Afganistan Collapse

jimihendrix1

jimihendrix1

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USA doesnt have a good record of voter turnout either. Pew Research Center ranked the U.S. 31st out of 35 countries for voter turnout based on the voting age populace, among the mostly democratic nations that are a part of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
We are on the bottom of the list for industrialized countries when it comes to voting.
Alot of people in Afghanistan, live in the middle of nowhere. Have no transport ect.
 
Lucky Luke

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jimihendrix1 said:
USA doesnt have a good record of voter turnout either. Pew Research Center ranked the U.S. 31st out of 35 countries for voter turnout based on the voting age populace, among the mostly democratic nations that are a part of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
We are on the bottom of the list for industrialized countries when it comes to voting.
Alot of people in Afghanistan, live in the middle of nowhere. Have no transport ect.
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Of cause....................Australia is fairly large and arid, but yet we have a turn out of about 92%. If a party gets 30% of the vote they get a fair bit of control.
 
jimihendrix1

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Much of Afghanistan population live in the mountains, and desert.
Less than 3 per cent of the population, or less than 600,000 people, live in the Australian desert region.
74% of the people of Afghanistan live in either the mountains, or the desert.
Afghanistan is mosty rugged mountains, and the desert is high altitude.
The Kush mountains are extremely rugged, and harsh.
Afghanistan has about 14 Million more people than Australia.
 
Lucky Luke

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jimihendrix1 said:
Much of Afghanistan population live in the mountains, and desert.
Less than 3 per cent of the population, or less than 600,000 people, live in the Australian desert region.
74% of the people of Afghanistan live in either the mountains, or the desert.
Afghanistan is mosty rugged mountains, and the desert is high altitude.
The Kush mountains are extremely rugged, and harsh.
Afghanistan has about 14 Million more people than Australia.
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Yep, as i said its pretty large and arid. Fairly inhospitable. With that much more population over such a smaller area you would think making access to voting a lot easier and you would get more people voting. Its only a little tiny country, less than 10% of Australian by land mass.

Hawa Alam Nuristani, head of the election commission, had said previously that 1.8 million Afghan citizens voted in the election out of some 9.6 million eligible.
 
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Lucky Luke

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"Every Afghan presidential election has been brokered or mediated by U.S. diplomats, though Washington seems to ride in later and later each time."

"Fresh off concluding an agreement between the United States and the Taliban in late February 2020, U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan Reconciliation Zalmay Khalilzad flew to Kabul. Once there, he needed not only to sell the government of Afghanistan on the peace deal but also to try to mediate a lingering dispute over the country’s September 2019 presidential election.

"election marred by low turnout and a contentious, six-month-long ballot count. "

"Preserving the constitution is thus an unrealistic goal for Afghan negotiators. The difficult but more realistic trick would be to simultaneously preserve the constitution’s human rights protections, repair its institutional defects, and shift the country from a unitary, winner-take-all electoral system to one that accommodates Kabul’s power-sharing realities. "

" a political system that cannot manage disputes without the Taliban cannot possibly manage disputes once its leaders are included. Sticking to the current constitution would almost certainly lead to a failed government. "

- that last one is why the American put in charge is living in lux in another country, rather than living lux in Afghanistan.


carnegieendowment.org

Afghanistan’s Election Disputes Reflect Its Constitution’s Flaws

After forming a series of governments through U.S. mediators, Afghanistan needs a course correction.
carnegieendowment.org carnegieendowment.org

The former Afghan president denied taking millions of dollars in cash with him as he fled Afghanistan.

“I owe the Afghan people an explanation for leaving Kabul abruptly on August 15 after Taliban unexpectedly entered the city,” Ghani began, in a letter posted to his Twitter account that was written only in English.

Ghani has been accused of engaging in and profiting from rampant corruption.

U.S. and former Afghan officials, including those who worked closely with Ghani, allege numerous instances of corruption and bribery within Ghani’s office and family, and independent investigations have concluded that Ghani gave lucrative contracts to immediate family members

www.cnbc.com

Weeks after fleeing Afghanistan, former President Ashraf Ghani issues 'explanation' statement to Afghan people — only in English

The former president apologized 'to the Afghan people' and denied taking millions of dollars in cash with him as he fled Afghanistan.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
 
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jimihendrix1

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70% dont.
70% want an elected by the people government. Not a hostile takeover.
Like him, or not. Ghani is still the legally elected president.
 
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Very few people believed a presidential election would take place in Afghanistan. US-Taliban talks in Doha, growing insecurity and intensifying political divisions had created an uncertain environment in the war-ravaged country. On top of all that, the Afghan Taliban had declared an all-out war against the vote, threatening civilians, electoral staff and government forces with attacks during the polls.

But against all the odds, the election took place on Saturday and in a relatively successful manner, at least considering the number of attacks carried out by the Taliban.

The insurgent group claimed to have launched 531 attacks, while the Interior Ministry said "the enemy" had carried out 68 assaults. The official death toll on the election day was five security forces, although authorities have a record of suppressing casualty figures on such occasions, only to reveal the real numbers later.

In any case, the current numbers of casualties on the election day are lower than previously expected, particularly for a conflict-torn country that sees dozens of lives lost to insurgency-related violence every week.

"It was a relative success for Afghan security forces.

The Taliban are the ones that dont want elections. They want to rle by force. The Afghan people dont want to be ruled by force, and 70% voted against the Taliban last election, despite the Taliban threats, and death squads.

The Afghans had an election in 2019, ad there is no proof of voter fraud. Ghani is still the duly elected president.

Election authorities have put their faith in biometric voter verification machines, already shipped to every polling station to take the fingerprints and photo of every voter and record the time they cast their ballot.

