Americans Are Beginning to Understand the Left

ViRedd

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Americans Are Beginning to Understand the Left

Tuesday, July 21, 2009

By Dennis Prager


There is only one good thing about the Obama administration's attempts to nationalize most health care and to begin to control Americans' energy consumption through cap-and-trade: clarity about the left. These attempts are enabling more and more Americans to understand the thinking and therefore the danger of the left.

The left has its first president -- with the possible exception of Franklin Delano Roosevelt -- and for the first time controls the Democratic Party and both houses of Congress. In the name of compassion for the sick and the poor and in the name of preventing worldwide environmental catastrophe, it is attempting to remake America.



In so doing some principles of the left are becoming clearer to more Americans:
Principle One: The left, as distinct from traditional liberals, is not, and has never been, interested in creating wealth. The left is no more interested in creating wealth than Christians are in creating Muslims or Muslims in creating Christians. The left is interested in redistributing wealth, not creating it. The left spends the wealth that private enterprise and entrepreneurial risk-taking individuals create.


The left does not perceive that poverty is the human norm and therefore asks, "Why is there poverty?" instead of asking the economic question that matters: Why is there wealth? And the obvious result of the left's disinterest in why wealth is created is that the left does not know how to create it.


Principle Two: The reason the left asks why there is poverty instead of why there is wealth is that the left's preoccupying ideal is equality -- not economic growth. And those who are preoccupied with equality are more troubled by wealth than by poverty. Ask almost anyone on the left -- not a liberal, but a leftist like Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi -- which society they consider more desirable, a society in which all its members were equally lower middle class or one in which some were poor, most were middle class, and some were rich (i.e., America today). And whatever they say, in their hearts, the further left they are the more they would prefer the egalitarian society.


Principle Three: The left everywhere seeks to make as big and powerful a state as possible. It does so because only the state can redistribute society's wealth. And because only a strong and powerful state can impose values on society. The idea of small government, the American ideal since its inception, is the antithesis of the left's ideal.

The cap-and-trade bill's control of American energy and the "ObamaCare" takeover of American health care will mean an unprecedented expansion of the state. Added to increased taxes and the individual becomes less and less significant as the state looms ever larger. Americans will be left to decide little more than what they do with vacation time -- just as Western Europeans do. Other questions are largely left to the state.

Principle Four: The left imposes its values on others whenever possible and to the extent possible. That is why virtually every totalitarian regime in the 20th century was left-wing. Inherent to all left-wing thought is a totalitarian temptation. People on the left know that not only are their values morally superior to conservative values, but that they themselves are morally superior to conservatives. Thus, for example, the former head of the Democratic Party, Howard Dean, could say in all seriousness, “In contradistinction to the Republicans, we don't think children ought to go to bed hungry at night.”

Therefore, the morally superior have the right, indeed the duty, to impose their values on the rest of us: what light bulbs we use, what cars we drive, what we may ask a prospective employee, how we may discipline our children, and, of course, how much of our earnings we may keep.
It is dishonest to argue that the right wants to impose its values to anywhere near the extent the left does. This can be demonstrated to a fifth-grader: Who wants more power -- those who want to govern a big state or those who want to govern a small state?

The president of the United States and the much of the Democratic Party embody these left-wing principles. Right now, America's only hope of staying American rather than becoming European lies in making these principles as clear as possible to as many Americans as possible. The left is so giddy with power right now, we actually have a chance.
 

ilkhan

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The Left is over-reaching they may well shoot themselves in the foot.
However the Right still has good 'ol Bush/Chenny tied 'round their necks.
So long as the so called Right embrases the Warfare state,
They will be hard pressed to beat the Dems.
If the Republicans want to win they know where the peace canidates office is.

Sorry just the plain 'ol truth the way I see it.
 
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Illegal Smile

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There, I fixed it for you.
Depends on how you get to no war. The fastest route away from your brand of peace is to allow conflicts to fester over decades and generations while outside powers fan the flames for their own political and economic benefit. it might be distasteful to admit, but wars tend to advance society and the human condition. Especially when the good guys win.
 

