Are MMJ patients paying illegal prices?

can.i.buz

Well-Known Member
i work with a group that tries to do exactly that....its not easy but it is possible. don't usually deal in oz though, tends to create greed. but i know people who have and i myself have given away 1/4s and 1/8s to patients in need. when i have extras obviously.:peace:
I've given away plenty too and to date have not shown any profit after 2 years of r & d.
 

pabloesqobar

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Can.i.buz, I'm curious. What do you charge for your MJ? You seemed to agree with the poster that $57 an ounce would be the price if you were complying with the law and truly not for profit. I can't speak to the figures he used, but if correct, would you be fine with $57 an ounce? Remember, what you think is "reasonable" is one thing. However, one thing "reasonable" absolutely cannot be in California, is anything that makes it for profit. I live in SD, and they recently busted 14 dispensaries. I think, in part, some of them were basically for profit establishments. That, and Bonnie Dumanis is a bitch who HATES the fact that MMJ is legal in CA.

What I do know, is that the stuff I purchased on the street was about the same price as the stuff I purchase at the dispensary. We can all agree that the street price reflects a huge profit margin. Then why is the stuff in the dispensary the same price? Because they are making a profit.
 

GrowTech

stays relevant.
Can.i.buz, I'm curious. What do you charge for your MJ? You seemed to agree with the poster that $57 an ounce would be the price if you were complying with the law and truly not for profit. I can't speak to the figures he used, but if correct, would you be fine with $57 an ounce? Remember, what you think is "reasonable" is one thing. However, one thing "reasonable" absolutely cannot be in California, is anything that makes it for profit. I live in SD, and they recently busted 14 dispensaries. I think, in part, some of them were basically for profit establishments. That, and Bonnie Dumanis is a bitch who HATES the fact that MMJ is legal in CA.

What I do know, is that the stuff I purchased on the street was about the same price as the stuff I purchase at the dispensary. We can all agree that the street price reflects a huge profit margin. Then why is the stuff in the dispensary the same price? Because they are making a profit.

Bonnie Dumanis is a little bitch. She should have kept her head under the blanket while those raids were going on because now her own people are turning against her. If you look at her facebook it's full of comments about how she is a fucking idiot, and she is trying to cover up with deleting them.

:dunce:
 

can.i.buz

Well-Known Member
Can.i.buz, I'm curious. What do you charge for your MJ? You seemed to agree with the poster that $57 an ounce would be the price if you were complying with the law and truly not for profit. I can't speak to the figures he used, but if correct, would you be fine with $57 an ounce? Remember, what you think is "reasonable" is one thing. However, one thing "reasonable" absolutely cannot be in California, is anything that makes it for profit. I live in SD, and they recently busted 14 dispensaries. I think, in part, some of them were basically for profit establishments. That, and Bonnie Dumanis is a bitch who HATES the fact that MMJ is legal in CA.

What I do know, is that the stuff I purchased on the street was about the same price as the stuff I purchase at the dispensary. We can all agree that the street price reflects a huge profit margin. Then why is the stuff in the dispensary the same price? Because they are making a profit.
define profit for me. I personally don't think there is any profit in growing ANY marijuana when you factor in the possible jail time. I do it because I love it. As far as how much I charge...I haven't done that yet. Next week. I'm sure it won't be enough to cover my expenses + my risks.
 

slickboy

Member
I meen thats true bt u also have to think about the risks ppl go thru to get it and the time they put into it...i meen....evryone has to pay for quality......its like aww man i want a ferrari they shud sellem for the same price as hondas...i meen like comon...iz it fair......i bet evry 1 disagreein smokes n just wanna get stoned lol tell me im rong??
 

iivan740

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pabloesqobar that $57 per ounce was a base line approximation, reality is closer to or a little over 100 per ounce. You will spend more than 77 hrs caring for your plants for 77 days, you have to be a trimming machine to trim that fast, a master grower will be using advanced techniques such as added CO2 to produce a larger yeild (like the 4 lb), and there is more time and money involved in getting the medication to the patient. Labor costs are not part of profit margin, Labor cost cut into profit, non profit still pays for labor. Yes many non profits have volunteers but I do not know one non profit that doesn't have to pay for labor on some level. To comply with the mandate you would have to keep a detailed expense report on the individual medical grow and price the product based on it's individual grow. Now you need an accountant and trust me the accountant will not work for peanuts, and you need an accountant for legal reasons. Outside oversite looks a lot better than a little black book with expenses written in it, especially to a judge.
If you are brave enough and lucky enough to grow outdoors as 420 says, you could provide at a much reduced rate. I do not believe that even an outdoor grow would go much below that $57 range.
 

pabloesqobar

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pabloesqobar that $57 per ounce was a base line approximation, reality is closer to or a little over 100 per ounce. You will spend more than 77 hrs caring for your plants for 77 days, you have to be a trimming machine to trim that fast, a master grower will be using advanced techniques such as added CO2 to produce a larger yeild (like the 4 lb), and there is more time and money involved in getting the medication to the patient. Labor costs are not part of profit margin, Labor cost cut into profit, non profit still pays for labor. Yes many non profits have volunteers but I do not know one non profit that doesn't have to pay for labor on some level. To comply with the mandate you would have to keep a detailed expense report on the individual medical grow and price the product based on it's individual grow. Now you need an accountant and trust me the accountant will not work for peanuts, and you need an accountant for legal reasons. Outside oversite looks a lot better than a little black book with expenses written in it, especially to a judge.
If you are brave enough and lucky enough to grow outdoors as 420 says, you could provide at a much reduced rate. I do not believe that even an outdoor grow would go much below that $57 range.

