DiyKindaGuy
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So its 705 watts vs 1164 watts thats 459 watts difference... imagine what another 300 led watts would do... so your next grow no hps then.... and were all waittin on the wpg
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Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow
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DANKSWAG
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Except for the final weight number dry led verses dry hid, the lesson I've learned you can pull of a cool light trick called Q10 giving the appearance of a greater yield while failing to bring out the full essence of the fruit in its color and trichome production. If possible next test would be to confirm trichome yield that is after you measure what you consume first.
Anywise thanks for the show, at600 at $2400 is significant, besides the ability to produce fruit of the same quantity or relevantly close too yet better in appearance and possible higher trichome production at less watt cost per cycle.
I am curious how many runs would it take to make up the difference in cost (watt use) alone between this LED and HID?
One would have to calculating the longevity aspect of the HID and replacing bulb due to degradation of bulb to factor in total cost of HID light for the number of run it would take. Assuming the HID would not need to be replaced in the number of runs for watt savings to justify paying $2400 or simply factor in a spare of part of original
cost, plus one has to factor difference in fan wattage cost to keep temps where they need to be.
Just curious do you think the savings could be made up in as little as ten cycles or more?
Thanks for the demonstration, maybe you will be able to due LED to LED comparisons to see which one gives best bang for buck AT600 verses what Hyroot?
DankSwag
Anywise thanks for the show, at600 at $2400 is significant, besides the ability to produce fruit of the same quantity or relevantly close too yet better in appearance and possible higher trichome production at less watt cost per cycle.
I am curious how many runs would it take to make up the difference in cost (watt use) alone between this LED and HID?
One would have to calculating the longevity aspect of the HID and replacing bulb due to degradation of bulb to factor in total cost of HID light for the number of run it would take. Assuming the HID would not need to be replaced in the number of runs for watt savings to justify paying $2400 or simply factor in a spare of part of original
cost, plus one has to factor difference in fan wattage cost to keep temps where they need to be. Just curious do you think the savings could be made up in as little as ten cycles or more?
Thanks for the demonstration, maybe you will be able to due LED to LED comparisons to see which one gives best bang for buck AT600 verses what Hyroot?
DankSwag
Drin King
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Except for the final weight number dry led verses dry hid, the lesson I've learned you can pull of a cool light trick called Q10 giving the appearance of a greater yield while failing to bring out the full essence of the fruit in its color and trichome production. If possible next test would be to confirm trichome yield that is after you measure what you consume first.
Anywise thanks for the show, at600 at $2400 is significant, besides the ability to produce fruit of the same quantity or relevantly close too yet better in appearance and possible higher trichome production at less watt cost per cycle.
I am curious how many runs would it take to make up the difference in cost (watt use) alone between this LED and HID?
One would have to calculating the longevity aspect of the HID and replacing bulb due to degradation of bulb to factor in total cost of HID light for the number of run it would take. Assuming the HID would not need to be replaced in the number of runs for watt savings to justify paying $2400 or simply factor in a spare of part of original
Just curious do you think the savings could be made up in as little as ten cycles or more?
Thanks for the demonstration, maybe you will be able to due LED to LED comparisons to see which one gives best bang for buck AT600 verses what Hyroot?
DankSwag
HPS is the benchmark for growing and has been for years, watch as technology takes its course and slowly but surely HPS is phased out by growers as LED prices drop and technology improves. LED already beats HPS watt for watt and will only get better.
Also he has shown the discount code in a few threads and you could get a at600 for 1999.
DiyKindaGuy
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Yea i dont see the hps tech getting better nor the bulbs are not producing more light... yet led tech continues to increase the watt/lumen ratio... im guessing led tech might max out at 500 lumens a watt but who knows maybe im wrong and its more or less but anxious for the gpw and smoke report... btw have yu ever tested yur thc %????
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You da man green.
Dual arc was the HPS' last hurrah before being phased out by the next evolution in innovation. Dual-arc's will probably sell really well in these next couple years, then it's over; likely phased out like incandescent.
Might take take a few more or less, but it's coming...
Dual arc was the HPS' last hurrah before being phased out by the next evolution in innovation. Dual-arc's will probably sell really well in these next couple years, then it's over; likely phased out like incandescent.
Might take take a few more or less, but it's coming...
Greengenes707
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You might have heard some of the DIY guys talk about LER(luminous efficiency rating). This is the maximum lumens a light can put out per watt...so as if the led was completely 100% efficient at energy in, to light out.
