Are Boosters and Additives Really Necessary?

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO

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unity said:
Can't we have a legitimate conversation here victory?! Like I said I'm too old to be 'jerking off' to my plants, I do not own products with 'sexy girls' on them (you sell them though), I'm not a 'twit' etc. The only reason this threat has gone this direction is because you two are so fucking self righteous and belittling. All I wanted to see is people stating their additives (if they use them) and what their experiance has been. Has there been any comparison grows etc. Can we back any claims up with grow journals etc. Basically,
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I suggest you go back and reread and see who started with the name calling and belittling,
 
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Wetdog

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Harrekin said:
See thats the thing, you and UB didnt actually explain shit. You's rode in on your high-horses, pointed to some generalised farming articles (and UB's apparently "oracle"-like brain), with nothing regarding the cannabis plant specifically and then UB pointed to the very products he was riding me for (high PK flowering nutes/additives)...?!

This is what you (along with many others), haven't got your brain around. Forget *cannabis specific*, that's pretty much bullshit. Generalised farming is pretty much all it is, all it ever was, and all it ever will be. Getting inexperienced growers to believe mj is some sort of special needs plant, needing special nutrients, special water, special whatever, along with a good dose of pixie dust, is what sells all this overpriced shit.

ANYWAY: To the OP, additives are by definition not necessary (if you buy balanced base nutes), but some of them can be helpful (as Im sure some of them are a sham).
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What do you consider additives? Stuff in a bottle to be added to nutes? No, I don't use those, I don't even buy the nutes.

I do add stuff to my soil mix, like Azomite (a rock dust), Mycorrhizae, Humic acid and so on. But, none of these are "apply in the third week of flowering, on a Wed., between 1 and 3, to get maximum effect" sort of deals.

Are these additives? IDK, perhaps. But, I was using them in my *General Farming* long before I decided to grow mj again, and everything is the same for all the 'stuff' I grow. The mj gets nothing special, or anything extra from anything else. It's just a plant.

Wet
 
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insomnia47

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Harrekin said:
So for example my Canna nutes will not work without PK13/14? And PK13/14 doesnt give any improvements when used along with the base nutes, just "average" results?

Got anything to back that up? Anything at all? Any sort of studies? Cannabis nutrient ratios? ANYTHING?

Still waiting on your list of real life "Awesome juice" and "Gigantic bud"...gonna provide that anytime soon? Or anything to back up your arrogant remarks?

And this is exactly what you said btw "what he has been telling you is
A product like dynagro has everything a plant needs for very little money.
other products seperate these complete nutes and put fancy names and pretty girls on the label and say there MJ specific.
you need to buy the whole line and mix it back together to get the same thing you could have got from dynagro.
the additives that work are the ones that are deficient in your base nute. get it?"

Sure fuck it actually, lets just feed Veg nutes the whole way through, do away with bloom nutes altogether, sure all we need is leaves for awesome buds, right?

EDIT: And insomnia47, you finally got my point there! I dont agree with all the bullshit additives that I know are sold every single day, but if something seems reasonable, is cheaply priced, from a HIGHLY reputable company and from hundreds of grow reports seems to give an improvement on yield Im going to try it. Im not however gonna stand for people who automatically say "additives dont work" and Im also at the other end of the spectrum not going to stand for people who tell me "they all work, they are awesome" because thats generalising on something with no proof.
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thats just it man, its all the same 16 elements in different ratios for different growth periods. so you CAN use just 2 different veg nutes with different ratios and acheive the same success. its all in how you apply it to your own garden that makes the difference. doesnt riddlem3 grow with just straight 20-20-20 and get great results, i just saw a post on this by him, cant remember the thread though.

what all the Nute companies are doing are taking this 16 elements putting them in 10 differnt bottle (advanced Nutrients) and telling you when to apply them all. in the end if you compared all the ratios and quantites i bet they are all pretty close to a standard off the shelf agricultural plant food.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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And for the record, a few pages back UB not only told me the PK13/14 would not increase my yields, but he said it would DECREASE it. Im sorry if I called bullshit on that and he eventually ran off with his tail between his legs cos he had no proof to back it up, but spreading blatantly illogical misinformation about a product he'd never heard of before today, let alone used is the reason this site is so full of people with their heads full of fairy stories.

EDIT: And AN are an example of one of the un-reputable nute companies btw, and infact had their stuff pulled in some US states cos they lied on the bottle labels I believe. Canna (but not only them) for example paid to have their shit registered and tested so they could legally sell it in some US states with stricter regulations. See my issue with the generalised "it wont work" or "they're rip-off merchants" comments?
 
VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO

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Harrekin said:
And for the record, a few pages back UB not only told me the PK13/14 would not increase my yields, but he said it would DECREASE it. Im sorry if I called bullshit on that and he eventually ran off with his tail between his legs cos he had no proof to back it up, but spreading blatantly illogical misinformation about a product he'd never heard of before today, let alone used is the reason this site is so full of people with their heads full of fairy stories.

EDIT: And AN are an example of one of the un-reputable nute companies btw, and infact had their stuff pulled in some US states cos they lied on the bottle labels I believe. Canna (but not only them) for example paid to have their shit registered and tested so they could legally sell it in some US states with stricter regulations. See my issue with the generalised "it wont work" or "they're rip-off merchants" comments?
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one of my very first posts said I tried bloombastic in the 6-7th week and it seemed to make the buds bigger and harder, Bloombastic is a 13/14 BTW. Now I use a combo of jack's veg and bloom, veg is 20-20-20,bloom is 10-30-20, The bloom is to low on nitrogen and will cause the plant to yellow if I don't use the veg with it. So my p/k's are already above 13/14, so did the 13/14 really Spike it?
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Yes, it would have, because it wouldve increased the ratio when you added it...what dont you get about that?

