average amount of red hairs at harvest?

Discussion in 'Harvesting And Curing' started by mr. green thumb 01, Apr 18, 2009.

    mr. green thumb 01

    mr. green thumb 01 New Member

    so i have been looking at my trichs and waiting for them to change more amber and i was just wondering what the average percentage of red hairs you have at harvest. Are the hairs usually 100% red for optimal harvest time or are some still white. My last harvest I couldn't wait for amber trichs just cloudy and had about 80- 90% red hairs.

    CANinBIZ Well-Known Member

    Well it could depend on what strain you have, on my unknown strain all the hairs stayed bright white and my fire crip plant was covered in red hairs.

    t0k3s Well-Known Member

    Its not the color but the way they appear,they all should be dead and curled up into the calyx.Don't get caught up in colors,its all stages of life not colors you want to harvest it after its completed its growing cycle,but common signs are,the small leaf will be horned up on the edges,the calyxs"the spot where the pistols come out" will be swollen and the plant will appear dead.let it go as long as possible you want it to flush its system and rid itself of nasties and leave you with good taste,don't worry about the bud degrading it takes weeks for that to happen and you will never get close to that point,wait till you see the golden glow, you will know what i mean when you see it check these pictures below.the first one is still very alive the second you can tell has completed its life cycle:weed:

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    mr. green thumb 01

    mr. green thumb 01 New Member

    yea i think I know what your talking about with the glow..is it bad to make them flower too long...i really do like a couch lock retarded feeling buzz...
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    t0k3s Well-Known Member

    let them go as long as you want, you will only get stoned,you do want that right:eyesmoke: Just trust me and let them go until there is no cloudy trichomes left,or very few if that,or let it go until there is none period and you will be smoking FIRE,probably even one hitter quiter but only if you let it finish,and give it plenty of fresh water to flush it real good,chop it one branch at a time so you dont take to much off at one time or so you can sample it after it dries if it smokes like you want finish harvesting if you want to let it go more then thats fine to,or harvest all at once but just let it finsih what ever you do you wont regret itbongsmilie
    mr. green thumb 01

    mr. green thumb 01 New Member

    mannn im so impatient, i hate that! I guess ill let them go a lil longer for more amber. How much longer after cloudy till amber...im so impatient. I heard that amber means the thc has degraded and it will no be as potient. I heard 10% amber or the first sign of amber for highest concentration of thc. Is the high better when there 100% amber?

    frostythesnowthug Well-Known Member

    yes as it depends on the strain and the high youre trying to achieve..
    sativa dominant plants are highin thc but low in cannabinoids..Indicas tend to be lower in thc but higher levels of cannabinoids..

    If you harvest at first signs of amber you will be somewhere close to peak thc level..
    the more amber trichs the lower the thc and higher levels of cbd,cbn etc which will give you that couchlock effect

    Is the high better when 100% amber?? couchlock isnt for everyone, my wife prefers smokin sativas at 100% cloudy, for the high thc head high... i prefer indicas at 50/50% cloudy/amber for a lil head buzz and some pain killing relief/sleep..

    SpruceZeus Well-Known Member

    as frosty put it, it all depends.

    I'm personally of the opinion that 90% of the growers on this site (And probably in general) harvest too early. By letting the plants go a little longer you're ensuring that the've plumped as much as they're going to.
    Despite popular opinion to the contrary(and don't fool yourself, the jury is still out on this one) I hold the belief that a week or two is not going to make the drastic difference in the cannabinoid profile that people are on about. And even if it does, recent studies have shown ;contrary to what was previously believed, that THC itself (And its predecessor THC-A) are quite guilty of causing the confusion and drowsyness associated with burnout and other cannabinoids (our friend CBN, and a handful of others) to be the catylist (along with THC) to being 'high' rather than 'baked'
    Regardless, whether or not theres any substance to the aforementioned study, its easy to get the high you want.
    If you want a soaring 'cerebral' high: Get yourself a tropical sativa that contains a high level of THC-V and grow it until it is ripe.
    If you want the narcotic couchlock stone, grow a rugged indica until its ripe.
    Notice a pattern of growing it until its ripe? Its a really good rule to live by.
    This is a game of patience, i learned early on if you're gonna cut corners (or days) you're better off not doing it at all.
    Do things right and you will thank yourself. and so will your kind buds.
    happy growing friend

