AMA Finally Gets It!

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
In my view you gotta get the basics straight and not confuse them before you can reasonably discuss the various issues. To that end as I see it there are three groups of individuals who support any kind of legalization.

First there are those who just want to purchase and use it legally so they have no worries about troubles that may occur if they were illegal.

Second there are those who wish to have a small, private grow for personal use because they like growing and/or wish to save money and/or want to maintain a stable supply of a know quality and/or want to keep their private activities private.

Third there are those who want to be involved in the production and sale of marijuana.

Each person has their own reasons and motivations for supporting various tactics and goals for legalization. That's totally normal and acceptable.

The question is how can we promote legalization so that we can best protect the interests of everyone involved?

Will promoting medical marijuana lead to the downfall of small to medium scale production and sales as it seems Jax is predicting?

Does this mean that we should support only full legalization or nothing? If so, then how do we successfully promote full legalization when the majority is barely willing to accept medical marijuana? If not, how can we support medical marijuana so that we can keep small and medium operations viable?

It seems obvious that medical marijuana is the quickest and easiest way to satisfy the first two groups of individuals. But if it leads to a de-facto ban on the third, should the first two give up what they can get now in order to protect the third group at some distant future time?

Once we have decided which way to go, then we must discuss all the problems we might face and how to address them and possibly head them off before they occur.

But the bottom line is that there must be a way, we must make a way to move forward with an eye on all these issues. We can't just decide that it's hopeless and give up. That is not an option.

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Whoa but you totally refrained from keeping the 4th straw handy! Where do the medical patients come in?
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
Things are happening in the background but I'm not in the loop either:
Allen St. Pierre, the executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of marijuana Laws, said he was astonished recently to be invited to contribute thoughts to the Office of National Drug Control Policy. Obama's drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske, was police chief in Seattle, where voters officially made enforcement of marijuana laws the lowest priority.
"I've been thrown out of the ONDCP many times," St. Pierre said. "Never invited to actually participate."

Another history making moment...


To Bring someone of great ridicule of the game, who knows the stragedy very well could be of great contribute to the cause, I see big changes, but time will only tell in this case of opposing voices and standards!
 

Eire

Member
Whoa but you totally refrained from keeping the 4th straw handy! Where do the medical patients come in?
MMJ patients can fit any of these cats just like recreational users. An MMJ patient might just want her meds without worry or hassle, or he might enjoy gardening and raising his own, or she might want to be involved in the whole process.

So SD just came out with some guidelines for dispensaries and cooperatives. CA state will have a bill for full legalization on the 2010 ballot and is already working to get it on the 2012 ballot also, in case 2010 fails. That's good.

Meanwhile the local & state agencies still seem set against collective grows and any grow that is bigger than a small indoor patch. So no one can make a big legal grow, which has skewed the supply & demand towards criminal elements. This could be foolishness or it could be making way for big corporate grows.

On the other hand, these circumstances favor the small legal grow because it puts their production at a premium price as long as it remains small and is of a high quality. So small grows can earn a decent supplementary income for now. But this is likely a closing window of opportunity.

Who knows how it may work out over time. It still scares me to think that the tide will turn on us before we reach victory. But for now small is all.

Hmmm, I wonder how big small can really be? Hehehe

:-)
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I'll just point out the obvious already. In case anyone hasn't noticed, Obama is President and the Dem's control both houses.

If not now? When???? What's the hold up?

Waiting till the power to implement it wanes? (????)
 

OregonMeds

Well-Known Member
Waiting for the day he doesn't need anyones help from the house or senate or republicans or democrats for anything else any longer maybe? It is still in many circles considered political suicide you know? Might be one of the the last thing he does, and rightly so...
 

CrackerJax

New Member
It's hardly suicide? Pick up the papers son, it's the next big thing!! The country is ready for it?

heck, the country is AGAINST health care, but that's not stopping a completely lopsided one party monster socialized tax program.

Weed is too tough next to Health care? NONSENSE!!

At this point if he decided weed was the fall back position, the country would applaud.

