Anyone have information about the geoengineering over california?

Dr Kynes said:

calling you a conspiracy nut is now racist...

good to know.

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Not "racist," but detrimentally prejudiced and discriminatory.

And it's not just me, it's everyone who realizes the 9/11 Commission Report is bullshit, and is extremely disturbed by the squirming, evasion, and blatant omission of important facts, as well as the perpetual refusal to answer valid questions, while hiding behind the "because national security" veil... as if truthfully answering the important questions will "compromise national security" and "allow the terrorists to attack us more."

The irony is: "national security" really means "security of the conspiratorial government agencies and elites controlling the nation (not the populace)" and the "terrorists" are not the ones overseas, being shown on TV... they're our own government. So of course, telling us the truth, may indeed "compromise their security (from us)" and "get us attacked by terrorists."

I just don't see... if the real truth is NOT THAT... how revealing it could possibly result in us being in more danger from a threat even greater than our evil government.

How would telling us the truth, the whole truth, the real truth, make it any easier for the boogeymen to attack us? I don't understand how knowing the truth would make any of us MORE vulnerable than imposed ignorance (by preventing the truth from being fully disclosed, therefore reducing our knowledge of the enemy, and impeding our ability to prepare to encounter it).

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How about i turn their own tactics against them?

"If they have nothing to hide, they won't mind allowing full access to all available information, including everything they wish to keep private."

Knowledge is power. To limit the knowledge of the populace, is to limit their power.

Why would the government be afraid to empower their own populace?

Do they have reason to fear us?

Judging by all the militarized police and draconian laws, and perpetual abuse of innocent citizens... it would certainly seem so.

reasonevangelist said:

How about i turn their own tactics against them?

"If they have nothing to hide, they won't mind allowing full access to all available information, including everything they wish to keep private."

Knowledge is power. To limit the knowledge of the populace, is to limit their power.

Why would the government be afraid to empower their own populace?

Do they have reason to fear us?

Judging by all the militarized police and draconian laws, and perpetual abuse of innocent citizens... it would certainly seem so.

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still no evidence, not one citation of a source, and still no proof that the manifold conspiracies upon which you hang your claims actually exist.

talking in circles is the tactic of crypto-marxists and conspiracy loons selling their mad agendas

and of course you, but youre different right?

Dr Kynes said:

still no evidence, not one citation of a source, and still no proof that the manifold conspiracies upon which you hang your claims actually exist.

talking in circles is the tactic of crypto-marxists and conspiracy loons selling their mad agendas

and of course you, but youre different right?

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Do i have an agenda? If so, what is it?

I thought i just didn't like what "the elites" do to people, nor the fact that most people simply just go along with whatever, which facilitates the problems... and that should change.

Or maybe everyone deserves to be abused, exploited and oppressed?

I don't even know what a crypto-marxist is.

And i'm not saying supernatural shape-shifting lizard demons are coming through portals to trick our leaders into tricking us into doing the bidding of these beings... or whatever "those people" think is happening. I'm not even talking about "fake planes" or "pods."

I just don't like being lied to and exploited, and i don't like that such exploitation is facilitated by others who prefer to pretend it isn't happening, while going along with it because it's just easier that way... while also treating those of us who don't want to go along with it, as if we are the enemy. We are only the enemy of their false constructs and comforting illusions. And that's why people like you, treat people like me, like this.

What do you think would happen if those illusions were removed?

reasonevangelist said:

Do i have an agenda? If so, what is it?

I thought i just didn't like what "the elites" do to people, nor the fact that most people simply just go along with whatever, which facilitates the problems... and that should change.

Or maybe everyone deserves to be abused, exploited and oppressed?

I don't even know what a crypto-marxist is.

And i'm not saying supernatural shape-shifting lizard demons are coming through portals to trick our leaders into tricking us into doing the bidding of these beings... or whatever "those people" think is happening. I'm not even talking about "fake planes" or "pods."

I just don't like being lied to and exploited, and i don't like that such exploitation is facilitated by others who prefer to pretend it isn't happening, while going along with it because it's just easier that way... while also treating those of us who don't want to go along with it, as if we are the enemy. We are only the enemy of their false constructs and comforting illusions. And that's why people like you, treat people like me, like this.

What do you think would happen if those illusions were removed?

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still not a single citation...

"And that's why people like you, treat people like me, like this."

such a special snowflake.

life must be so hard for you, as you apparently suffer from a self-diagnosed Logic Dysphoria, and nobody recognizes the validity and importance of your OtherKinness

Dr Kynes said:

still not a single citation...

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Why demand from me, what you refuse to produce?

This is reminiscent of how creationists demand completely 100% absolute accurate explanation of every single detail related to the process of evolution, prior to even considering that it may be correct, and if you can't fully explain 100% of everything that has ever happened, then to them, that must mean their ridiculous "bible" must be completely correct.

Your kind will henceforth be known as "conspiracy deniers."

