Are you American? Well then how would you like an extra billion dollars in YOUR bank?

Egypt May Not Need Fighter Jets,
But The U.S. Keeps Sending Them Anyway






















If you don't want to read, you can listen :)
Just click this link (allow flash to run) press play and listen.

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=209878158&m=210063629



Every year, the U.S. Congress appropriates more than $1 billion in military aid to Egypt. But that money never gets to Egypt. It goes to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, then to a trust fund at the Treasury and, finally, out to U.S. military contractors that make the tanks and fighter jets that ultimately get sent to Egypt.


The U.S. started sending M1A1 Abrams tanks to Egypt in the late '80s. In all, the U.S. sent more than 1,000 tanks to Egypt since then — valued at some $3.9 billion — which Egypt maintains along with several thousand Soviet-era tanks.


"There's no conceivable scenario in which they'd need all those tanks short of an alien invasion," Shana Marshall of the Institute of Middle East Studies at George Washington University, told me.


A thousand tanks would be helpful for large land battles, but not for the threats facing Egypt today, such as terrorism and border security in the Sinai Peninsula, according to Robert Springborg, an expert on the Egyptian military at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif. In fact, he said, at least 200 of the tanks the U.S. has sent to Egypt have never been used.


"They are crated up and then they sit in deep storage, and that's where they remain," he told me.


The story with F-16 fighter jets is similar. Since 1980, we've sent Egypt 221 fighter jets, valued at $8 billion. "Our American military advisers in Cairo have for many years been advising against further acquisitions of F-16s," Springborg said. Egypt already has more F-16s than it needs, he said.


I asked the State Department why the U.S. is giving Egypt weapons against the advice of its own military personnel. (The State Department, along with Congress, gives final approval on the weapons we send to Egypt.) Regarding those unused tanks, an official told me via email, it's not usual for a country to "maintain a portion of its equipment in reserve in the event of security contingencies." The U.S. decides which weapons to send to countries like Egypt "in consultation with our partners' own determination of their strategic and force structure requirements," the email added.


I met with a high-ranking official in the Egyptian military who confirmed that the Egyptian military does request those tanks and fighter jets because it believes they're crucial for Egypt's security. And, he said, "the U.S. wouldn't have given us weapons they didn't want us to have."


The U.S. wants Egypt to have them in part because of people like Bruce Baron, president of Baron Industries, a small business in Oxford, Mich. "The aid that we give to Egypt is coming back to the U.S. and keeping 30 of my people working," Baron told me. Specifically, he said, 30 of his 57 employees are working on parts for the M1A1 Abrams tanks that we give to Egypt.


Every March for the past few years, Baron says, he and other small-business owners have gone to Capitol Hill at the invitation of General Dynamics, a big contractor. They visit their congressmen and "let them know of our support for these programs and also the impact that these programs have on employment," he says.


Former Republican congressman Jim Kolbe often received visits from military contractors like Baron. Before he retired in 2007, Kolbe was the chairman of the appropriations subcommittee that approves the military aid we give to Egypt. But when I talked to Kolbe recently, he said that "legitimate questions need to be asked of the Egyptian military."


"What is the objective of of the military these days? What do you see as the real threat?" he said.


In a perfect world, he said, the U.S. wouldn't be sending more F-16s and M1A1s to Egypt. "I think the Egyptian military needs to be doing more hard thinking about some of those things," Kolbe said. "Big toys are things that generals and military people like to have around."


But, Kolbe said, the State Department doesn't want to upset the status quo, the Defense Department doesn't want to upset a valuable ally in the region, and, of course, defense contractors want to keep their contracts.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/08/08/209878158/egypt-may-not-need-fighter-jets-but-u-s-keeps-sending-them-anyway
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Just pointless spam.....and we all know if you were to had the average person a Million even, clear and free, it will be gone very soon.

No one, including myself, I'm sure, could manage a sudden Billion. If you don't manage it the IRS collects it as tax. If you do jump up and spend the money to hire mangers they will collected it as skim and payola.
 

direwolf71

Well-Known Member
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What's the point of this article? No comment, just a copy and paste... can a mod close this please?

Gee echelon, If you find it so hard to understand the meaning of articles in the Politics forum, perhaps you should find another forum where it is easier for you to understand what's going on, where you're better able to participate in conversation without constantly spamming threads with negative and irrelevant dribble?








Its obvious that this is another one of my threads where the purpose is to help citizens of the USA increase their awareness of how their tax dollars are being spent. Is it not, Echelon?