Faced with tax oblivion and economic permanent mediocrity, or legal weed ... which would you choose?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Yes, whatever your political leaning are.... this is a simple reality check. The time to get weed legalized/decrim'd is closing.

It's GO TIME right now! Stoner issues cross all party lines. If not now? When??
 

growone

Well-Known Member
Yes, whatever your political leaning are.... this is a simple reality check. The time to get weed legalized/decrim'd is closing.

It's GO TIME right now! Stoner issues cross all party lines. If not now? When??
here's my simple point of view, just my way of looking at it
it's not about us, the people that want the simple, legal right to use MJ as we see fit
it's about the people that really don't want it, and the will to enforce laws that plainly becoming more obviously stupid day by day
and that will is failing, just a question of time, and probably not much more time
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Public opinion of weed as basically harmless is at an all time high.

Like I said before, most Americans are against GOVT. health care, but this doesn't stop Congress from plowing ahead.

If they want a street fight on weed, we should give it to them! Let's start calling Congress and Obama out on weed. They act like we don't exist...
 

Eire

Member
Hooray, Crackerjack! Let's all promise ourselves to do something. If you want to write your reps, call them, send letters to your local papers, whatever. Do it now and repeat every couple of weeks. The squeaky wheel gets the grease!

BTW, 75% of Americans want health care reform. They just can't decide how they want it reformed. But legal marijuana is an issue of basic liberty. Let's gain the liberty to live our own lives. Then we can discuss how to best ensure that we keep living.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Oh, they have decided what they don't want ... the govt. being in charge of something so important. Reform is easily done by the private sector, but the govt. won't allow it for obvious reasons. They want it for themselves. :wink:

They are also coincidentally NOT putting themselves or their entire staff under the same laws. They will keep their platinum private health care on our dime.

After all, they are royalty. Right?? Can you smell the hypocrisy?
 

Eire

Member
Well someone has to tell the highwaymen to stop taking our money and then letting us die anyway. Letting them enact reform on their own is like telling criminals to write their own laws. Free market forces don't work in this particular industry because the consumer does not have the choice to stop buying a bad product and thus inspiring better products. It's pay now and die later or pay even more later and still die. Free Market Capitalism is like everything else in the world in that it is great except when it isn't.

But I'm not sure that issue is right for this thread. We are talking about MMJ and MJ legalization in this one, right? I'm confused because we are also talking about the AMA here.

:D
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Well, it's all medical, and we already know what we need to do for weed...

Ur right, it's about choice. Right now it is the govt. who is restricting ur choice.

They by the way have (federal employees)the highest amount of choices of anyone in the country. Can u smell the hypocrisy?
 

OregonMeds

Well-Known Member
"But I'm not sure that issue is right for this thread. We are talking about MMJ and MJ legalization in this one, right? I'm confused because we are also talking about the AMA here. "

Look at the title of this thread. It'll come to you, just take your time. :)
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I get it, no worries, but as I said, we know what must be done.

The time is now!! Write your Fed reps, let them know how Obama is letting us all down!! If we don't get this passed soon, it isn't going to happen. Then the political blade will slice the other way and states may get caught in the lurch .. meaning us.
 

Eire

Member
Yes, we have to keep the pressure on forward motion. I think that's why the tax initiative is palatable right now, because we need the states to settle into it before harsher opponents get elected.

Perhaps that's why Obama is standing back after taking the Fed pressure off of MMJ, he is giving the states time to get their own priorities in order and settle into systems of use and taxation. Once a majority of states have accepted use and have regulated taxation, then it will be hard for the Fed to fight them and easier for it to follow suit.

This is how it is supposed to work, anyway. The Fed is supposed to follow the states and not lead them. It goes all the way back to the Federalist papers that the states need a level of autonomy by which they can create and proof policies that are different from Federal regulations and thus guide the Fed to better policies.

This is how our system evolves and improves itself even as it grows. An all-powerful Fed can only lead to national atrophy and political deadlock.

Is that going too deep on the analysis?

:-)
 
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