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DR. VonDankenstine

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Things are real dry around this area--but there is an upside:eyesmoke:-my flowering room hi's never go over 60 R/H so I don't have mold issue's I have to treat-my avg R/H is 52%. Let me know when the FUCT ENG. goes public---I will make sure to get in on the initial offering:mrgreen:. side question--what ppm range does that sweettooth like in veg and flowering?.----back to our original FUCT program----I guess your the man with many job titles at the FUCT CORP. It's a great bus model---I know who the hell to call when I have a complaint...:twisted:
 
fshields1

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im not actually sure if its a problem or not cause this is the first time i have cloned. but i have taken a clone from a known, good, healthy female. it took root rather fast and it was small so i have veged it for close to 4 weeks (about 9" tall) and all the leaves and growth looked great. now its been flowering for around a week and a half, and its going through the normal growth spurt, but all the new growth at the top instead of being normal leaves with 7,5,or even 3 blades, they only have 1 single blade? is something wrong or am i just going to have less to trim in the end?

im growing in soil under a 400 watt hps, and feeding with a 15-30-15 at about 3/4 strength.
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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ppm, sorry I missed replying to this. That happens sometimes when there's been a flood of posts. wytberry, if I could ask a favour, please post more queries in fewer posts. Helps me keep up without missing any, thanks. :)

platypusmann said:
Al, since you are the resident expert on SoG, wanted to ask you a question......I am growing in a 4x4 ebb & flow w/40 gal. res, 3" rockwool/hydroton medium, under a 400 watt HID light (MH veg/HPS flower)
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ok, sounds good

three 42 watt CFL's (450 watts actual??)
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The equivalent incandescent ratings of CFLs are not significant. Only the lumens figure is of much use in comparing brightness of lights- and it's not the best figure to use for growing plants, but it'll have to do as this is how lamps are labelled.

I have all factors (temps, RH, VPD, nutes) well under control,
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Cool, but what's VPD? Volkswagens per day? :lol:

and am thinking of starting a SoG. I currently grow 10 plants from seed each grow, and usually get 4 to 6 females that I flower out. When I have had 6, the 400w HPS was not toally adequate to flower them fully...I had alot of little low buds undeveloped on three plants, which is why I added the CFL's.
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Yep, SoG pruning will help the yield and avg bud size/density, eliminating the bumfluff lower branch buds, while still using your 400.

how many plants you think I could comfortably grow under my lighting
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A 400 is good for 8sq ft. Horizontal tube fixtures lay down a rectangular light pattern, about 3:2, longest axis perpendicular to the lamp tube. an area 3.2' x 2.5' is ideal, using only the middle of your 4x4 table. If you want to fill the table, you'll want a 1000HPS. You can fit up to 4 plants per sf using 140mm x 140mm pots or about 32 SoG pruned plants in 8 sq ft. That's pretty high density housing, so you might hold it to 25 if you have any problem getting solid buds on the lower part of the mainstem on your SoG pruned plants.

You won't need CFLs for fill lighting, but those would probably not have helped your yield too much previously anyway. CFLs in flowering produce fluffy buds compared to HPS. Adding CFLs (even the really big 125W mothers) to HPS is bit like putting a model airplane engine on the nose of your 747 to help out the jet engines.

You're a prime candidate for SoG as it makes very efficient use of light by elimination of poorly producing small branches, especially good for smaller HPS lamps like the 400. You can do quite a lot with a 400 in SoG, I think you'll like the result. :)
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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DR. VonDankenstine said:
LOL-
Things are real dry around this area--but there is an upside:eyesmoke:-my flowering room hi's never go over 60 R/H so I don't have mold issue's
I have to treat-my avg R/H is 52%.
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I guess you wouldn't! Most growers would kill for a constant 50%. :)
Let me know when the FUCT ENG. goes public---I will make sure to get in on the initial offering:mrgreen:.
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You'll be the first on the IPO notice list. :lol: I'll offer a squillion shares at a penny apiece and head for Guataburkinastan like every other capitalist tool. :lol:

side question--what ppm range does that sweettooth like in veg and flowering?.
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1800 veg, 1400 flowering.

----back to our original FUCT program----I guess your the man with many job titles at the FUCT CORP. It's a great bus model---I know who the hell to call when I have a complaint...:twisted:
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Oh no- we do have a customer satisfaction assurance department. Just dial 1-800-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. We'll take care of you tout suite. ;)

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all the new growth at the top instead of being normal leaves with 7,5,or even 3 blades, they only have 1 single blade?
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It sounds like you have taken a clone from a plant that was in flower.

Clones should be taken only from plants in full veg growth mode, never having been exposed to 12/12 light. If the mother is in flower and the clones are to be vegged, they will take several weeks to return to veg state. In the meantime, they will throw out mixed habit growth, single bladed fan leaves, webbed fan leaves, may have large seed bracts at the nodes and may gain vertical height slowly, which appears to be what is happening for you. You can look at a re-vegging plant like a very elongated bud.

You can fully revert plants like this to veg mode, but it takes a while, at least 4 weeks and usually more like 6-8 before veg habit growth fully re-establishes. The plants must be kept in 18-24H light (pref 24h) and pruned back a few times until all the new growth is coming up in the full vegetative habit with 5-7 or more bladed fan leaves and quick vertical height gains.

This re-vegging process takes a long time because it's a circumstance that the plant isn't evolved to handle. Cannabis is an annual, sprouts in spring when days are getting longer, grows vegetatively in the long summer days and flowers with the shortening days in autumn, going to seed and dying off, relying on the seed to start the next generation. It doesn't normally encounter lengthening days as plants normally die off in winter.

