocks of protein thing learned that in third grade. Just dont know what these protein blocks are oh look time for recess.
What I know about amino acid is what I got from harley and that amino acid helps with the uptake of calcium. So in my mind it sounds like I could use the help getting the calcium in there. Now is that just for dirt. Cuz everything i've learned is from the dirt people and have had to apply it to my hydro. I do have dirt mothers never gave them amino acid come to think of it. Probably dont even need it and have been wasting the money on it and screwing up my plants metabolism all this time.
Plants are a lot like people in so many ways when you think about it.
thanks for the post.
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Bernie420
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It might not be a good idea but im sure it would work. If i can get pretty good results with what im doing now then just mixing the two is a cake walk. I just like the idea of the amino, b vitamin, kelp and silica in there. I like the idea of not buying those things separately again.Just. For the record I don’t think mixing would be good either lol. But hey if you want to experiment by all means
I guess i gotta do this later though. Maybe make a whole experiment post from seedling to harvest with the mix and just the other things listed earlier in the thread in post three.
Budley Doright
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I would love to see the results, I only tried the amino on advice from an old grower on another site re blotching after I was told it was a useless additive by lots and it did work for my situation re cal mag uptake so you never know until you try
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Budley Doright
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Oh great a side by .... would love to see you try that and Mountain Dew
Cold$moke
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Just remember @Bernie420
Your nutrients only make up like 10 to 20 percent of plant growth prefomance.
Most is temps and humidity
I like experimentation
But if you mix two base nutes together you may end up making a worthless cocktail unless your very knowledgeable about chemical reactions,precipitation, ect ect.
Much safer to add the individual elements and pretty cheap too .
I dont know gow long you been growing for but eventually you will learn its the indian not the arrow when it comes to nutrients.
Environment trumps nutes every time.
Basically im nicley telling to not to mix the 2 for your own sanity
Cause you wont know whats fucking what up lol
Its why scientist only test one variable at a time even though they know they could get better results tweaking 2 varibles it would skew their results on the first variables
God i hope that makes sens im a little taterd
Your nutrients only make up like 10 to 20 percent of plant growth prefomance.
Most is temps and humidity
I like experimentation
But if you mix two base nutes together you may end up making a worthless cocktail unless your very knowledgeable about chemical reactions,precipitation, ect ect.
Much safer to add the individual elements and pretty cheap too .
I dont know gow long you been growing for but eventually you will learn its the indian not the arrow when it comes to nutrients.
Environment trumps nutes every time.
Basically im nicley telling to not to mix the 2 for your own sanity
Cause you wont know whats fucking what up lol
Its why scientist only test one variable at a time even though they know they could get better results tweaking 2 varibles it would skew their results on the first variables
God i hope that makes sens im a little taterd
Budley Doright
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It does but jeesh couldn’t he try just once lol.Just remember @Bernie420
Your nutrients only make up like 10 to 20 percent of plant growth prefomance.
Most is temps and humidity
I like experimentation
But if you mix two base nutes together you may end up making a worthless cocktail unless your very knowledgeable about chemical reactions,precipitation, ect ect.
Much safer to add the individual elements and pretty cheap too .
I dont know gow long you been growing for but eventually you will learn its the indian not the arrow when it comes to nutrients.
Environment trumps nutes every time.
Basically im nicley telling to not to mix the 2 for your own sanity
Cause you wont know whats fucking what up lol
Its why scientist only test one variable at a time even though they know they could get better results tweaking 2 varibles it would skew their results on the first variables
God i hope that makes sens im a little taterd
Bernie420
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Why the long face yoda?
Bernie420
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thats kinda whats going on around here now. Its on the back burner though so dont worry I have to order the other stuff out of england I guess and I have other things to mess with first. Honestly i'll lose interest in it but i would think that nothing would happen and the plants would just grow like normal. I do like a challenge though we'll put it on the front burner.Basically im nicley telling to not to mix the 2 for your own sanity
Cause you wont know whats fucking what up lol
Its why scientist only test one variable at a time even though they know they could get better results tweaking 2 varibles it would skew their results on the first variables
God i hope that makes sens im a little taterd
Bernie420
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I would like to thank you for your support.
Maybe in the fall we can try this let me screw things up with just one product a few times then we can try the two. Im thinking in the fall or maybe never i'll probably lose interest in it as time goes on.
PetFlora
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I didn't know there was a 700 scale. I thought only 500/600 for ONE EC
PetFlora
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soil uses microbes which turn nutrients into aminos. In hydro microbes screwed up my roots, but aminos and enzymes at ~ 1/4 strength worked fine
FYI, plants, unlike humans, have no problem converting inorganic salts into energy
Bernie420
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can I ask you about this? I take it you grow in hydro? So this whole time for the past couple of years all the amino acid I bought was a waste. The amino aid from soul synthetics was the product I used.I would love to see the results, I only tried the amino on advice from an old grower on another site re blotching after I was told it was a useless additive by lots and it did work for my situation re cal mag uptake so you never know until you try