Advance nutrients!!! B52 or Organic B?!

Discussion in 'Nutrients' started by uncle.duke, Oct 28, 2012.


    Smokenpassout Well-Known Member

    No freebies, but 250 ml AN samples go for $10-15 shipped on eBay. Depends on what it is. There is also someone selling smaller unmarked bottles of any AN product you want to try on ebay.

    Smokenpassout Well-Known Member

    I recently purchased a liter of he organic b. Used it the last run. Id have to say the girls responded to it well. Stayed strong and fully green right up harvest. Expensive stuff but I will stick with it as my b vitamin suppliment. Never tried B52, no need.
    chuck estevez

    chuck estevez Well-Known Member


    By Robert Cox, Horticulture Agent, Colorado State University Cooperative Extension

    Many consumers assume that products on the store shelf must have been tested to prove their claims. Certainly, fertilizers have to meet nutrient content requirements, and pesticides are rigorously tested for safety before EPA registration.

    For some other garden products, however, no such testing is required before sale to the public.

    A good example is vitamin B1 (thiamine), often sold to "prevent transplant shock" and "stimulate new root growth" when planting trees, shrubs, roses and other plants. A study in the 1930's provided the basis for such claims. Pea roots cut off from the plant were placed in a culture medium in the laboratory.

    The researchers knew that thiamine was normally found in roots, so they put thiamine in the culture medium and found that root growth did occur. Vitamin B1 is manufactured in 0lant leaves and sent to the roots, but if roots are cut off and placed in a petri plate, vitamin B1 stimulates growth of the roots when it saturates the culture medium.

    Planting trees in a soil environment, however, is vastly different from a laboratory culture. Most important, gardeners aren't in the habit of cutting off the root system when planting. Several studies using intact mums, apple trees, orange trees, pine, tomato, beans, pepper, corn, pear, watermelon and squash have failed to demonstrate that vitamin B1 treatments provide any type of growth response.

    Some "root stimulator" products contain a rooting hormone and fertilizer along with vitamin B1. These materials may increase rooting and growth, not the vitamin B1.

    The bottom line: While root stimulator products are not necessary for transplant success, if you do use one, make sure it contains a rooting hormone and fertilizer rather than just vitamin B1. The vitamin B1 is for marketing purposes rather than actual effect.
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    OG Gardenz

    OG Gardenz Active Member

    i make my own bloom boosters from soluble Phosphorus, Potassium, and B-Vitamins. you can make early, mid and late bloom boosters out of these three elements. No point in buying AN bs when you can buy the pure form of elements!

    Be weary of any liquid bacteria/fungal inoculate! Science proves that this kind of product has no value. Beneficial microbes are terrestrial bodies and require oxygen to stay viable. Everything in a liquid is dead, if it ever was alive!
    OG Gardenz

    OG Gardenz Active Member

    B-Vitamins are proven to be beneficial for plant stress. Weather it be from transplant or because it is expending so much energy flowering, B-Vitamins are a definite benefit! Many B-Vitamins are a co-enzyme and easily absorbed by roots and in turn can activate thousands of other enzymes.

    A plant normally produces enough vitamins but when it becomes stressed it shuts down this production at the root tip for efficiency. This is why added B-Vitamins during stress periods is key, boosting metabolism and allowing for accelerated growth.

    Do not buy liquid B-Vitamin! B-Vitamins degrade in water very quickly. As chuck says there is no testing required to ensure value is inside bottle.

    Use only soluble B-Vitamins, this ensures freshness the day you mix!

