Best NPK Ratio for Veg and Flower

Discussion in 'Nutrients' started by Waiakeauka, Jul 31, 2011.

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    bankcee

    bankcee Active Member

    I got some nice nls going but I think it was just beginners luck. 10 day flower. and I'm noticing an N def and trying to figure out if it's a def or lockout or my bennies aren't working.

    but I also wanna understand all this info going into my second crop.
     
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    VTMi'kmaq

    VTMi'kmaq Well-Known Member

    Imvho thats overdoing it in soil. Even if you started with (lets say 1 bale) of pro-mix or sunshine mix. It's been my experiance that adding too much stuff like the above post can cause nute lockouts or excess salts to build up. Sometimes its best to start with as minimal amendments as possible and let the plants tell you what they need to thrive. I am NOT arguing or saying i know whats best, just giving my experiance so far. I wanna be part of the solution here not the problem..
     
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    bankcee

    bankcee Active Member

    you grow organically? if so I'm interested in your recipe then. I'm all for learning and trying new stuff. new recipes. and trial and error.
     
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    VTMi'kmaq

    VTMi'kmaq Well-Known Member

    okie dokie, hold on a sec.
     
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    Carolina Dream'n

    Carolina Dream'n Well-Known Member

    IMO there shouldn't be a different base nutrient fro veg or flower. It should be the same and any PK boost you should want in flower should be obtained through using monopotassium phosphate.

    3-2-6 works perfect for me in veg and all of flowering.
     
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    bankcee

    bankcee Active Member

    you grow organically? super soils or feed schedule?
     
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    Carolina Dream'n

    Carolina Dream'n Well-Known Member

    No organics for me, unless it outside in the veggie garden. I always recommend Ionic bloom from start to finish. It's one part and does a great job. They have a pk boost if your into that. Super easy with great results. Pretty sure that's what everyone wants.
     
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    NwDankBuds

    NwDankBuds Member

    I know this post is super old but I had some questions...

    So if for veg the npk ratio is 3-1-2 and I wanted to brew my own tea for veg, how much of each npk should I add? For instance I am already using bat guano which is 7 P. Does this mean I would need a mix of other organic amendments to get me to 21-7-14? Or do I need more or less of that ratio
     
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    NwDankBuds

    NwDankBuds Member

    No one can answer this?
     
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    LRX

    LRX Member

    I know this post is super old but I had some questions...

    So if for veg the npk ratio is 3-1-2 and I wanted to brew my own tea for veg, how much of each npk should I add? For instance I am already using bat guano which is 7 P. Does this mean I would need a mix of other organic amendments to get me to 21-7-14? Or do I need more or less of that ratio

    Do not do this (21-7-14) for veg.
    Your bat guano is best used as an additive for bloom/flower
    if you throw it into a mix for veg and then try to make it fit you handy 3-1-2
    you are gonna shock the life out of things.

    10 for N is probably plenty for most general applications.
    And I would say too much maybe.
    I do not want to put a number ppl should use for N in veg.
    I would just say a normal application threshold 10 is getting up there.

    For example - Humboldt Nutrients 'Verde'
    is an additive - SUPER high in nitrogen
    I know first hand that scientist's were paid to make this line of products.
    If they are using 16 for N in this product
    which a tiny drops or 2 is all you need in a foliar spray.
    Do you think you should be feeding your plants a regular dose of
    Nitrogen level 21.

    Come On Man'
    Hope this helps.
    I want to help.
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2016
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    LRX

    LRX Member

    *** please note *** this chart is up for interpretation***
    Veg week 1: 3 - 1 - 2
    Veg week 2: 3 - 1 - 2
    Flo week 1 : 3 - 1 - 2
    Flo week 2 : 3 - 1 - 2
    Flo week 3 : 1 - 1 - 2
    Flo week 4 : 1 - 1 - 2
    Flo week 5 : 1 - 1 - 2
    Flo week 6 : 1 - 1 - 2
    Flo week 7 : 0 - 1 - 2
    Flo week 8 : 0 - 1 - 2
    Flo week 9 : 0 - 0 - 0
    Flo week 10: 0 - 0 - 0

    The good is the flush and the transitions.
    The bad - is the 1 - 1 - 2 part for bloom.

    Why do Nutrient lines make products like this for bloom:
    0 N - 10 P - 0 K

    Hmmm. Cuz you should use 1-1-2 for bloom. ???
    Come on man.

    It is double P to K /// 2P:1K

    Basic dry fertilizer:
    dr earth organic tomato herb (5 - 7 - 3)

    dr earth organic bud bloom booster (4 - 10 - 7)
    Notice here the P is still higher than the K

    Nectar of the gods - Herculean Harvest (0 - 10 - 0)

    Do you think these people make these products this way for a reason???
    "I rest my case"

    Hope this helps people sift through stuff.

    Can anyone find me a bud bloom booster product on the market with double the K to P (1P:2K)??
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2016
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    LRX

    LRX Member

    Ok.

    Bountea - Makes a product that goes in their tea system.
    Their B3 - compost tea bloom additive.
    It is N1 P4 K7
    Granted: this product is meant to grow huge veggies (really)
    so i feel like for the MJ it might be better for the HIGHER levels of P.
    However I did answer my own question by finding a bloom product with close to double the K to P.

    Now I guess I need to research why this can seemingly flip-flop.
    Have to go back to basics.
    What does P do?
    What does K do?
    How do they work together?

    Maybe it should change mid flower:
    go from -- early flower 1-1-2
    change -- mid flower to 1-2-1
    --- or ---
    early flower 1-2-1
    mid flower 1-1-2
    ????
    later flower = flush flush

    What arguments are there that one should one be higher than another?
     
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    LRX

    LRX Member

    I made a reply.
     
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    djwinslow

    djwinslow New Member

    Im starting my first grow here in portugal, i know bits but as far as the NPK ratio is concerned i have no clue. I have read up about it and found that different types like different mixtures, like the blue dream i have likes more nitrogen unlike the california kush. So I am looking for a mix that will do well for all. I will add more to the ones i know but i need a general good NPK mix for outdoor grow. I am looking at the atami Bcuzz a + b and a root booster. I dont know if they are any good not, so if anyone knows if they are or not please let me know.
     

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