    t0k3s Well-Known Member

    So very true,people harvest there plants with cloudy trichomes thinking they will get a sativa type high,its all BS,they are smoking immature resin glands, and immature resin glands give you what feels like a head high but really is a buzz and will wear off quite quick,letting it mature will not hurt anything,and no just becuase the resin glands are amber does not mean they are degraded,thc does not degrade until all resing glands are amber and have converted to cbd's which is weeks after they turn amber,all this crap about harvest early or you will ruin your buds is what i said CRAP,and its steering so many growers into harvesting early and ruining there crops,do your self a favor and give it some patience,everyone knows the feeling of wanting to chop your plants,but thats part of growing,if it comes down to it chop some lower small branches of to test sample it and let the rest go for a few weeks after that so you can at least get good smoke and let them finish:weed:
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    t0k3s Well-Known Member

    Maybe not so much better at 100% amber but more stoney.peak potency is when about 60-70 percent of the trichomes are amber and the rest cloudy thats right around peak potency.50/50 amber and milky is fine also but any less then that will lose potency,the high is based on the strain like you said,harvesting ealry will have no effect on the high it will only give and immature resin glands,which give a buzz like feeling causing people to think they are getting a head high but really are not,until you have smoked pure sativa or pretty close to it you can tell a head high from a buzz like feeling,letting it get amber will not degrade it either its a myth,it takes weeks to get anyware near what people are saying its all hear say "maturity=quality" i think thats gonna be my new quote:weed:bongsmilie
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    SpruceZeus Well-Known Member

    I couldn't have said it better myself. :joint:
    mr. green thumb 01

    mr. green thumb 01 New Member

    yea im definitely going to wait for amber but usually how long after there cloudy untill there amber i just am wondering if I should keep giving them nutes because there 100% cloudy with a seldem seeing amber. I want to give them only water for atleast a week before harvest..
    scottish lad

    scottish lad Well-Known Member

    what a great thread am about the same stage and i have been reading about choping when milky am defo going to wait till 70% amber :)

    great info keep up the gd work .
    Brick Top

    Brick Top New Member

    Maturity equals quality but amber trichomes is not the only definition of maturity. For someone who prefers slightly more of a head high the last thing they want is amber trichomes. They want to harvest when they are milky white. If someone prefers more of a couch-lock stone then amber or mostly amber trichomes is the ticket. But neither is the singular best time to harvest for everyone.

    Once the color begins to darken the THC is breaking down so it is a fallacy that you get higher levels of THC from amber trichomes. What you get is an increased level of CBN and that makes people feel more "messed up" but it isn’t being higher, it is just a different buzz.



    Cannabinoids (THC, CBD, CBN...)

    The Active Ingredients Of Cannabis

    Cannabis products include marijuana, hashish, and hashish oil.
    THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) gets a user high, a larger THC content will produce a stronger high. Without THC you don't get high.

    CBD (Cannabidiol) increases some of the effects of THC and decreases other effects of THC. High levels of THC and low levels of CBD contribute to a strong, clear headed, more energetic high.

    Cannabis that has a high level of both THC and CBD will produce a strong head-stone that feels almost dreamlike. Cannabis that has low levels of THC and high levels of CBD produces more of a stoned feeling. The mind feels dull and the body feels tired.

    CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high.

    CBN levels can be kept to a minimum by storing cannabis products in a dark, cool, airtight environment. Marijuana should be dry prior to storage, and may have to be dried again after being stored somewhere that is humid.

    THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin) is found primarily in strains of African and Asian cannabis. THCV increases the speed and intensity of THC effects, but also causes the high to end sooner. Weed that smells strong (prior to smoking) might indicate a high level of THCV.

    CBC (Cannabichromene) is probably not psychoactive in pure form but is thought to interact with THC to enhance the high.

    CBL (Cannabicyclol) is a degradative product like CBN. Light converts CBC to CBL.

    If you are a grower, you can experiment with different strains of cannabis to produce the various qualities you seek. A medical user looking for something with sleep inducing properties might want to produce a crop that has high levels of CBD.

    Another user looking for a more energetic high will want to grow a strain that has high levels of THC and low levels of CBD. In general, Cannabis sativa has lower levels of CBD and higher levels of THC. Cannabis indica has higher amounts of CBD and lower amounts of THC than sativa. See marijuana strains.

    For a more scientific description, see below for an excerpt from marijuana growers guide by Mel Frank.

