Lucky Luke
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Its Afghanistan's money. Stealing is stealing if you use the item or not. What they do with their own money is none of anybody's business, certainly not America's.
Afganistan Collapse
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printer
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You do not live in the real world, do you? Politics gets played out every day on the world stage, Afghanistan is nothing new. For the lives and treasure the US sunk into Afghanistan a little thing like rights for women and a semi-free political system is not too much to ask for, is it? Or should it be something to just be taken at the barrel of a gun?
Lucky Luke
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America and its allies illegally invaded the country. Invaded. The cost of life and lively hood and destruction caused is huge.
Likeing or dispising the Taliban has no bearing on a reason to steal Afghanistans money.
printer
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As said, it is not stolen. Look at Iran, they got their money back. So what does the Taliban do next year when they spend the 'stolen' money? It is only enough to keep the country going for a year, two at most. Then what?
Lucky Luke
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What's Iran got to to with Afghanistan, we haven't invaded Iran. What Afghanistan spends its money on is no one else's business, Its their money that has been stolen from them, like illegally invading them wasn't bad enough.
I wonder how much the war reparations will be for the countries involved if that ends up going ahead. Not good for little countries like Australia but fairs fair I spose. Hopefully we elect better governments in future and learn from it.
And Iran hasn't got all its stolen money back i don't believe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets. "Since 1980, Iran has demanded that the US, European Union, and South Korea must return all of the frozen assets to Iran, but their demands have largely been ignored.[12] Some of the seized assets have been resold to third parties " But lets not side track onto a completely different topic.
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Fogdog
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Perhaps the Taliban could return the arms we left there in exchange for the money.
Lucky Luke
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Why didn't you take them with you? You had plenty of time, Trump was discussing the surrender with the Taliban since early 2020. At least they are not charging you storage or removal fees..lol
Fogdog
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I dunno, you'd have to ask the people on the ground at the time. In any case, they left money here and we left arms there. Tough titties.
Lucky Luke
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Its a completely different issue. America and a few of its allies Illegal invaded a country. Set up a puppet government and then lost the war and the original Government took back control and is now back in charge. America has then stolen money that belongs to that country and its people. Its money that the country needs to try to help rebuild. The invasion has cost about 71,000 civilian lives. Its a shame that some Americans feel entitled to money that never belonged to them. Like breaking into a neighbours house and keeping the TV out of spite because they punched you in the nose.
"The United States military in 2017 relaxed its rules of engagement for airstrikes in Afghanistan, which resulted in a massive increase in civilian casualties. From the last year of the Obama administration to the last full year of recorded data during the Trump administration, the number of civilians killed by U.S.-led airstrikes in Afghanistan increased by 330 percent. "
Afghan Civilians | Costs of War
The Costs of War Project is a team of 35 scholars, legal experts, human rights practitioners, and physicians, which began its work in 2011. We use research and a public website to facilitate debate about the costs of the post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
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Fogdog
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We've differed regarding whether or not the invasion was legal. You are wrong but I still like you. That's in the past, and I have no doubt that you and I will never agree. But I still like you.Its a completely different issue. America and a few of its allies Illegal invaded a country. Set up a puppet government and then lost the war and the original Government took back control and is now back in charge. America has then stolen money that belongs to that country and its people. Its money that the country needs to try to help rebuild. The invasion has cost about 71,000 Afghani lives. Its a shame that some Americans feel entitled to money that never belonged to them. Like breaking into a neighbours house and keeping the TV out of spite because they punched you in the nose.
"The United States military in 2017 relaxed its rules of engagement for airstrikes in Afghanistan, which resulted in a massive increase in civilian casualties. From the last year of the Obama administration to the last full year of recorded data during the Trump administration, the number of civilians killed by U.S.-led airstrikes in Afghanistan increased by 330 percent. "
Afghan Civilians | Costs of War
The Costs of War Project is a team of 35 scholars, legal experts, human rights practitioners, and physicians, which began its work in 2011. We use research and a public website to facilitate debate about the costs of the post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.watson.brown.edu
Regarding the arms that we left? They can have them. Within a few years they will be worthless. Mostly.
The thing about that money? It was frozen all legal and proper. The Taliban did not gain control through a legal process, why should the winner of a civil war be rewarded with money that belongs to the Afghan Government. Do you know that the government set up by the Taliban has not been recognized by most nations?
On the practical side of matters. It's a bargaining chip that the US will hold until bargains are struck. I guess it sucks for the innocent people in Afghanistan. But you know what? The Taliban could make all the problems just go away through negotiations. Don't they care about their people?
What is Australia doing to clean up it's environmental impact? Good god, man, you guys mine coal as if it weren't going to be the death of us.