    There is a lot of hype out there, but B-Vitamins are the real thing! The only hype is that it is ok to buy it in a liquid form!
    chuck estevez

    chuck estevez Well-Known Member

    chuck estevez

    chuck estevez Well-Known Member

    In 1939 Better Homes and Gardens published a report that showed vitamin B1 resulted in huge rose flowers and giant daffodils among others. The myth was launched and fed on itself; after all if Better Homes and Gardens says it is true – by golly it is true!

    budman111 Well-Known Member

    Like Chuck said, B vitamins mumbo jumbo are all based some obscure experiment in the early days in the 30's that has hung around like a bad smell to this day that salesmen rub their hands about.
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    OG Gardenz

    OG Gardenz Active Member

    Tell that to this guy I found online in MI, he has only been in the game 20+ years... :confused:

    Are Your Plants Getting Enough Vitamins?

    By Harley Smith

    The best organic gardeners have known for years that a healthy soil grows healthy plants. The secret lies at the root zone. Plants and beneficial microorganisms have co-evolved on the planet, helping each other in the struggle for life. From the beginning, beneficial bacteria and fungi have colonized the roots of plants and formed a mutually beneficial relationship with their host. The plants leak sugars and nutrients to help feed the microorganisms and the microorganisms produce biologically active molecules to help feed and protect the plant. B-vitamins are one part of the mix.

    Some yeasts and plant-growth-promoting rhizobacteria produce B-vitamins directly on the surface of plant roots. The B-vitamins stimulate the metabolism of fine root hairs, and help activate the plant’s natural defense mechanisms against environmental stress and foreign invaders. For example, scientists now know that thiamine (B1) activates the plant’s systemic induced response in a process called “priming”. When treated with B1, the primed plant becomes highly sensitized so that it can respond more quickly against various pathogenic bacteria, fungi and even viruses. In one experiment, a single treatment with thiamine provided increased plant protection for up to 15 days!

    One of the best times to use B-vitamins is just before transplant. No matter how careful you are, microscopic root hairs are damaged during transplant. The roots then become more susceptible to invasion by pythium and other fungi. If you dip the roots in a B-1 solution before transplant, the plant’s natural immune system is primed to better fight off infection. Although technically speaking, B-vitamins don’t prevent “transplant shock”, the heightened immune response helps protect the plant from invasion by root diseases and provides faster recovery.

    There are several commercially-available B-vitamins that are included in plant biostimulant products, but the most popular ones are B1, B2, B3 and B6 because of their positive effect on the metabolism of cells and the activation of enzymes. Science still has much to learn about the effects of vitamin cofactors, but experience has shown that B-vitamins work better in combination than alone. For example, B1 induces resistance to plant pathogens; B2 and B3 stimulate cellular metabolism, and B6 is a powerful antioxidant. Together, they have a synergistic effect.

    Dosage is also important. It’s best to use a B-vitamin blend with a relatively high dose of B-1. B-vitamins are so biologically active that most of them will be consumed by microorganisms in the soil solution within a few hours of application! Only the left over B-vitamins or their derivatives are directly taken up by the plant. To achieve maximum potency, dry B-vitamin blends should be mixed in water and used as soon as possible. For example, when I receive B-vitamins for use in the lab, the directions suggest mixing them in water and storing them in the refrigerator for no more than two weeks. Liquid blends on the store shelves will lose much of their potency over time.

    The value of feeding specific B-vitamins to plants is often debated, but try to keep the bigger picture in mind. B-vitamins are part of a complex, biological system which includes plant-growth-promoting rhizobacteria. In fact, B-vitamins are often included as an essential ingredient in microbial inoculants! As the metabolism of beneficial bacteria is stimulated, the bacteria quickly multiply. In the process, some microbes make powerful biological compounds that activate the plant’s natural immune system, stimulate root growth and help rescue plants from environmental stress. B-vitamins are an important part of the process.

    Remember, the best time to use a B-vitamin blend is before environmental stress or a pathogen attack occurs. Under normal conditions, plants produce all of the vitamins that they need, but under stress, plant cells at the growing tips tend to shut down to conserve energy. Therefore, under heavy fruit load or during times of drought stress, heat stress, UV stress or salt stress, B-vitamin production may become inadequate and growth may stall. Adding a little B-vitamin blend directly to the nutrient solution or as a foliar spray before the problem occurs helps the plant recover much faster, stimulating the plant to keep growing instead of shutting down. So it might be best to think of B-vitamins as an insurance policy for your plants. A little extra B-vitamin blend in your feeding schedule can’t hurt, but it could make a big difference when plants are pushed beyond their limits!