CrackerJax

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That's a perfect case of being naive.

Believing in the possibility of no wars is to deny human nature. Like living with blinders on.

Inherent projection of weakness precedes wars. Unable to deal with actual human nature, liberals wish to "change" human nature. One problem which is becoming very apparent is this mindset stops at our borders. The barroom tactics of Chicago don't work when the President doesn't have his opponents under his thumb already. They simply ignore him after he makes a fool out of himself in public and on the record. Putin and ilk are popping champagne corks all over Moscow. Obama is a true gift of ideals and incompetence.

Obama and lib's project their weakness and are constantly surprised when it all back fires.

The fact that the EU came out and nudged Obama IN PUBLIC to send troops to Afghanistan is both laughable and sad. It's like back in 12th grade, the school quarterback sits next to the class nerd and he's struggling to not get sidelined by his grades. The 90 lb. weakling has to sit next to him and whisper the answers..... :roll:

It's embarrassing......
 

jeff f

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Putin and ilk are popping champagne corks all over Moscow. Obama is a true gift of ideals and incompetence.
i am not so sure thats incompetence. i am starting to believe that is the model he is shooting for, soviet style. i hated him less when i thought he was stupid.....
 

medicineman

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Americans Are Beginning to Understand the Left

Tuesday, July 21, 2009

By Dennis Prager


There is only one good thing about the Obama administration's attempts to nationalize most health care and to begin to control Americans' energy consumption through cap-and-trade: clarity about the left. These attempts are enabling more and more Americans to understand the thinking and therefore the danger of the left.

The left has its first president -- with the possible exception of Franklin Delano Roosevelt -- and for the first time controls the Democratic Party and both houses of Congress. In the name of compassion for the sick and the poor and in the name of preventing worldwide environmental catastrophe, it is attempting to remake America.



In so doing some principles of the left are becoming clearer to more Americans:
Principle One: The left, as distinct from traditional liberals, is not, and has never been, interested in creating wealth. The left is no more interested in creating wealth than Christians are in creating Muslims or Muslims in creating Christians. The left is interested in redistributing wealth, not creating it. The left spends the wealth that private enterprise and entrepreneurial risk-taking individuals create.


The left does not perceive that poverty is the human norm and therefore asks, "Why is there poverty?" instead of asking the economic question that matters: Why is there wealth? And the obvious result of the left's disinterest in why wealth is created is that the left does not know how to create it.


Principle Two: The reason the left asks why there is poverty instead of why there is wealth is that the left's preoccupying ideal is equality -- not economic growth. And those who are preoccupied with equality are more troubled by wealth than by poverty. Ask almost anyone on the left -- not a liberal, but a leftist like Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi -- which society they consider more desirable, a society in which all its members were equally lower middle class or one in which some were poor, most were middle class, and some were rich (i.e., America today). And whatever they say, in their hearts, the further left they are the more they would prefer the egalitarian society.


Principle Three: The left everywhere seeks to make as big and powerful a state as possible. It does so because only the state can redistribute society's wealth. And because only a strong and powerful state can impose values on society. The idea of small government, the American ideal since its inception, is the antithesis of the left's ideal.

The cap-and-trade bill's control of American energy and the "ObamaCare" takeover of American health care will mean an unprecedented expansion of the state. Added to increased taxes and the individual becomes less and less significant as the state looms ever larger. Americans will be left to decide little more than what they do with vacation time -- just as Western Europeans do. Other questions are largely left to the state.

Principle Four: The left imposes its values on others whenever possible and to the extent possible. That is why virtually every totalitarian regime in the 20th century was left-wing. Inherent to all left-wing thought is a totalitarian temptation. People on the left know that not only are their values morally superior to conservative values, but that they themselves are morally superior to conservatives. Thus, for example, the former head of the Democratic Party, Howard Dean, could say in all seriousness, “In contradistinction to the Republicans, we don't think children ought to go to bed hungry at night.”

