Afghanistan, can any war be won?

Woomeister

Woomeister

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British troops are being killed every day now from ied's and no gain is being made. The terrorist argument is wearing thin in England as the plots that are being upturned have no relationship to Afghanistan, the Taliban etc. The reasoning behind most terrorist plots are the fact that we are fighting in Afghanistan and were in Iraq. Can any war be won? I think not. You cant bomb what you cant see. The Afghan 'government' (for want of a better word) are corrupt and useless and so why do we still train a 'so called' afghan army? No occupying force has ever left Afghanistan as the victor...
 
Wavels

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Well this "war" is not against the Afghan people or their so called government.
It is being waged against insurgents and usurpers.
These pusillanimous weasels scurry to and fro across the countryside and demonstrate no compunction regarding the slaughter of innocents, including mostly their fellow less radical Muslims.

Seems to me that we should make a concerted effort to seriously debilitate if not obliterate these barbaric vile curs.

Obama has said this is a necessary war...
and upon this point I agree with the POTUS

Maybe it cannot be won in the strict sense of the word, however I think it is worth the effort to at least impair our self avowed enemies.
 
Woomeister

Woomeister

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Wavels said:
Well this "war" is not against the Afghan people or their so called government.
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Wavels said:
It is being waged against insurgents and usurpers.
These pusillanimous weasels scurry to and fro across the countryside and demonstrate no compunction regarding the slaughter of innocents, including mostly their fellow less radical Muslims.

Seems to me that we should make a concerted effort to seriously debilitate if not obliterate these barbaric vile curs.

Obama has said this is a necessary war...
and upon this point I agree with the POTUS

Maybe it cannot be won in the strict sense of the word, however I think it is worth the effort to at least impair our self avowed enemies.
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No, but why then do we hear that the quicker we train the Afghan army the quicker the British troops will leave? Training an army that has a corrupt gov't leading them is pointless and a waste of life imo.
 
Wavels

Wavels

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Woomeister said:

No, but why then do we hear that the quicker we train the Afghan army the quicker the British troops will leave? Training an army that has a corrupt gov't leading them is pointless and a waste of life imo.
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You raise a viable objection to the strategy of training an army that may very well never behave as such.

I can't conceive of a workable alternative however...it is a VERY dicey situation.

I do not think simply walking away makes any sense at all.
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Woomeister

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One option would be to offer high prices for opium at source. This would make all the disenfanchised opium farmers return to farming instaed of fighting and we could prevent the taxation process that the Taliban implemnts while trafficing it to our countries. Obviously this wouldnt stop the war but its 'out of the box' options that we need to consider.
 
ruderalis88

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Woomeister said:
One option would be to offer high prices for opium at source. This would make all the disenfanchised opium farmers return to farming instaed of fighting and we could prevent the taxation process that the Taliban implemnts while trafficing it to our countries. Obviously this wouldnt stop the war but its 'out of the box' options that we need to consider.
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not a bad call, if drugs were leglised (and regulated?) in the UK (and USA presumably) then afghanistan would become one highly valued trading partner practically overnight.

i agree that UK troops being in Afghanistan is a waste of time, money, resources, and all too often life, but it's typical of the current UK government. You know the Midas touch, where everything turns to gold? Well everything Gordon Brown touches turns to poo. Everything.
 
Woomeister

Woomeister

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ruderalis88 said:
not a bad call, if drugs were leglised (and regulated?) in the UK (and USA presumably) then afghanistan would become one highly valued trading partner practically overnight.

i agree that UK troops being in Afghanistan is a waste of time, money, resources, and all too often life, but it's typical of the current UK government. You know the Midas touch, where everything turns to gold? Well everything Gordon Brown touches turns to poo. Everything.
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I was actually thinking more along the lines that we would by the opium at source and then destroy it. I here people saying 'why not just pay them to not grow it'? Because the devil makes work for idle hands...
 
ruderalis88

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ah i see where you're coming from, it'd be a bit wasteful though. i'd prefer to see a proper trade arrangement, and also more people off their tits on drugs. paying them not to grow it is just daft, you're right.
 
doc111

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Woomeister said:
I was actually thinking more along the lines that we would by the opium at source and then destroy it. I here people saying 'why not just pay them to not grow it'? Because the devil makes work for idle hands...
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I believe we tried paying farmers not to grow the poppy but they took the money and grew it anyway............or took up arms and joined the jihad. Just let them grow the shit, or replace it with an equally profitable crop that can be grown in Afghanistan. :joint::peace:
 
ruderalis88

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Woomeister said:
heroin ruins lives....:wall:
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no doubt about that one, it most definitely does.

but i'm of the opinion that properly regulated 'drug shops' where users are provided with the necessary care and apparatus for as safe an experience as possible would not only clean up a lot of crime and bad social stuff, but also provide the govt with another tasty wee slice of pie to tax and make money from. don't forget the afghanis aren't growing ONLY poppies, they've also got ganj and some other stuff on the go
 
Woomeister

Woomeister

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That is a pipe dream, the war in afghanistan is real and this is a real time solution to part way help it be won.
 
ruderalis88

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fair play, if it's immediate effect you're after then i concur, you've got a bit of a plan there. far more than GB has
 
doc111

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ruderalis88 said:
fair play, if it's immediate effect you're after then i concur, you've got a bit of a plan there. far more than GB has
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Uh, if you are reffering to George Bush, he hasn't been the president for almost a year now. It's Obama who is responsible for making the plans these days. :roll:
 
ruderalis88

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doc111 said:
Uh, if you are reffering to George Bush, he hasn't been the president for almost a year now. It's Obama who is responsible for making the plans these days. :roll:
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lol nah Gordon Brown pal! It makes sense that no one thinks of him cause duh, he's a nobody. Kudos for not being rude and insulting in your query though!

And woomiester, it would be "she means Great Britain" haha
 
Woomeister

Woomeister

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ruderalis88 said:
lol nah Gordon Brown pal! It makes sense that no one thinks of him cause duh, he's a nobody. Kudos for not being rude and insulting in your query though!

And woomiester, it would be "she means Great Britain" haha
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apologies for the presumption.;-)
 
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Wordz

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We're not leaving Afghanistan the cia and dea need those poppy fields. Until they praise jesus and drink coca-cola we're staying. With the western world over there it's hard for the chinese to get the oil fields. We can't have that now can we? People still have some rights let's take them all away in the name of homeland security. Obviously when we kill "the terrorists" it will teach their children to love 'merica. They can't stop me from growing in my closet so how do they think they're gonna stop the taliban? WE HAVE A JOBLESS RATE OVER 10% YOU REALLY THINK THE TROOPS ARE COMING HOME? California can't stop the cartels from growing square miles of pot. How are we supposed to catch all the "terrorist's"?
 
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Wordz

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If I was in charge we would withdraw all troops immediately then send airplanes over their country filled with cash and just drop it on them. then they could rebuild and if they blow their infrastructure up oh well it's not our responsibility any more. we have the printing presses going 24/7 so lets put that money to good use.
 
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