 
When were the f16s purchased? are you implying with that statement, that giving away fighter jets worth lots of money isn't a waste of tax payers money, because they have already been paid for long ago?
 

echelon1k1

New Member
When were the f16s purchased? are you implying with that statement, that giving away fighter jets worth lots of money isn't a waste of tax payers money, because they have already been paid for long ago?
I really hate having to dumb everything down for the lowest common denominators... This is your thread I'm asking you when they were purchased? also do you know how much one costs to run and maintain? (4th gen multirole fighters: generally 3x the purchase price over a lifetime) not including service life upgrades.

So tell us how much will this save taxpayers considering the F-35 was slated to replace the F-16 and it's variants...
 
Echelon you're a troll, and As I have literally said to you over 5 times, I don't like, nor do I want to chat with you. If you are so smart then you figure out why. Any moron can come in here and call names.
 

sunni

Administrator
Staff member
echelon you're a troll, and as i have literally said to you over 5 times, i don't like, nor do i want to chat with you. If you are so smart then you figure out why. Any moron can come in here and call names.
than stop responding to him.
 

kelly4

Well-Known Member
Echelon you're a troll, and As I have literally said to you over 5 times, I don't like, nor do I want to chat with you. If you are so smart then you figure out why. Any moron can come in here and call names.
I thought you had him on ignore, Highlowski. You've told us numerous times that he was on ignore, and now you're crying in your cornflakes that he responds to you.

What happened to the tough talker who thought he was smarter than everyone here? Why do you talk big, then put people on ignore?
 

kelly4

Well-Known Member
I thought you had him on ignore, Highlowski. You've told us numerous times that he was on ignore, and now you're crying in your cornflakes that he responds to you.

What happened to the tough talker who thought he was smarter than everyone here? Why do you talk big, then put people on ignore?
That was quick, sunni.

Way to be on the ball.:wink:
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
It is like a zit. If we mess with it, it gets worse,

Only when we ignore it will it dry up and disappear.
 
I thought you had him on ignore, Highlowski. You've told us numerous times that he was on ignore, and now you're crying in your cornflakes that he responds to you.

What happened to the tough talker who thought he was smarter than everyone here? Why do you talk big, then put people on ignore?


lol what?.... You know I have you on ignore too, right? Why do you expect me to reply to this when you know this? huh, big talker?

Talk big? me? lol I don't talk big, wtf is that even? talk big? lmao, wait, are you saying that the things I say "Intimidate" you? :mrgreen: Omg I'm doing it now aren't I? I'm talking big Right now, aren't I?
*sigh* Kelly4, I don't negotiate with terrorists so f*** off, ya terrorist!




I have a simple question for you guys. (questions*)

1. Do you disagree with my threads?
2. Why do you disagree with my posts?
3. Do you support terrorism?
4. Would you like it if you died (or someone in your family died) because a bomb was dropped on your house by a drone?
5. Why are you against me?

Grown up answers please.

6. Oh and, what age bracket are you in?
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
lol what?.... You know I have you on ignore too, right? Why do you expect me to reply to this when you know this? huh, big talker?

Talk big? me? lol I don't talk big, wtf is that even? talk big? lmao, wait, are you saying that the things I say "Intimidate" you? :mrgreen: Omg I'm doing it now aren't I? I'm talking big Right now, aren't I?
*sigh* Kelly4, I don't negotiate with terrorists so f*** off, ya terrorist!




I have a simple question for you guys. (questions*)

1. Do you disagree with my threads?
2. Why do you disagree with my posts?
3. Do you support terrorism?
4. Would you like it if you died (or someone in your family died) because a bomb was dropped on your house by a drone?
5. Why are you against me?

Grown up answers please.

6. Oh and, what age bracket are you in?
1. Yes, your threads are purely full of unconstructive critism of a country you have no first hand knowledge of. Also, copying and pasting something with no additional comment is considered spam.

2. I disagree with your posts because of your (retarded) holier than thou sentiment.

3. If the "terrorism" you speak of involves some Arab riding a US bought Hellfire missile up your ass, then yes.

4. Not going to happen cos I don't live in some shit-hole armpit country. (Like Poland)

5. Because you're an arrogant fuck-tard who thinks he's smarter than everyone else but you never follow it up with anything of substance.

6. Old enough to know a piece of shit when I see one, and young enough to be bothered to comment on it.

But apparently you won't see this, cos I'm supposedly on your ignore list...
 
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