Lucky Luke
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I hope so, a difference of opinion should not be a reason to not like someone. I agree with the majority of what you believe in i just look at it from a different angle. I'm ashamed Australia went and invaded Afghanistan.
Fact is the Taliban had power in Afghanistan and were courted by the US. Later on the US invaded them over Afghanistan going back on the pipeline deal. US of cause said it was to find one man who isn't Afghani and happened to be found in a different country- Pakistan. Of cause he was then shot and killed before being questioned...Just like Hussain...ummmmm...
Anyways so we invade a sovereign nation and the gov is disposed by the invading power. The Afghanies fight guerrilla type war that has served them well many, many times before. They beat the invading force that has caused a massive loss of life and huge distabilations. The puppet government flees, probably with as much money as they can carry and the original gov is back in charge. The same Gov that the US once courted. What does the US do...it steals their money...
The money is stolen and belongs to the country of Afghanistan.
Lucky Luke
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We mine coal and sell it to China and its federally subsidised..crazy..
I'm guessing like most things the environmental lead will be taken and achieved by the individual States. My States doing its bit "The Tasmanian government has declared that it has become the first Australian state, and one of just a handful of jurisdictions worldwide, to be powered entirely by renewable electricity. "
https://reneweconomy.com.au/tasmania-declares-itself-100-per-cent-powered-by-renewable-electricity-25119/#:~:text=Tasmania declares itself 100 per cent powered by renewable electricity,-Michael Mazengarb 27&text=However, with the growth of,its needs with renewable sources.
and net zero emissions from 2030 which will be easy to achieve as we pretty much do it already.
Tasmania announces state target of net zero emissions from 2030
Tasmania has announced it will mandate a state target of net zero emissions from 2030 — a feat it has already achieved in six of the last seven years.
www.abc.net.au
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Fogdog
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Bored with ancient history.
I'm not bleeding tears for the Taliban. I'm sorry for the people in Afghanistan and their problems. Not ours to solve. I just hope that by now, they know they shouldn't sponsor a terrorist group, give then safe harbor and expect us to sit by while their sponsored group does violence upon the US.
Fogdog
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But you are Australian too.
As an Australian, aren't you as responsible for Australia's backward polices on reducing greenhouse gas emissions as I am for what the US did in Afghanistan? I expect a full report by tomorrow morning.
Lucky Luke
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Me either. Im very sorry for there females. Perhaps that's why we should of invaded them for. a cause worth fighting for and one that the Afghanies may of surported.
They only asked for proof before handing Osama over...Still no real proof, hence they shot him. Im still of the belief the 9/11 attacks were the Saudis with Bush's knowledge. Another country that treats its females badly but we dont go and invade there...
Lucky Luke
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Im Tasmanian first and Australian second. I'd be happy for us to leave the mainland and become our own little nation. We can only lead by example and hope the big island follows our lead.
How are you responsible for Afghanistan? Are you a policy maker or did you vote for any President who supported the invasion and war apart from Biden who now doesn't support it... You don't seem the type to me. Its been a very unpopular war here in Australia from the start.
The Federal gov (Conservative gov) is useless and has far less power than what a lot of people believe. Australia would function fine if the federal gov was disbanded i recon, it would just mean International deals and state fundings and distribution of GST would be peace meal. But the States will get it done. "The Prime Minister mentioned Australia will reach net zero emissions by mid-century but failed to make a concrete commitment, despite states and territories committing to net zero by 2050 or earlier "
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printer
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Iran has to do with Afghanistan in that the US froze Iranian money but did not steal it. Iran got it back by accepting the condition they do not develop nuclear weapons. You really are not up on things.
As far as the Taliban taking over and war reparations, will they be reimbursing the US and allies for the destruction of infrastructure the US and friends built? Do the Afghan people really want the Taliban as rulers or do they just want peace? Peace that could not take place due to the Taliban? The Taliban is generally from the Helmand province. The other tribes are not too keen on having them as rulers or the strict interpretation of the Quran but they are tired of the war. Why is it that the Taliban gets to rule? Oh right, they have the guns. That makes them legitimate I guess. Well maybe not. No country has said they are the legitimate rulers.
xtsho
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All that matters is that we're out of that shithole. Now they're killing each other instead of targeting Americans. The outcome was always going to be the same as soon as we left. Biden had the guts to pull the plug taking the heat for what was always inevitable and for that he should be thanked.
Lucky Luke
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I haven't read anywhere that Afghanistan is developing nuclear weapons.. Iran hasn't got all their money back- some assets have even been given away or sold on- Do keep up. I even provided a link..
Taliban didn't take over they reinstated themselves. They were the legitimate gov of Afghanistan before we INVADED them and set up a puppet Government. They had peace before we INVADED them. You do understand that America and its allies INVADED them for no good reason right? Just like we did Iraq.
printer
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Iran. What is wrong with you?