    Cannabis is unique in many ways. Of all plants, it is the only genus known to produce chemical substances known as herbal cannabinoids. These cannabinoids are the psychoactive ingredients of marijuana; they are what get you high, buzzed, or stoned. By 1974, there were 37 naturally occurring cannabinoids that had been discovered.

    There are 3 types of cannabinoids:
    --- Herbal: occur naturally only in the cannabis plant
    --- Endogenous: occur naturally in humans and other animals
    --- Synthetic: cannabinoids produced in a lab

    Most of the cannabinoids appear in very small amounts (less than .01 percent of total cannabinoids) and are not considered psychoactive, or else not important to the high. Many are simply homologues or analogues (similar structure or function) to the few major cannabinoids which are listed.

    There are several numbering systems used for cannabinoids. The system used here is based on formal chemical rules for numbering pyran compounds (any of a class of organic compounds of the heterocyclic series in which five carbon atoms and one oxygen atom are present in a ring structure). Another common system is used more by Europeans and is based on a monoterpenoid system which is more useful considering the biogenesis of the compound.

    Tetrahydrocannabinol - THC

    Delta 9-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-9 THC is the main psychotomimetic (mindbending) ingredient of marijuana. Estimates state that 70 to 100 percent of the marijuana high results from the delta-9 THC present. It occurs in almost all cannabis in concentrations that vary from traces to about 95 percent of all the cannabinoids in the sample.

    In very potent strains, carefully prepared marijuana can be 30 percent delta-9 THC by dry weight (seeds and stems removed from flowering buds). Buds are the popular name given to masses of female flowers that form distinct clusters.

    Delta 8-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-8 THC is reported in low concentration, less than one percent of the delta-9 THC present. Its activity is slightly less than that of delta-9 THC. It may be an artefact of the extraction/analysis process. Almost everyone who uses the term THC, refers to delta-9 THC and delta-8 THC combined, as THC.

    Cannabidiol - CBD

    Cannabidiol - CBD also occurs in almost all strains. Concentration range from none, to about 95 percent of the total cannabinoids present. THC and CBD are the two most abundant naturally occurring cannabinoids. CBD is not psychotomimetic in the pure form, although it does have sedative, analgesic, and antibiotic properties.

    In order for CBD to affect the high, THC must be present in quantities ordinarily psychoactive. CBD can contribute to the high by interacting with THC to potentiate (enhance) or antagonize (interfere or lessen) certain qualities of the high.

    CBD appears to potentiate the depressant effects of THC and antagonize is excitatory effects. CBD also delays the onset of the high but can make it last considerably longer (as much as twice as long). The kind of grass that takes a while to come on but keeps coming on.

    Opinions are conflicting as to whether it increases or decreases the intensity of the high, intensity and high being difficult to define. Terms such as knock-out or sleepy, dreamlike, or melancholic are often used to describe the high from grass with sizeable proportions of CBD and THC.

    When only small amounts of THC are present with high proportions of CBD, the high is more of a buzz, and the mind feels dull and the body de-energized.

    Cannabinol - CBN

    Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.

    Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.

    In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.

    Tetrahydrocannabivarin - THCV

    Tetrahydrocannabivarin - THCV or THV is the propyl homologue of THC. In the aromatic ring the usual five-carbon pentyl is replaced by a short three-carbon propyl chain. The propyl cannabinoids have so far been found in some strains originating from Southeast and Central Asia and parts of Africa.

    In one study, THCV made up to 48.23 percent (Afghanistan strain) and 53.69 percent (South Africa) of the cannabinoids found. We've seen no reports on its activity in humans. From animal studies it appears to be much faster in onset and quicker to dissipate than THC. It may be the constituent of one or two toke grass, but its activity appears to be somewhat less than that of THC. Some people use the term THC to refer collectively to delta-9 THC, delta-8 THC, and THCV.

    An interesting note is that people who have a prescription for Marinol (synthetic medical THC) may be tested for THCV. Marinol contains no THCV, if a person tests positive it means they have been using marijuana, or another cannabis product. This is usually sufficient grounds to terminate the prescription of a person who has signed a contract not to ingest any cannabis while taking Marinol.

    Cannabichromene - CBC

    Cannabichromene - CBC is another major cannabinoid, although it is found in smaller concentrations than CBD and THC. It was previously believed that is was a minor constituent, but more exacting analysis showed that the compound often reported as CBD may actually be CBC.