Okay, when I go buy pot, how do I know I'm buying pot from a master grower or otherwise? Your scenario also presupposes that every co-op, etc. only use master growers that grow the best pot on the planet using the most cutting edge organic watchamacallit. I don't think that's the case. If an individual co-op agrees amongst its members that they want to have their members spend the most possible on growing to produce the most amazing results, and as a result they all pay more for the product, well, that's their decision I suppose.

"6. Permissible Reimbursements and Allocations: Marijuana grown at a
collective or cooperative for medical purposes may be:
a) Provided free to qualified patients and primary caregivers who are
members of the collective or cooperative;
b) Provided in exchange for services rendered to the entity;
c) Allocated based on fees that are reasonably calculated to cover
overhead costs and operating expenses; or d) Any combination of the above."

I'm fairly confident that legal fees for being arrested for committing a crime cannot be included as overhead. The IRS may take issue with that. I'm also fairly confident that can.i.buz's deal involves a small amount of people. This does not warrant a full time accountant. You maybe could include the cost of hiring an accountant to do your taxes, I don't think my tax guy includes his fee when he calculates my Schedule C. We're talking basic math here. Not the sort of stuff that requires a specialist. The "detailed expense account" is what a business owner does in a small business. That's what I provide my accountant.

I agree it takes some knowledge to grow decent MJ. But it isn't rocket science. Some of it is manual labor, which doesn't fetch a huge wage.

In any event, even with your new figure of $100 an ounce that is still a lot less than what it's going for at all of the dispensaries. I would be stoked if that was the price. Cheers.
 

can.i.buz

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't no but if someone is willing to why would you bitch about it
You missed the whole point. No one that I know is willing to grow for the 100's of thousands of MMJ patients in CA alone for $25 an ounce. People bitch about the high prices because they don't know what's going into those prices and I think they're bitching about the wrong people. First and foremost, we should be bitching about Arnold and his lack of leadership on this issue.
 

opium grower

New Member
You missed the whole point. No one that I know is willing to grow for the 100's of thousands of MMJ patients in CA alone for $25 an ounce. People bitch about the high prices because they don't know what's going into those prices and I think they're bitching about the wrong people. First and foremost, we should be bitching about Arnold and his lack of leadership on this issue.
Stop bitching! That'll be cheap if it goes legal.
 

fdd2blk

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i spent $700 a month for rent. the amps for the building only allowed me to run three 600 watt lights. because the electric bill was already maxed it cos $300 a month to run the room. i pulled 2 pounds in a 3.5 month cycle. i had to buy clones off craigslist at $10 a piece X 40. i had a few already. :wink: i had to purchase pots and soil for 70 plants. i put in about 30 hours a week. when i work i make about $25 an hour.


too early for me to do the math. =-/
 

can.i.buz

Well-Known Member
i spent $700 a month for rent. the amps for the building only allowed me to run three 600 watt lights. because the electric bill was already maxed it cos $300 a month to run the room. i pulled 2 pounds in a 3.5 month cycle. i had to buy clones off craigslist at $10 a piece X 40. i had a few already. :wink: i had to purchase pots and soil for 70 plants. i put in about 30 hours a week. when i work i make about $25 an hour.



too early for me to do the math. =-/
Like you said, I don't know any rich cultivators.
 

figtree

Active Member
Why don't some of you spend a minute and calculate what it costs you to to grow a crop.
i'm paying about 15 to 20 bucks a month for my personal op. used to spend upwards of 200 bucks a month for my meds.
solar panel is an example of thinking outside the box for indoor ops only. and if your spending alot on your op maybe you should think about something to offset it, there are alot of ways to do it. might cost something up front, but so did your grow equipment right? is it paying for itself now? i bet it is.. do the same with your energy needs.
 

figtree

Active Member
FDD, didn't you hear? Air, sun, and water are all free!
air and sun are free, water can be an issue. look at the central valley california right now, freakin dust bowl. but yep outside op for medicinal can be huge and would offset price.

what about recirculating and filtering water to keep that cost down. let alone helping with the draughts we have here in ca. hey save the environment while were at it!
i think its all about how efficient growing, actually this is why i switched from cfl, efficiency.
 

MrFishy

Well-Known Member
Perhaps if/when MMJ is federally legalized, then sincere care-growers might have a chance to offer lowered prices as an example for the pharmaceutical giants to follow.
Until then, it's competition for the same dollar. As long as THEY get away w/single dose products like Actiq lollipops @$20-30 each, retail, where's the incentive?
Hell, everyone knows nice guys still finish last, and are mostly taken advantage of. There comes a time when folks are forced by others to be "less" nice.

This is why I can't/won't be a caregiver. Everybody wants a better deal, and for karma purposes, I refuse to compromise what I know is superior medicine by giving in to whining.
I work hard and indoor growing is almost always a pain in the ass, after 3+ decades.
 

figtree

Active Member
i work with a group that tries to do exactly that....its not easy but it is possible. don't usually deal in oz though, tends to create greed. but i know people who have and i myself have given away 1/4s and 1/8s to patients in need. when i have extras obviously.:peace:
you are a great person! this is the kind of caregiver we need in this world.

isnt it about caring for your fellow human being in need? thats where volunteerism comes from, we need more people willing to help each other even if there is nothing gained except feeling good that your helping.

there are tons of people out there willing to give to charities, or to give you the shirt off your back. its not always about how much you can make. kinda like the healthcare debate right now, people dont want to give up a little to help someone in need even if it means death for that person. but this is another issue,

we need to get away from "i" and look more at "we".
 
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