Therefore, the morally superior have the right, indeed the duty, to impose their values on the rest of us: what light bulbs we use, what cars we drive, what we may ask a prospective employee, how we may discipline our children, and, of course, how much of our earnings we may keep.
It is dishonest to argue that the right wants to impose its values to anywhere near the extent the left does. This can be demonstrated to a fifth-grader: Who wants more power -- those who want to govern a big state or those who want to govern a small state?

The president of the United States and the much of the Democratic Party embody these left-wing principles. Right now, America's only hope of staying American rather than becoming European lies in making these principles as clear as possible to as many Americans as possible. The left is so giddy with power right now, we actually have a chance.
Just what is so bad about being european. The euros can come here with their Euros and get 1.60 for them. That allows them to have a great American Vacation. If the Americans want to go to Europe, they get like .60 cents for their dollar. Seems like the euros are at an advantage. Plus the standard of living in Europe is going up, while ours is going straight into the toilet, Go figure. Bad to be European, not at this time.
 

CrackerJax

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i am not so sure thats incompetence. i am starting to believe that is the model he is shooting for, soviet style. i hated him less when i thought he was stupid.....
The problem is try telling the Russians the cold war is over. It isn't for them.... they are making vast leaps forward on Obama's naivete.


The dictators are playing Obama like a fiddle..... it's going to get ppl killed in the end.
 

ilkhan

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Look we are dealing with Sovreign nations.
Who see us as a global bully.
Throwing our weight around the world.
Nobody likes a bully.
So they are trying to prepare to defend themselves.
So they can at least come to the table without seeming weak.

"Conservatives" forget spreading democracy through force
is an invention of the progressives.
We prop up dictators around the world and have sence WWII.
We overthrow their governments and starve their people with embargos.
We galvanize the populace in places like Iran against us.

How do you win a war when the "enemy" simply waits for you to go?
How do you win a war when the people there don't care one way or the other?

What happened to "No Nation Building."
What happened to "No Policing the world."
Conservatives have forgotten their roots
and embrased mindless militarism.

"Conservatives" Squeal day and night about a strong national defence.
Spending around a trillion dollars a year nation-building and world policing.
Spreading our troops around the world, protecting (IMO) corprate intrests.
They will talk a good talk about smaller government but greatly expand it.

We can't afford our overseas adventurism anymore then we can universal healthcare.
Bring home ALL the troops from everywere.
Cut the military budget to 420 billion (3% of GDP, still 5 times that of Chinas military budget)
If we cut now we may be able to save the programs people have come to rely on.

But as long as the right wants trillions for war
and the left wants trillions for BS programs
We will just fall deeper into debt.
Jobs will continue to flee the country.
We will end up in an economic death spiral.

I've said it before if the Republicans want to win.
They need to embrace their past values
of peace and fair trade with all nations.
Stop treking around the world looking for monsters to slay.
We have plenty of problems at home in dire need of care.
 
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Illegal Smile

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Let me say something and then I'm out of the forum for awhile. The proportion of the world's population living in poverty according to UN standards has been cut in half in the last 30 years. That is an incredible accomplishment and is entirely due to the spread of functional economies and functional governments to parts of the world that never had them before. In other words, globalization.

Almost all the violence in the world is at the borders between the functional connected world, and the dysfunctional thugocracies afraid to let their people see what the interconnected world has to offer. Peace will come as those borders are pushed back and the dysfunctional world shrinks. That's why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan.

State on state war is pretty much obsolete now, at least among core nations. The more interconnected the world becomes, the more impossible it is to wage war on another country without waging war on yourself. A good recipe for real peace. The advancement of peace and a better world is directly tied to the advancement of globalization. We are within reach of a world without war and without poverty. But we will never get there, and we will slide back into darkness, if the US does not adhere to its historic role as the bow wave of globalization. Energy is not the most important commodity, security is. And the main export of the US in coming decades will be security. Think about that.
 

CrackerJax

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I like the optimism but it is unfounded. What we are witnessing is the ending of the USA as a dominant role in global affairs. The USA has never been a bully... that's nonsense. What the rest of the world wants is a bigger piece of our pie. They want to see a shift in trading and influence that benefits their own goals, whatever they may be.

