Any idea what the issue is?

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    JediKnights Well-Known Member

    Growing 2 amnesia AF in 3x4x6 closet grow under 3 100w cfl atm then switching too 2 -300w dimmable LED's. These 2 seeedling are in seed starter miracle grow and perlite mix under 18/6 cycle temp 77-80 F' RH -60%. Any ideas what they are going through atm and how to fix.

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    chiqifella Well-Known Member

    nice, they need a better soil? mg products can work but difficult for some.
    maybe better drainage/watering habits/transplant would do the job.
    something like happy frog, organic potting soil with perlite mixed in, even pro mix by itself.
    you'll need to begin feeding it after it settles in the transplant. seems to be a watering/nutrient issue imo
    be good to hear others using mg seed starter mix
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    JediKnights Well-Known Member

    Yea i have only watered these once with a rooting nute and RO water. Ill be transplanting these into FFSF but was not planing on doing that till i seen a good root field in solo cup. You think i should go ahead and Transplant asap and see if they change?

    chiqifella Well-Known Member

    ff products are the last I would suggest. but yes, transplant and water only until they perk up.

    4(207) Well-Known Member

    The issue is the soil. It's much better to use a soilless mix that is sterile or at least natural/ nutrient free. I use pro mix bx or hp. You will not regret the switch. Happy growing!
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    JediKnights Well-Known Member

    Whats wrong with Fox Farm?

    Corso312 Well-Known Member

    You have drainage holes in those cups? That soil looks way too wet.
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    JediKnights Well-Known Member

    Yes big holes in bottom i just watered it for second time yesterday.

    Budzbuddha Well-Known Member

    Soil looks overwatered ...
    At this stage roots have probably circled the bottom .
    MG is fertilizer loaded ( and burns easily ) due to the CFR ( controlled release fertilizer ) which it does at every watering. Yes you can grow weed in it for the most part , but a light mix would have been preferred to the emerging seedlings.

    As mentioned a lighter soilless mix is a good option ( PROMIX / Sunshine 4 , etc )
    That way you can dial in a feed instead of dumping on soil with charged fertilizer.
    FFOF is okay mostly , as it has pretty much the kitchen sink amended within it.
    It can carry a plant for a good 5 weeks on its own with just water , before some of it begins to tap out.

    I would up pot those into their final containers ...
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    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    Don't water. Let them dry out. It encourages root growth. That's what's wrong. That seed starting stuff is a pain in the ass. It holds water. Not only that it goes from wet to dry fairly quick when it finally dries. It then doesn't want to take water.

    With autos you want to plant straight to final pot.
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    chiqifella Well-Known Member

    gotta wonder why
    newbies with issues often are using ff and miracle grow products.
    and why they often choose those two products to begin growing with.
    google "rollitup, plant problems, foxfarm"

    Fubard Well-Known Member

    People and "how to grow" sites tell them they MUST use the likes of FF, I guess that's why that brand keeps cropping up.
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    Organic Altruism Active Member

    MiracleGro too hot for young cannabis seedlings. (Or at any point in the plants life IMO. Fuck MiracleGro). In addition, you shouldn't be giving them any form of nutrients until they've completed there second node set. And even then, start diluted. As stated above, try growing seedlings in sunshine mix #4, Happy frog, or PROMIX.

    JediKnights Well-Known Member

    Only reason i was using MG with my seedling is because it was recommended by the seed bank i bought the seeds from. As far as using Fox Farm soil i have used pure Coco in past and wanted to try something new so i am trying out the new Fox Farm line Strawberry Fields which has a descent amount of Coco in it. You live and learn i have listened to all of your suggestions and will adjust accordingly to what i experience with this grow. As far as the girls they have been transplanted into their home pots "5 Gallon cloth" and we will see how they respond i really appreciate all the feedback and look forward to future conversations.

    chiqifella Well-Known Member

    name of seedbank that suggests using miracle grow products to grow weed please?

    JediKnights Well-Known Member

    ILGM suggested starting the seeds in MG seed starter not growing in it till end per say.

    When you get your seeds, read this pdf for germination instructions:
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    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    He said it was mg seed starter. Should be inert.

    I don't recommend miracle grow because they don't remove heavy metals. Other than that, salt is salt. Miracle grow has the same salts as any other product just not as clean.

    It will grow pit all day long. The trick to growing in the time release stuff is keeping it on the dry side.

    I mainly grow organic. Mainly because we had a mini farm and access to horse, cow and chicken manure. Rabbit manure now. Rabbit manure is gold and can use fresh.

    I have a worm bin and compost pile.

    I build my own soil.

    Get a big bale of promix or other inert peat base. Add worm castings, a bag or fresh compost. You can ad that fox farms or other coco product. Get a bag of Espoma garden tone. Less than 10 bucks for 8 pounds. Mix a couple cups i.

    You can run start to finish water only like that. Add a handful of castings and a bit of garden tone once a month.

    Good to go. Just remember if using soil that has nutrients in it to not feed for a while.

    Just let what you have now dry out and they will recover.

    JediKnights Well-Known Member

    Thank a bunch White i am by far a pro at this i have grown two crops indoors in my lifetime and both grows were clone grows i am not familiar with from seed grows so this is a learning process for me i appreciate all the help i can get. As far as making my own soil i am on a strict budget being disabled. I am a newb micro grower so buying a bag of soil is much easier and cheaper for me but i will definitely take in consideration your recipe and what it cost me on the next AF i start.
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    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    Save that old soil and as you get enough you just get a couple rubber maid totes. You can cook one batch of soil while the other cooks.

    This garden tone is eight pounds for less than ten bucks.
    That's enough for many grows. It goes long ways.

    Here is a brand of peat base with perlite. 4 cubic feet and compressed. Equal to ten bags of soil when broken up and watered. 35 bucks at a nursery.
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    Its similar to promix. Mix equal parts of the fox farm after your first run. Get a bag of compost for a few bucks and a bag of worm castings for 10 bucks. Good organic soil on a budget.

    Check this book out. People even have worm farms in apartment. Like in a foot stool. Worm castings is worth its weight in gold for good plants.
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    This is a good book to learn organics.
    This is down to earth all purpose organic dry fert. It has all the best stuff like kelp and alfalfa meal. Good stuff. 20 bucks for a big box. That 6 pound box was 10 or so bucks.
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    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    If nothing else get the bale of this or something similar.
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    Get a hold of dynagro and for less than 20 bucks you get sample pack with a quart of foliage pro, quart of protekt, pint of bloom, pint of mag pro and a pint of rooting hormone.

    That's would last quite a few grows.

    Call or email for a sample pack. I got one for about 18 bucks.
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