    To amplify the beneficial effects of B-vitamins, its best to use them in conjunction with other biostimulants. In addition to B-vitamins, plant-growth-promoting rhizobacteria produce natural growth hormones, amino acids, mineral chelators and
    other growth factors. When used in combination, they can have a dramatic effect on quality and yield. Therefore, B-vitamins are commonly found as ingredients in cloning gels, root stimulants, kelp formulas, amino acid blends, and many other plant biostimulant products. A good B-vitamin blend should always be on the advanced gardener’s shelf!

    chuck estevez

    chuck estevez Well-Known Member

    I'll tell him to go read the science I posted, By university's, not some dude.
    chuck estevez

    chuck estevez Well-Known Member

    OG Gardenz

    OG Gardenz Active Member

    yes strictly about B-1... not the other B-Vitamins! did you read? B-Vitamins do not directly create roots that is correct, they help the plant by boosting its metabolism!

    Yes it is a myth that B-Vitamins directly create roots, but do they help with plant health... lets not be to ignorant just yet, off coarse they do!
    OG Gardenz

    OG Gardenz Active Member

    just the fact that microbes consume B-Vitamins so quickly and microbes are so key to plant health, alone is proof that it is a piece in the puzzle of plant nutrition!

    Runbho Active Member

    I’m not talking shit but I hear so much hate from Soooo many people about Advanced Nutrients. I get shit for using them. I’m really starting to wonder how many of these AN critics have actually used AN. My guess would be less than 1% and most of the hate comes from the inflated grow shop price. I buy my nutes online so for the most part they’re all the same price. Your avg 4l/1g of base nutes runs $70-80 for synthetics. I went with AN because it came in $135 cheaper than canna aqua for the full line excluding piranha and tarantula. I also skip the voodoo juice and use orca liquid by plant success and hydroguard. But I truly believe 99% of these AN haters only hate because they can’t afford to use them. I’ve used all kinds of nutes. For dirt I will only use earth juice for myself. Canna w/boost if I’m growing peat based for patients. But when it comes to hydro, AN is simply superior. I want to jump on the bandwagon and hate them. I hate their marketing, their smug ass douchy owner, their offensive retail prices. I get it. They’re easy to hate. But my plants mean more to me than politics. And the bottom line is, when growing recirc hydro, nothing can beat AN. It’s a nute that works great for me. I don’t EVER have to adjust Ph if I’m changing my rez at least every 10 days. I’m those 10 days the ph stays between 5.5 and 6.2. So easy. If somebody can tell me I can get this with another company I’d be open to trying it. But advance is incredibly easy and gives me the best results. Even organic big bud is the shit. Canna is great too but AN just has the edge.

    Runbho Active Member

    This is a beautiful response!

    DirtyEyeball696 Well-Known Member

    Watered down garbage. Cute bottles tho.

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    mmsmms123 Member

    i wanted to see what all the hype was about an so i tried the grandmaster lineup. i found that the resin is a bit stronger as in it does not fall off the bud. also it really lowers the amount of foilage compared to others. it had good smoke but here is why i will never buy one of their products again. i did 4 with an and 4 with dynagrow line up the an made these really resinous but dry while dyna grow in same conditions had the resin thick but it was more sticky. an nutrients stays lit while dynagro is a more hard compact bud. another tidbit is advanced nutrients dries even when in glass jar no idea why it just does
    Olive Drab Green

    Olive Drab Green Well-Known Member

    Roots Organics > AN, Dyna, GH/GO. That’s my opinion, but if any of you give it a go, I’ll bet that you’ll agree. Not watered down, and probably the best quality commercial organics around.

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