There is no reasonable doubt that a conspiracy occurred. The only parts in question are who conspired, and how they did it. This part is "above my pay grade." I'm not equipped to teach it, only to understand well enough to have no other choice but to assume that whatever makes the most sense, must be correct, in the absence of direct answers from those who have been repeatedly asked about significant omissions and deceptions surrounding that series of events.

But, like evolution deniers, since i can't give you absolutely 100% all of the details, you decide it's not worth considering as anything other than insultingly foolish. (even though i'm not sure why anything i may think, even matters to you...)

Alright dude, i have a serious question:

Which sources of information am i allowed to consider credible and reliably valid? Do you have a list?

I don't want to make the mistake of citing information from a source you'll automatically reject prior to considering the actual material (just as i would admittedly reject anything you might cite from the BS commission report, unless to use the gov't's own words against them... which has been done to death already, but people seem to forget that part...)

Dr Kynes said:

still not a single citation...

"And that's why people like you, treat people like me, like this."

such a special snowflake.

life must be so hard for you, as you apparently suffer from a self-diagnosed Logic Dysphoria, and nobody recognizes the validity and importance of your OtherKinness

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So do i have a problem understanding logic, or a problem citing sources for my facts?

Oh, and, memes and comics aren't exactly "credible sources" either. Thanks to the internet, i've encountered at least a few handfuls worth of individuals who seem quite conscious, and only minimally confused about the realities of the world.

it's not that i think people "aren't thinking," but that i think they're intentionally blocking out the most unpleasant parts. And why wouldn't they? That's what typically happens when people become aware of things they can't change: they try not to think about it. And with all these wonderful modern toys, especially those which facilitate the propaganda most effectively, it's really easy for the government to "fool enough of the people, enough of the time," and rely on the outliers like myself to be ostracized by the prevailing attitudes (engineered) of people who would prefer to pretend the world isn't so terrible.

you have demanded no citation from me, and no citation can be produced which proves a negative.

as the claimant it is your responsibility to support your assertion or STFU.

i am not gonna provide you with a list of the conspiracy bullshit i find convincing (cuz there is none), YOU should provide ME with a list of the shit YOU think is relevant and compelling.

thats how this works.

reasonevangelist said:

So do i have a problem understanding logic, or a problem citing sources for my facts?

Oh, and, memes and comics aren't exactly "credible sources" either. Thanks to the internet, i've encountered at least a few handfuls worth of individuals who seem quite conscious, and only minimally confused about the realities of the world.

it's not that i think people "aren't thinking," but that i think they're intentionally blocking out the most unpleasant parts. And why wouldn't they? That's what typically happens when people become aware of things they can't change: they try not to think about it. And with all these wonderful modern toys, especially those which facilitate the propaganda most effectively, it's really easy for the government to "fool enough of the people, enough of the time," and rely on the outliers like myself to be ostracized by the prevailing attitudes (engineered) of people who would prefer to pretend the world isn't so terrible.

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YOU HAVE CITED NOTHING

you have offered no facts, only opinions, opinions which have been demolished again and again in other threads.

if you have some evidence to support your claims of conspiracies, present it.

even if your evidence is bullshit, it's better than completely unsupported flatulence

Actually... you've already proven the null hypothesis, in that it would be futile for me to cite anything, because you've already decided what to believe, which means only the facts that can be made to support your position, will be allowed relevance. Everything else (including the contrary stuff) will be relentlessly denied, no matter what i say or cite, until a time may come when you become unable to continue denying it.

Persuasion only works on the willing, and only when they are able to scrutinize their own conclusions without bias.

It's clear to me that you like what you think, enough that you won't let anything change it... so go ahead and keep it. Maybe it's better to not know; or at least remain able to tell yourself otherwise.

reasonevangelist said:

Not "racist," but detrimentally prejudiced and discriminatory.

And it's not just me, it's everyone who realizes the 9/11 Commission Report is bullshit, and is extremely disturbed by the squirming, evasion, and blatant omission of important facts, as well as the perpetual refusal to answer valid questions, while hiding behind the "because national security" veil... as if truthfully answering the important questions will "compromise national security" and "allow the terrorists to attack us more."

The irony is: "national security" really means "security of the conspiratorial government agencies and elites controlling the nation (not the populace)" and the "terrorists" are not the ones overseas, being shown on TV... they're our own government. So of course, telling us the truth, may indeed "compromise their security (from us)" and "get us attacked by terrorists."

I just don't see... if the real truth is NOT THAT... how revealing it could possibly result in us being in more danger from a threat even greater than our evil government.

How would telling us the truth, the whole truth, the real truth, make it any easier for the boogeymen to attack us? I don't understand how knowing the truth would make any of us MORE vulnerable than imposed ignorance (by preventing the truth from being fully disclosed, therefore reducing our knowledge of the enemy, and impeding our ability to prepare to encounter it).

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As to the bolded, agree 100%

I am quite skeptical of 9/11 also, don't feel alone.

NoDrama said:

I am quite skeptical of 9/11 also, don't feel alone.

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After reading the commissions findings, i had more questions than i got answers from all 567 pages of their report