ALIEN TECH

ttystikk said:

I'd much rather go cruising with people I can have an intelligent conversation with. That cruise seems like a dreadful waste of time.

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Bring some good debating friends. Could be fun until they make you walk the plank over the ice wall

Ha! ^^^^

Beachwalker said:

Well there's two areas you've made mistakes in already..

You're a little late on your "First Contact" fantasy scenario, but only by thousands of years, but let's put that aside for now..

Assuming as you believe, that aliens come from vast distances, and that they travel light years to get here with no problem, but when they get here they just can't seem to fly around the earth without crashing and burning is, well frankly it's silly..

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Mistakes happen.

I haven't seen anything that convinced me extraterrestrials have already been here.

Rrog said:

Said with so much fucking authority... like you would ever be an expert in anything...

Let’s not forget you believe in everything including tooth fairies

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And the flat Earth theories, don't forget those!

srh88 said:

Bring some good debating friends. Could be fun until they make you walk the plank over the ice wall

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There are so many more worthy things to debate in this world, why waste time with such obvious drivel?

ttystikk said:

haven't seen anything that convinced me extraterrestrials have already been here.

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A lot of smart people will refuse to believe in alien visitation regardless of the evidence, while others demand a body or a craft.

Meanwhile, there's photo's, radar, individual testimony, multiple witness testimony, that all demonstrate the operation of intelligently controlled craft moving through our air space that are not being controlled by humans.

I think it's hysterical how people can adjust their standards of evidence based on what they want to believe. We have more actual evidence and proof for the existence of alien controlled craft in our airspace than we do for the existence of the electron, and yet only fools discount the electron.

ttystikk said:

There are so many more worthy things to debate in this world, why waste time with such obvious drivel?

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I'm just trying to see the ice wall

Wilksey said:

A lot of smart people will refuse to believe in alien visitation regardless of the evidence, while others demand a body or a craft.

Meanwhile, there's photo's, radar, individual testimony, multiple witness testimony, that all demonstrate the operation of intelligently controlled craft moving through our air space that are not being controlled by humans.

I think it's hysterical how people can adjust their standards of evidence based on what they want to believe. We have more actual evidence and proof for the existence of alien controlled craft in our airspace than we do for the existence of the electron, and yet only fools discount the electron.

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No, we absolutely do not have more evidence for aliens than electrons and anyone who thinks otherwise has a weak grasp of science.

Of the thousands of incidents, video clips etc submitted as evidence for extraterrestrials, the VAST MAJORITY, as in over 99%, have been explained by decidedly more mundane phenomena.

That's not an environment conducive to much credibility.

When First Contact happens, I have a feeling it will be hard to keep under wraps.

Meanwhile, if aliens possess all this advanced tech, they're also very likely to be smart enough to stay the fuck back and observe this primitive warmongering species from a safe distance. No need to shake our hand if we aren't smart enough to take care of our home planet or avoid nuking each other.

srh88 said:

I'm just trying to see the ice wall

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Then by all means, join their cruise! You wouldn't want me asking anyway; we'd just argue about politics the whole time lol

ttystikk said:

I'm thinking that the kinds of alien tech we might be likely to acquire would be that which would logically be found in a spacecraft:
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I rather doubt that we'd find weapons technology. Those aliens would have to be as stupid as Captain Kirk to bring anything we might be able to reverse engineer and use against them.

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Makes sense. No one would take their guns into a bad neighborhood.

ttystikk said:

No, we absolutely do not have more evidence for aliens than electrons and anyone who thinks otherwise has a weak grasp of science.

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Sure we do:

We have pictures of a wide variety of alien vehicles operating in our air space. We do NOT have pictures of an electron.



We have civilian pilots, military pilots, sailors, police, and even scientists that have seen alien vehicles operating in our air space. No human being has ever seen an electron.





We have multiple ground and air RADAR platforms that have tracked individual alien vehicles operating in our air space. We have yet to develop the ability to identify or track a single electron, and we don't even really know how big, or small, they are.


If one were to use the same standards of evidence that science uses to justify the existence of the electron, then the proof would, indeed, be overwhelmingly in support of alien visitation. However, there are a lot of people that find the entire concept of alien visitation to be "unreasonable" for a variety of reasons, and will therefore continue to find excuses to ignore the volumes of evidence that exists already to support the fact that we are, have, and will continue to be visited by alien civilizations.

The REAL question we should be trying to find the answer to is why aren't the fuckers introducing themselves? While we all have our suspicions, I think it's pretty important to figure out why the hell they're being so "stand-offish", so we can unfuck ourselves and maybe they can hook us up with some kind of energy tech that doesn't destroy the air we breathe, the water we drink, or fuck up the environment in some way.

I’m on the fence with aliens.

But your electron analogy is lacking. A blind man can use reproducible methods to determine that a tack is pointy without having to ever see it

Rrog said:

I’m on the fence with aliens.

But your electron analogy is lacking. A blind man can use reproducible methods to determine that a tack is pointy without having to ever see it

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In fact we do have images of electrons.
https://goo.gl/images/Hcdm7q

@Wilksey Cuz science, bitch! Now it's your turn.

As I said, I want real evidence of extraterrestrials. I want to meet them. I want to believe. I even believe the testimony of many (not all) people who say they saw proof, at least as far as to say that I think they're being sincere. But I need hard evidence.

ttystikk said:

Now it's your turn.

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The picture you posted is no more a picture of an electron than the wake on a lake is a picture of the boat that made it.

Yet another example of how "evidence" standards change to meet the belief of the individual, as you are willing to accept indirect evidence supporting the existence of the electron, but not for alien visitation. You're not alone, though.

Wilksey said:

The picture you posted is no more a picture of an electron than the wake on a lake is a picture of the boat that made it.

Yet another example of how "evidence" standards change to meet the belief of the individual, as you are willing to accept indirect evidence supporting the existence of the electron, but not for alien visitation. You're not alone, though.

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Really now? Let's see that PhD in applied physics one more time?

You're currently typing on a computer. The electrons you're currently (see what I did there?) using to bullshit us are far less theoretical than anything you're trying to pass off as evidence of extraterrestrials.

I don't really want to meet aliens until I'm almost dead or ready to die. I'm sure they would have as much interest in me as a scientist that;s cleaning old petri dishes after an experiment that didn't produce any useful results.

But I'd love to actually know they are real (if they are) just before I go lights out. That would be a cool end.

I could feel supiorly smug for a few moments that all of those religious fanatics really did have ot all wrong. That they have no real god, just a memory of a past visitor with far better tech.

That would make me happy. Then I would just stop existing. No soul. No heaven. No hell. Just nothingness. Like every living human since history began. Every last one. Nothing.

ttystikk said:

You're currently typing on a computer.

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I wouldn't be if people demanded the same kind of unreasonable direct observational evidence for the electron that they did for alien visitation. Fortunately, there are still reasonable people left in the world that understand you have to assess the evidence you have, sometimes, and not the evidence you'd like to have.

greg nr said:

No soul. No heaven. No hell. Just nothingness. Like every living human since history began.

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There is a reoccurring theme that exists in every segment of every galaxy in all of the cosmos: repetition.

The universe doesn't make one of anything, it makes them by the billions. Over, and over, and over again. This leads me to believe that this might not be our only time spent existing on some remote fucking rock flying around somewhere in the cosmos. Rather than the comforting nothingness one might expect, or desire, upon our departure, we may just find ourselves starting over......again......somewhere else.....as something else.....and there might not be a damn thing we can do about it.

This fucking ride might never end....