Bernie Sanders 2020

PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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rkymtnman said:
medicare for all doesnt' do much for preventative care either. we already get premium health care thru my wife, i'm not going to take less care b/c of Bern's policy (that he has no plan to pay for by the way)
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I already have full health coverage for my whole family, paid by my employer. I don't need coverage, but I'd like for everyone in my neighborhood to also have complete health care.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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hanimmal said:
I don't buy it, Bernie got a free pass last debate and Pete is currently in the lead with Delegates after Bernie has been running for 5 years strait, with the Russians helping him out to boot.

You dismissing what I said about free clinics? Also planned parenthood is great for women's health care too.
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There aren't enough free clinics to provide care for all the uninsured citizens in our country.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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PJ Diaz said:
I already have full health coverage for my whole family, paid by my employer. I don't need coverage, but I'd like for everyone in my neighborhood to also have complete health care.
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then you don't know much about how Medicare works. it's hardly complete coverage. most seniors ahve to supplement their Medicare plans to get decent coverage.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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rkymtnman said:
then you don't know much about how Medicare works. it's hardly complete coverage. most seniors ahve to supplement their Medicare plans to get decent coverage.
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I agree that medicare should be better than it is now. My mother seems to be happy with medicare now that she has it.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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rkymtnman said:
it's like we are tag teaming these millennials with the same responses. lmao.
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I have faith in the younger generations ability to do far more than we have, but mostly in the women leading us until millennial women's kids are voting age.

PJ Diaz said:
I already have full health coverage for my whole family, paid by my employer. I don't need coverage, but I'd like for everyone in my neighborhood to also have complete health care.
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Then vote out Republicans and expand Obamacare to 100% of the population, Obama got it to 92% before the Republicans stonewalled it.
PJ Diaz said:
There aren't enough free clinics to provide care for all the uninsured citizens in our country.
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Obamacare would fix this, and is actually the law currently, it just needs to get put back together after the Republicans tried like hell to destroy it.

PJ Diaz said:
I was born in the 70's buddy.
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Then you should understand what the Republicans have been doing to stop all progress since then. The Democrats need to win a Super majority in the Senate, House and Presidency to get anything done. And then keep it for longer than the 2 years each Pesident has done since then.
 
Fogdog

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Buss Relville said:
Agreed. When Warren loses soon and drops out, I will eagerly await her endorsement of Sanders.
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Warren has done nothing wrong. If you want to change how campaigns are financed, change the laws. With her expansion in funding sources, her campaign will have the legs to continue.

Sanders cannot win the presidency. If he wins the nomination, Trump will reign. Though I support her over Sanders, Bernie Bros will not vote for a woman and so she cannot win the nomination. By staying in the race Warren is a patriot for ensuring Sanders cannot win the nomination. She will come to the Democratic National Convention with enough delegates on her side to be the power broker that decides who will win it.

Sanders loses, Democrats win.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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hanimmal said:
I have faith in the younger generations ability to do far more than we have, but mostly in the women leading us until millennial women's kids are voting age.


Then vote out Republicans and expand Obamacare to 100% of the population, Obama got it to 92% before the Republicans stonewalled it.

Obamacare would fix this, and is actually the law currently, it just needs to get put back together after the Republicans tried like hell to destroy it.


Then you should understand what the Republicans have been doing to stop all progress since then. The Democrats need to win a Super majority in the Senate, House and Presidency to get anything done. And then keep it for longer than the 2 years each Pesident has done since then.
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I've never voted republican in my life, and don't plan to start any time soon.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Fogdog said:
Warren has done nothing wrong. If you want to change how campaigns are financed, change the laws. With her expansion in funding sources, her campaign will have the legs to continue.

Sanders cannot win the presidency. If he wins the nomination, Trump will reign. Though I support her over Sanders, Bernie Bros will not vote for a woman and so she cannot win the nomination. By staying in the race Warren is a patriot for ensuring Sanders cannot win the nomination. She will come to the Democratic National Convention with enough delegates on her side to be the power broker that decides who will win it.

Sanders loses, Democrats win.
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I like both Warren and Sanders. If Warren looked like she had a chance to win the nomination I'd consider giving her my vote, but it isn't looking that great for her right now. One thing I do like a bit better about Sanders than Warren is that he seems a bit more steadfast in his values, while Warren seems to be jockeying on her positions throughout her candidacy. She did gain a few point with me in the last debate, going up against McBloomey.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Fogdog said:
Bloomberg is a Republican.
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So was Warren. And Trump changed the Republicans into a cult, Bloomberg has been supporting the Democrats since 2016 for real. He might be flawed candidate, but he is not a Russian plant.

I am still voting Biden. Klobuchar is my 2nd.
 
Fogdog

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hanimmal said:
I don't buy it, Bernie got a free pass last debate and Pete is currently in the lead with Delegates after Bernie has been running for 5 years strait, with the Russians helping him out to boot.

You dismissing what I said about free clinics? Also planned parenthood is great for women's health care too.
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Bernie is going to have to win the nomination outright before the Democratic Convention in order to gain the nomination. With Warren staying in the race, he can't do that. Too funny that Bernie Bros are crying foul over Warren gaming the system against Bernie by accepting PAC money in order to ensure she has enough money stay keep the lights on for her campaign throughout the primaries.

Bernie is gaming the system by following the rules to win the nomination with a minority of delegates. Bernie has only gotten about 25% of the votes in the recently held state caucuses, meaning 75% of Democrats prefer anybody but Bernie. Yet, Bernie is called the front runner. The majority in the Democratic Party -- moderate liberals -- have split their vote between something like 10 candidates. The best result -- a moderate Democrat -- NOT Bloomberg and NOT Bernie, will be arrived at in July.
 
Fogdog

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PJ Diaz said:
I like both Warren and Sanders. If Warren looked like she had a chance to win the nomination I'd consider giving her my vote, but it isn't looking that great for her right now. One thing I do like a bit better about Sanders than Warren is that he seems a bit more steadfast in his values, while Warren seems to be jockeying on her positions throughout her candidacy. She did gain a few point with me in the last debate, going up against McBloomey.
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Bernie isn't a viable candidate against Trump.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Fogdog said:
Bernie is going to have to win the nomination outright before the Democratic Convention in order to gain the nomination. With Warren staying in the race, he can't do that. Too funny that Bernie Bros are crying foul over Warren gaming the system against Bernie by accepting PAC money in order to ensure she has enough money stay keep the lights on for her campaign throughout the primaries.

Bernie is gaming the system by following the rules to win the nomination with a minority of delegates. Bernie has only gotten about 25% of the votes in the recently held state caucuses, meaning 75% of Democrats prefer anybody but Bernie. Yet, Bernie is called the front runner. The majority in the Democratic Party -- moderate liberals -- have split their vote between something like 10 candidates. The best result -- a moderate Democrat -- NOT Bloomberg and NOT Bernie, will be arrived at in July.
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I wasn't paying close attention in 2016, but didn't Hillary Clinton bail him out after the DNC? Wouldn't that be from large donors, making him a hypocrite too?
 
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