Sorry about this if you were in a hurry!
 
Al B. Fuct

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gvega187 said:
oh wow, I already bought and drilled holes in two 4 x 4 trays.
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Sorry about that. :?

So a 4x4 is only about 1 foot wider than your trays altogether. I guess I wont worry about driving back and returning for 3 x 3's.
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A 4x4 is about 1ft wider and 2ft shorter than a pair of 900mm x 900mm tryas.
What kind of light will I need to properly cover a full table of 4 x 4. Will 1 1000 watt adequately cover the area?
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A 1000 would easily do 4x4, I use a 1000 over each pair of 900 x 900 trays approximately 3x6'.
Would two 600's be better suited for the job?
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No, a cooltubed 1000 can lay down more lumens per sq metre (lux) and is cheaper to operate than a pair of 600s.

Before cooltubes, my four 900x900 tray system probably would have worked better with 4x 600 due to the spacing requirements of an uncooltubed 1000. With cooltubes, 1000s can be run much closer to the plants than without, taking full advantage of their 150-165,000 lumen brightness.
 
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Chumlie

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All my plants look healthy except two in the back got heat stress from some milkcarton light holder I had to use until I got my light today. So hopefully they will be ok. My to major problems seem to be the week older plant with the past nute burn. Has healthy color(except, nute burn), but leaves are looking sad pointing down. Could it be the nute are not high enough for it?

My two good looking "girls" have white tiny dots on the leaves, dosen't seem to be sticking up from the leaves looks like part of the leaves. Is this fungus? I'll see if I can get pics.
 
fitzyno1

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Al B,
what's the best way to stress a female into hermie, with the least risk of killing her.
I want to take the pollen from the hermie, to pollenate another female of the same strain. To end up with female seeds.
In otherwords, i want to keep seeds from the same strain.

And yes, showing her the electricity bill would put her under alot of stress LOL
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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Chumlie said:
Has healthy color(except, nute burn), but leaves are looking sad pointing down. Could it be the nute are not high enough for it?
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no, nutrient strength is not indicated by leaf angle... You're aiming to give the plant enough nutrient that it grows without burn or deficiency. If you have that, you're in the middle of the bell curve. More is not generally better when growing plants. There's too little, just right and dead.

When leaves droop, it can be caused by root disease/overwatering, excessively high temps or RH, some other causes. It's never a good sign.
 
wyteberrywidow

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just until i sex the plants so i can see what im using to clone and what im getting rid of i just dont want to kill my elecriicity bill it aint the point of the bill its the point of the peoples if u know what i mean
 
Al B. Fuct

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wyteberrywidow said:
i wanna run my 400 watt for veg being its my first grow
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This is a meaningless post.

If you don't stop flooding the thread, I will add you to my ignore list and stop replying to you. This is your 3rd and last warning.

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Al B,
what's the best way to stress a female into hermie, with the least risk of killing her.
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Flower it for a long time, perhaps 12 weeks. It'll go hermie. Also, interrupting its night cycle with a couple hours of light when it should be in darkness can trigger hermaphrodism.
 
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How do you look for root disease when there not visivle yet, I think? My temps are high, but not that high 77-80 (it is mex shit); also the others seem find.

The ones I know that are heat stress have a very slight rolling drop, while its just slope gradually down. My RH stay at hight 50 low 60 except when A/C on then it's at low 50 sometimes low 40.
Maybe to much water but all aeroponic people even the "guys" at the store say water every other 15 min, yet they gave me nute burn so switch the night to 15/45.
It seems all the other plants are fine.
What do you think about the white specs, are you just waiting on pics?
 
fshields1

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It sounds like you have taken a clone from a plant that was in flower.

Clones should be taken only from plants in full veg growth mode, never having been exposed to 12/12 light. If the mother is in flower and the clones are to be vegged, they will take several weeks to return to veg state. In the meantime, they will throw out mixed habit growth, single bladed fan leaves, webbed fan leaves, may have large seed bracts at the nodes and may gain vertical height slowly, which appears to be what is happening for you. You can look at a re-vegging plant like a very elongated bud.

You can fully revert plants like this to veg mode, but it takes a while, at least 4 weeks and usually more like 6-8 before veg habit growth fully re-establishes. The plants must be kept in 18-24H light (pref 24h) and pruned back a few times until all the new growth is coming up in the full vegetative habit with 5-7 or more bladed fan leaves and quick vertical height gains.

This re-vegging process takes a long time because it's a circumstance that the plant isn't evolved to handle. Cannabis is an annual, sprouts in spring when days are getting longer, grows vegetatively in the long summer days and flowers with the shortening days in autumn, going to seed and dying off, relying on the seed to start the next generation. It doesn't normally encounter lengthening days as plants normally die off in winter.

Sorry about this if you were in a hurry!
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no there is no hurry, i just thought i was wierd. but the clones were taken from a plant that had never seen 12/12, only 24/0 and once the clone took root they were veged for 4-5 weeks more with normal growth before i flowered when they got to be around 9-10 inches. thats when it started its growth sport and loosing leaves
 
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Al B. Fuct said:
Flower it for a long time, perhaps 12 weeks. It'll go hermie. Also, interrupting its night cycle with a couple hours of light when it should be in darkness can trigger hermaphrodism.
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I think the second option would be more plauseable to me, Cheers Al
 
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