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kristoffolese
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I dont care WHO agrees with me... Anyone who disagrees & says that Blackdog & Kind LEDs are NOT badass lights, are either uninformed fools, speaking on something they know nothing of, or they have an agenda, an ulterior motive. Blackdog & Kind are ROUTINELY hailed as the best/among the best, LED lights in the world. Educate yourselves before you start hardening your opinions. Timber IS overpriced, JUST LIKE KIND AND BLACKDOG!!! Thats why I am a supporter or HLG's Quantum boards & Rapidled's COB lighting... they will hold your hand & help u put together a custom light to exactly meet tour needs, & they do it at a better price than everyone else. I will admit i can find better prices on meanwell drivers than rapidled, but so what? Then just buy the driver elsewhere. & to those who have worries about assembling their own - u can have it built FOR YOU, for a mere $25 more. I am disabled & retired. I live on a pathetic $750/month, with my girl who makes the same. TRUST ME... I have researched & studied & then researched some more. I have talked directly to company after company, read review after review, from articles out of multiple different sources. Because I HAD to... If money is no issue to you - awesome! Overpay to your heart's content! But my post is meant for those in MY sutuation, who need the absolute MOST bang for their buck.
MMJ Dreaming 99
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I don't think Timber is that over priced. I like HLG but I heard they raised prices a bit. Kind and Black Dog are probably small companies. HLG, Timber Rapid and Cob Kits are probably one or two people companies.
I seriously think that only tiny companies will survive in lights. Colorado is cracking down and was probably one of the biggest markets for lights. The grow supply stores are like ghost towns and SE and DE HPS prices have been dropping because they are notg selling many lights anymore.
A year ago plus a few months I went into a grow store and they had an order on at least 2 pallets of $60,000 or more of Gavitas. Those days are over in Co.. Nevada will not pick up the slack either.
With the qb price raise they're alot less appealing. Basic math still shows Timber is on par/cheaper.
I find it funny all of the "smart guys" arguing for rapid and not going where they should- a true diy will be cheaper if you shop and source. End of story. Beyond that basic math isn't hard of comparing apples to apples, frames etc.
I find it funny all of the "smart guys" arguing for rapid and not going where they should- a true diy will be cheaper if you shop and source. End of story. Beyond that basic math isn't hard of comparing apples to apples, frames etc.
Danielson999
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Why do you continue to argue that Timber is overpriced when their 600w Vero 29 pre-assembled fixture is cheaper than the RapidLed 600w Vero 29 fixture that doesn't come fully assembled?
You're just rambling a bunch of nonsense.
nc208
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Who hails Black Dog and Kind as the best lights? I've only seen those claims on their websites or magazines like High Times who BD and Kind PAY to have that stuff written. There's nothing that stops each company from claiming theirs is the greatest and how everything else sucks.
nc208
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Your comparing two different fixtures here, the timber one comes with 6 cobs versus the Rapidled one which comes with 12, they have different driver setups so both lights are 600w, not quite apples to apples comparison.
If you were to build an Identical kit on RapidLED of the timber 300w kit you would see prices of 399.99 of timber vs. 274.40 on RapidLED for the exact same parts, Plus Rapid LED gives 10% off your first order, so 400 vs 250 is a pretty big price difference.
*This does not include the canopy rails on either system, I picked ones of timbers kits not their framework for easier comparison.*
madininagyal
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Mic drop...
kristoffolese
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Im talking about among their class of lights - yes they are consistently rated at the top. But theyre ridiculously expensive. Search for 3 mins - theres plenty of ppl pulling huge yields with them... if you dont mind paying $1500-$2000
And then if you look you see they're still completely different. Mic drop...
Not sure why this is really that confusing to people.
nc208
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Your missing the point "this rated at the top your speaking of" is made up. That is the point,there is no scientific proof behind those top products lists. They are put together by the magazines or light makers to sell you their light.
nc208
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Care to elaborate? whats completely different about comparing the same products?
I did a comparison between the two sites, and one came out quite a bit cheaper than the other. Of course a heatsink that is active cooled will be different that is passively cooled, why are you bringing this up? I see more people gearing towards passive because of less noise and electricity. Price is on par with a cpu heatsink.
Your comment about DIY is not entirely accurate. One factor you are overlooking is convenience. There's not a lot of one stop shops that will have everything you need so convenience plays a factor I think.
Look at Digikey, and mousser, and Alibaba and so on, lots of those places either don't have stuff in stock, need MOQ, or have to make several orders at mulitple places to get everything you need. Paying 1 shipping price can be cheaper than several.
Yodaweed
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If you are looking for the most bang for your buck stop looking at LEDs, they are the most overpriced per photon of any lighting source besides plasma. They also don't have a great spectrum for growing cannabis unless you are willing to have several supplemental lights.
Because YOU chose to compare different products. Both are passive, but again completely different setups that somehow confuses you.
And yes I did bring up the obvious true diy if people want. But all the "experts" keep trying to compare apples to ornages and still lose based on basic math.
nc208
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I'm only confused by what your trying to say. I didn't compare different ptoducts.
If you look at what is included in the two kits, and price out the parts you'll see the money savings in the heatsink used. Beyond that the cobs aren't mounted, wire is loose, etc. It's not a plug and play but Timber is still the better deal.
You could order a Slate from HLG and probably have a better heatsink then Rapid includes and save $$$. If you are capable enough to assemble fully this is a non issue.
I didn't have the time or tools so I did alot of comparison shopping and always ended up back on Timber. If someone can show truly otherwise, cool. But when you add in what Rapid is selling the prices are damn near spot on and I sure appreciate Timber mounting everything to an assembled frame for me- whether I'm saving or spending an extra $20
You could order a Slate from HLG and probably have a better heatsink then Rapid includes and save $$$. If you are capable enough to assemble fully this is a non issue.
I didn't have the time or tools so I did alot of comparison shopping and always ended up back on Timber. If someone can show truly otherwise, cool. But when you add in what Rapid is selling the prices are damn near spot on and I sure appreciate Timber mounting everything to an assembled frame for me- whether I'm saving or spending an extra $20
nc208
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I think your confused, Rapid Led uses 140mm pin heatsinks or a heatsink sheet. You can ask them to substitute it.
Marky Bluntz
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The best and cheapest light fixture is a DIY. When you buy ready made fixtures you are paying extra for labor. If you can do it yourself why would you want to pay for labor? You pick out the components you want to use, not what a company wants to use.
I personally would never buy a ready made light but if I did I would def go with timber. Their new fixtures that they ship out now are badass. They upgraded the aluminum for the frames and upgraded heatsinks for the COBs.
And to the guy who claims Black Dog and KIND are the best lights, please do some actual research. You will quickly see why that's false.
I personally would never buy a ready made light but if I did I would def go with timber. Their new fixtures that they ship out now are badass. They upgraded the aluminum for the frames and upgraded heatsinks for the COBs.
And to the guy who claims Black Dog and KIND are the best lights, please do some actual research. You will quickly see why that's false.