EDIT: And they're ratios, you cant just add them up btw, you mix them equally? Two parts bloom, one part veg? Its all relevent to work out your actual ratio of nutes.

EDIT AGAIN: Hold on...now your saying additives work? They did make your buds bigger and harder apparently...I dont honestly know where your coming from anymore. Your the guy whos honest, but sells additives that dont work just cos people want them, and also sells deficient base nutes to go with the additives BUT now the 13/14 formula actually works?!

Your all over the place man.
 
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insomnia47

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i wish some one with a lot of math knowledge and time ( and cared about this nonesense) to put up the ratios of macros and micros in all the AN line lets say, and compare them to jacks
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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insomnia47 said:
so does the blossom booster though, does the same thing as the bloombastic (wich is fuckin 50$ for a vial)
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Well then if you pay $50 for a vial of anything that isnt unicorn blood or cocaine your a tool, and thats how this thread could've helped people. But instead some know-it-alls swooped in and started telling everyone NO additives work, not that we dont need them, but that they actually DO NOT WORK.
 
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unity

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LuniLumi said:
nope loooks like soiless...smart man
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Clearly your brain is all in your dick bro (sorry, cool avatar), but for real don't just come in here to jump on someone elses horse, ride your own. I may disagree with UB on this issue, but I have been around long enough to know that he knows what he is doing.
 
VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO

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Harrekin said:
Yes, it would have, because it wouldve increased the ratio when you added it...what dont you get about that?

EDIT: And they're ratios, you cant just add them up btw, you mix them equally? Two parts bloom, one part veg? Its all relevent to work out your actual ratio of nutes.

EDIT AGAIN: Hold on...now your saying additives work? They did make your buds bigger and harder apparently...I dont honestly know where your coming from anymore. Your the guy whos honest, but sells additives that dont work just cos people want them, and also sells deficient base nutes to go with the additives BUT now the 13/14 formula actually works?!

Your all over the place man.
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Here is where I answer your question, Did I need the bloombastic to spike, NOPE, WHY? because I could have just added more of my 10-30-20 nute and got more of a spike then 13/14
 
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insomnia47

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actually lets talk enzymes, root inoculants, vitamines and growth hormones. anyone use THESE additives? what are your thoughts?
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Harrekin said:
Are you joking me UncleBen? You give me shit for two pages about high P and K ratios, then post a link for a 3-12-6 bloom fert?
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It has N in an excellent formulation - both nitrates and ammonical. Your PK13/14 "product" does not. Now that's bullshit, but since you don't understand the function of a leaf and plant nutrition, it really doesn't matter, does it? I keep beating this dead horse but you're too dense to understand. Personally I don't care what you use.

BTW, I used a high N food on those Trainwreck X Sweettooth shown 2 pages ago, FROM START TO FINISH. My mix started out high in blood meal. That's why the fan leaves are still there at harvest....that's why the fan leaves are a deep green (any of you noobs heard of photosynthesis?) It's also why those colas are large and very dense, BECAUSE THE LEAVE MADE THEM THAT WAY. It's obvious you are a noob that is more focused on popular thought, ads, claims and bottled products as opposed to taking care of your plants' needs. If a plant needs a 21-0-0 during the last 3 weeks during flowering, then that's what you give it. Hanging on to some stupid he-said she-said paradigm...... that you need to give a plant mostly PK during flowering, is pure ignorance and suggests you are a sucker for Canna, Humboldt and Advanced Shysters hype.

The best approach is to give a plant the horticultural industry standard bloom ratio, 1-3-2, until you see a leaf problem developing and then correcting it with a high N food....unless it's too late by then. ;)

UB
 
BeaverHuntr

BeaverHuntr

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I'm using Kool Bloom Dry ripening powder, last grow I just used the liquid kool bloom but I can already see a difference in my buds by adding the Dry Kool Bloom @ week 5.
 
hymem

hymem

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To this point no one has showed up here with a 'smooth' hydro grow while only using the ever so elusive singular product.
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Unity - I have had many complete hydro runs without a single issue using only base nutrients. But it really depends on the medium I use. When I run RDWC my grow is usually near perfect. Only when I run in rockwool do i usually have issues because of salt build up in the medium. When I run Coco I usually dont have the same issues that I have in Rockwool.

IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A PERFECT GROW WITHOUT USING ADDITIVES.
 
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unity

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hymem said:
Unity - I have had many complete hydro runs without a single issue using only base nutrients. But it really depends on the medium I use. When I run RDWC my grow is usually near perfect. Only when I run in rockwool do i usually have issues because of salt build up in the medium. When I run Coco I usually dont have the same issues that I have in Rockwool.

IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A PERFECT GROW WITHOUT USING ADDITIVES.
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Thanks mate, you are actually the only one that gave me some useable info here.
 
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303

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BeaverHuntr said:
I'm using Kool Bloom Dry ripening powder, last grow I just used the liquid kool bloom but I can already see a difference in my buds by adding the Dry Kool Bloom @ week 5.
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BeaverHuntr, Are you running the full GH line and chart? How's mixing the dry kool bloom in your res? I've heard you nearly need a whisk to get it mixed correctly...? Also do you use liquid and dry koolbloom together? Thanks!
 
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