    Relative to THC and CBD, its concentration in the plants is low, probably not exceeding 20 percent of total cannabinoids. CBC is believed not to be psychotomimetic in humans; however, its presence in plants is purportedly very potent has led to the suspicion that it may be interacting with THC to enhance the high.

    Cannabicyclol - CBL

    Cannabicyclol (CBL) is a degradative product like CBN. During extraction, light converts CBC to CBL. There are no reports on its activity in humans, and it is found in small amounts, if at all, in fresh plant material.

    Cannabinoids And The High

    The marijuana high is a complex experience. It involves a wide range of psychical, physical, and emotional responses. The high is a subjective experience based in the individual and one's personality, mood, disposition, and experience with the drug.

    Given the person, the intensity of the high depends primarily on the amount of THC present in the marijuana. Delta-9 THC is the main ingredient of marijuana and must be present in sufficient quantities for a good marijuana high.

    People who smoke grass that has very little cannabinoids other than delta-9 THC usually report that the high is very intense. Most people that don't smoke daily will feel something from a joint having delta-9 THC of 3 percent concentration to material.

    Cannabis products having a THC concentration of 5-10 percent would be considered good, 10-25 percent would be considered very good, and over 25 percent would be excellent quality by daily users standards. In general, we use potency to mean the sum effects of the cannabinoids and the overall high induced.

    Marijuana is sometimes rated more potent than the content of delta-9 THC alone would suggest. It also elicits qualitatively different highs. The reasons for this have not been sorted out. Few clinical studies with known combinations of several cannabinoids have been undertaken with human subjects.

    So far, different highs and possibly higher potency seem to be due to the interaction of delta-9 THC and other cannabinoids (THCV,CBD,CBN, and possibly CBC). Except for THCV, in the pure form, these other cannabinoids do not have much psychoactivity.

    Another possibility for higher potency is that homologues of delta-9 THC with longer side chains at C-3 (and higher activity) might be found in certain marijuana strains.

    Compounds with longer side chains have been made in laboratories and their activity is sometimes much higher, with estimates over 500 times that of natural delta-9 THC.

    The possibility that there are non-cannabinoids that are psychoactive or interacting with the cannabinoids has not been investigated in detail. Non-cannabinoids with biological activity have been isolated from the plants, but only in very small quantities.

    None are known to be psychotomimetic. However, they may contribute to the overall experience in non-mental ways, such as the stimulation of the appetite.

    Different blends of cannabinoids account for the different qualities of intoxication produced by different strains of cannabis. The intensity of the high depends primarily on the amount of delta-9 THC present and on the method of ingestion.

    A complex drug such as marijuana affects the mind and body in many ways. Sorting out what accounts for what response can become quite complex.
    mr. green thumb 01

    mr. green thumb 01 New Member

    man thats a lot of info to take in. My brain is in overdrive. Thanks you guys are genius! Its amazing how much of a science this has come to after all the years. So then according to that you would still want some milky trichs to activate the effects of the amber trichs, so that they work with each other in getting you stoned. crazey stuff mannnn

    t0k3s Well-Known Member

    I have read that but thanks,couch lock?what is that,there's head high and body high but i don't know of a couch lock high.I never said amber means good,i said amber does not mean bad,or degraded,there more then just colors involved in harvest,there will be signs,and changes that you can actually see resin glands go through,the color is just a side effect,and like i said before the people harvesting with cloudy trichomes are harvesting premature bud,i have seen the plants they harvest they are still growing when they get chopped.If you don't like body high then get a full on sativa,harvesting a indica early is pointless,dont grow it if you dont like body highs all plants need to mature to be good quality,thats why they have different strains so you can let it finish and still get the high you want,if your growing bagseed you no choice really its all odds,but if you get a indica dominant plant so what let it finish i though people want to get high not weak buzzes,but thats me i like to be highbongsmilie:eyesmoke:read this thread its all about this topic,premature harvesting is BS dont give into it:twisted:


    chitownsmoking Guest

    not a very good question

    t0k3s Well-Known Member

    It was actually a good question,i saved him from getting mislead into chopping early:weed:

    chitownsmoking Guest

    the outcome of the question may have been good the question though is flawed. because almost all the answers to it wll be diffrent

    t0k3s Well-Known Member

    about 15-20% milky the rest amber,if you want more stonie bud then full amber.

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