It's all competition, once you get past the flowery words in the news clips. Obama is ceding global leadership at a time when we are most vulnerable financially. The globalization you speak of is correct but Obama and ilk have been shirking their duties in that area at the behest of the unions. The USA just lost a HUGE trading deal with South Korea to the EU. This is a first as that has automatically gone to the USA in the past.

Russia is deliberately conning Obama and it's working better than they could have hoped. You might as well write Eastern Europe off as theirs now. This has been their true goal all along. They used Iran to get the missile defense system chucked. A canard that Obama never saw coming.... Of course at the same time Russia herself installed their own missile defense down near North Korea. Obama never said a word about it. Not one word.

Weakness begets war.... every time. The weaker you appear, the more bold ur enemies become.

Fasten ur seat belts.... we are projecting weakness like never before.
 

medicineman

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Cracker says: "The USA has never been a bully... that's nonsense." This tells the story, this is the intellect we're dealing with here. Pure jingoism folks. The blinders are fully in place. When you awake from your coma, get back to me, Bully, pshaw.
 

ViRedd

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Let me say something and then I'm out of the forum for awhile. The proportion of the world's population living in poverty according to UN standards has been cut in half in the last 30 years. That is an incredible accomplishment and is entirely due to the spread of functional economies and functional governments to parts of the world that never had them before. In other words, globalization.

Almost all the violence in the world is at the borders between the functional connected world, and the dysfunctional thugocracies afraid to let their people see what the interconnected world has to offer. Peace will come as those borders are pushed back and the dysfunctional world shrinks. That's why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan.

State on state war is pretty much obsolete now, at least among core nations. The more interconnected the world becomes, the more impossible it is to wage war on another country without waging war on yourself. A good recipe for real peace. The advancement of peace and a better world is directly tied to the advancement of globalization. We are within reach of a world without war and without poverty. But we will never get there, and we will slide back into darkness, if the US does not adhere to its historic role as the bow wave of globalization. Energy is not the most important commodity, security is. And the main export of the US in coming decades will be security. Think about that.
Excellent post. The area I highlighted in red reflects what my beliefs about our Middle East excursions exactly.
 

CrackerJax

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Cracker says: "The USA has never been a bully... that's nonsense." This tells the story, this is the intellect we're dealing with here. Pure jingoism folks. The blinders are fully in place. When you awake from your coma, get back to me, Bully, pshaw.
Since you most obviously think the USA is a bully ... please list the unprovoked attacks by the USA plz... that is the definition of a bully... one who initiates an unprovoked attack.

List them for me Med Man....
 

notoriousb

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Just what is so bad about being european. The euros can come here with their Euros and get 1.60 for them. That allows them to have a great American Vacation. If the Americans want to go to Europe, they get like .60 cents for their dollar. Seems like the euros are at an advantage. Plus the standard of living in Europe is going up, while ours is going straight into the toilet, Go figure. Bad to be European, not at this time.
you know why the US dollar is such shit? these lib's wiping their ass with the US Constitution and destroying the free market system with these socialist programs. whenever the govt gets their hand in the free market, they cripple it with regulations. then the spending and printing of more money than the govt will ever get through taxes, is spending and taxing us into oblivion. he's creating a whole welfare that will be solely dependent on the govt.

&& Europe's going the complete opposite way for banking. we're going to the socialism sytem where they were, and they're going in the direction of the capitalistic free market system we did have befoer these Progressives infected every branch of federal govt
 

Wordz

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you know why the US dollar is such shit? these lib's wiping their ass with the US Constitution and destroying the free market system with these socialist programs. whenever the govt gets their hand in the free market, they cripple it with regulations. then the spending and printing of more money than the govt will ever get through taxes, is spending and taxing us into oblivion. he's creating a whole welfare that will be solely dependent on the govt.

&& Europe's going the complete opposite way for banking. we're going to the socialism sytem where they were, and they're going in the direction of the capitalistic free market system we did have befoer these Progressives infected every branch of federal govt
man I hope we get some repubs in office again dems is really dragging out the destruction of our economy the repubs no how to do it quick
 
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