Each nanometer of light has a different LER, because lumens is a weighted system(for human vision). A red 630nm will max out at 190lm...a blue at about 90 and a green 555nm at 683lm...that big difference is what makes lumens such a poor system to use for growing.
Since white led spectrums are made up of basically all the nanometers in different values,
The cree warm whites(3000k) have a LER of about 325lm/w. We haven't talked about warm white quite a bit because of DIY flowering lights. But cool whites LER hasn't been talked about as much, so I can't give a actual number. But it's just a little higher...probably around 340lm/w.
So long story short, when the day comes that LED has maxed out its capabilities...they will be at about 300lm/w I'm thinking. *And not pulse current
Thanks man
The problem with dual arc is the output loss compared to straight hps. That output is yield and the spectrum isn't enough to make up for it. I would like to see them in rotation every other with regular hps, like people do with MH...but DA is better than MH so it would be great...but pricy as all hell.
The tech is here...price is another story, but is coming down slowly.
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fssalaska
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If these Apache LED lights pull at the wall about 780 watts each I don't see a real big savings on electricity versus 1000 watt HIDs set up. And when it comes to replacing high-pressure sodium bulbs I can buy a hell of a lot of bulbs for $2400. I have good ventilation so heat has never been a issue with me so what would be a positive for using a couple of these verses my three 600s?
spazatak
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how much are you paying to initially set up your system which is effectively what you are doing with this light...compared to set up and bulb replacement for (X) amount of years with this light and if you dont think even 300 watts of savings is worthwhile in this type of grow then you must have share in an electricity company,.
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natro.hydro
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Thing is you can multiply the number of panels and you still get the same amount of production, this is the first led I think you can honestly say was built to not be put in a closet....
hyroot
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I don't know where you got 780 watts. Its much lower. With genies discount its $2000 and has a lifetime limited warranty. You are saving over 400w.. Plus 230 watts to vent 1000w. That's an average of $75 a month in savings vs a 1000w. The savings alone will pay for the light in 2 years.. Those mercury bulbs , you will spend another $200 over 2 years.
Greengenes707
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It's a 1000w replacement...so compared to a 600 it could bump the yield...and give you some even higher quality, but wouldn't save anything really. So sound like they are not for you.
For me this round it's 685w vs 1028w=343w savings on light electricity...and I pay $0.36/KwH
The equal or bigger savings comes from cooling. It's LED: 40w/hr...HPS:135w/hr. Doesn't sound like much but the percentages that the difference represents is a significant difference.
The other thing is that this round I barely managed my temps, and the 1000w was the culprit for most of the heat. If my setup were to not change at all(so 4x8 led/hps) I would for sure need an AC. That is another 800+w and more cost up front. I just was looking at HD today. $399 for 10,000BTU(800w). Then if I were to be all hps in my setup that would be a must.
With all led I don't need that. My 135w inline is more than enough of the whole room full of apaches. I know, I had it setup that way when I built it.
For major operations led's will be a substantial decrease in cooling cost. And the 30% in lighting. They save me and others quite a bit of money over some time.
If you are in alaska heating is probably more an issue than cooling. Hps is a light and heater in one. But sounds like your setup is doing just fine for you.
SupraSPL
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Wow I didn't realize it was that high already, almost Hawaiian prices. LEDs time may come sooner than I thought.
foreverflyhi
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Yup thats whys its important to find ways to lower amps on DIY leds to make em more efficent!
Greengenes707
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Yep...it's a fucking joke. Commercial is the way to go, but I was told by the boss lady I have to stay in the real world these days. No more crazy plans...maybe when it's fully legalized.
I have looked into solar...I would need about 3K worth. Expensive just like all the rest of the things I want.
240v...
Specs sheet says no, but my wattage meter says yes.
DiyKindaGuy
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Yes solar will be my next project start with smaller panels and work my way up... i know the broken or cracked panels have a discount but im not sure if once they are working do they generate enough to be considered effecient per dollar
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canadian1969
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Just as an added note, heating your grow space with HPS is very expensive compared to alternatives. Agribusiness around this area have figured this out and started to make changes; and our electricity costs are very low, (off peak 7 cents CAN). Just pointing out that even in cool climates it makes economic sense to change. Particularly if you are both saving money and increasing yield. Sort of a no brainer.