Those timestamps and individual voter details – linked to a national identity card – should make ballot stuffing extremely difficult, say experts monitoring the poll.

The campaign of Ashraf Ghani is also convinced technology will help them keep tabs on overall vote tallies, and provide early confirmation of results.

An app built for the campaign will be on the phone of a campaign observer in every polling centre. When results are tallied at the end of voting the volunteer will take a picture of the results sheet and manually enter the vote total for each candidate.

Those details will feed into a database that the team says will calculate final results either late on Saturday or the next morning, weeks before the official tally.

They did try to sort out corruption last election, and there is no proof Ghani cheated.
 
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jimihendrix1 said:
Very few people believed a presidential election would take place in Afghanistan. US-Taliban talks in Doha, growing insecurity and intensifying political divisions had created an uncertain environment in the war-ravaged country. On top of all that, the Afghan Taliban had declared an all-out war against the vote, threatening civilians, electoral staff and government forces with attacks during the polls.

But against all the odds, the election took place on Saturday and in a relatively successful manner, at least considering the number of attacks carried out by the Taliban.

The insurgent group claimed to have launched 531 attacks, while the Interior Ministry said "the enemy" had carried out 68 assaults. The official death toll on the election day was five security forces, although authorities have a record of suppressing casualty figures on such occasions, only to reveal the real numbers later.

In any case, the current numbers of casualties on the election day are lower than previously expected, particularly for a conflict-torn country that sees dozens of lives lost to insurgency-related violence every week.

"It was a relative success for Afghan security forces.

The Taliban are the ones that dont want elections. They want to rle by force. The Afghan people dont want to be ruled by force, and 70% voted against the Taliban last election, despite the Taliban threats, and death squads.

The Afghans had an election in 2019, ad there is no proof of voter fraud. Ghani is still the duly elected president.

Election authorities have put their faith in biometric voter verification machines, already shipped to every polling station to take the fingerprints and photo of every voter and record the time they cast their ballot.

Those timestamps and individual voter details – linked to a national identity card – should make ballot stuffing extremely difficult, say experts monitoring the poll.

The campaign of Ashraf Ghani is also convinced technology will help them keep tabs on overall vote tallies, and provide early confirmation of results.

An app built for the campaign will be on the phone of a campaign observer in every polling centre. When results are tallied at the end of voting the volunteer will take a picture of the results sheet and manually enter the vote total for each candidate.

Those details will feed into a database that the team says will calculate final results either late on Saturday or the next morning, weeks before the official tally.

They did try to sort out corruption last election, and there is no proof Ghani cheated.
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Ashraf Ghani was a corrupt politician nothing more. He never cared about the Afghani people. That's why he fled with as much money as he could take. He wasn't even living in Afghanistan until we invaded and propped up a bunch of Americanized Afghan people. Ashraf Ghani lived abroad most of his life. Hell he even attended a high school here in Oregon for a short time. If he won an election it was because the only votes that were able to be cast and counted were in American enclaves like Kabul and did not represent the country as a whole.

The Afghani's might not care for the Taliban but they dislike an American puppet like Ashraf Ghani even less. He was just Hamid Karzai light. Looting the coffers and sending as much money to foreign bank accounts as he could.
 
Lucky Luke

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jimihendrix1 said:
Very few people believed a presidential election would take place in Afghanistan. US-Taliban talks in Doha, growing insecurity and intensifying political divisions had created an uncertain environment in the war-ravaged country. On top of all that, the Afghan Taliban had declared an all-out war against the vote, threatening civilians, electoral staff and government forces with attacks during the polls.

But against all the odds, the election took place on Saturday and in a relatively successful manner, at least considering the number of attacks carried out by the Taliban.

The insurgent group claimed to have launched 531 attacks, while the Interior Ministry said "the enemy" had carried out 68 assaults. The official death toll on the election day was five security forces, although authorities have a record of suppressing casualty figures on such occasions, only to reveal the real numbers later.

In any case, the current numbers of casualties on the election day are lower than previously expected, particularly for a conflict-torn country that sees dozens of lives lost to insurgency-related violence every week.

"It was a relative success for Afghan security forces.

The Taliban are the ones that dont want elections. They want to rle by force. The Afghan people dont want to be ruled by force, and 70% voted against the Taliban last election, despite the Taliban threats, and death squads.

The Afghans had an election in 2019, ad there is no proof of voter fraud. Ghani is still the duly elected president.

Election authorities have put their faith in biometric voter verification machines, already shipped to every polling station to take the fingerprints and photo of every voter and record the time they cast their ballot.

Those timestamps and individual voter details – linked to a national identity card – should make ballot stuffing extremely difficult, say experts monitoring the poll.

The campaign of Ashraf Ghani is also convinced technology will help them keep tabs on overall vote tallies, and provide early confirmation of results.

An app built for the campaign will be on the phone of a campaign observer in every polling centre. When results are tallied at the end of voting the volunteer will take a picture of the results sheet and manually enter the vote total for each candidate.

Those details will feed into a database that the team says will calculate final results either late on Saturday or the next morning, weeks before the official tally.

They did try to sort out corruption last election, and there is no proof Ghani cheated.
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That sounds like a propaganda piece doesn't it?

National identity cards? Very right wing. Does Every Afghanie want or have one. I'd guess thats a big FK no
If they sorted out the corruption then why did the results take 6 months to become available and why when the Electoral Commission wanted to recount was the Opposition leader paid off to not contest.
Why didn't people turn out to vote?
Why would Afghanistan want an American as their President? Or the better Q why would America want Afghanistan's President to be American?
 
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