Acid... how to know?

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Take one blotter... wait a hour. Nothing? Take another... 30 minutes no effect.... jam your mouth with another.
If that blotter happened to be 5-MeO-aMT or Bromo-Dragonfly, you just potentially killed someone with your advice.

Get some shrooms man. 25 Bucks for a 1.5
Holy shit fuck that is expensive! I would be hard pressed to spend $25 for an eighth.

Is that possible without some sort of underlying condition?
When utilizing psychedelics, personally, everyone has underlying conditions.. one is simply at the mercy of the psychedelic to see which underlying conditions become present.
 

`Dave

Active Member
If that blotter happened to be 5-MeO-aMT or Bromo-Dragonfly, you just potentially killed someone with your advice.



Holy shit fuck that is expensive! I would be hard pressed to spend $25 for an eighth.

yeee shrooms are free hah
 

Krytical

Member
I appreciate your concern, I really do, but if it was either of those substances, wouldn't I already know that for sure after 7 hits? my friend who tried them said that he liked the 2 i gave him, so either he is just getting placebo and likes it enough to say "ehhhh, not really.." when I ask him if it was weak...
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
I appreciate your concern, I really do, but if it was either of those substances, wouldn't I already know that for sure after 7 hits?
Since the first two times explaining did not work, I will quote two important excerpts.. mind you they are focued on LSD, all other psychedelics should roughly apply.

"My experience indicated that the degree of sensitivity or resistance to LSD depends on complicated psychological factors rather than on variables of a constitutional, biological, or metabolic nature. Subjects who in everyday life have the need to maintain full self-control and have difficulties in relaxing and 'letting go' can sometimes resist relatively high dosages of LSD (300 to 500 micrograms) and show no detectable changes"

"Erwin, a twenty-two-year-old student, was referred to the LSD treatment program after four years of unsuccessful therapy for a severe obsessive-compulsive neurosis. Over the years, he had developed a very complicated system of obsessive thoughts and became so preoccupied with it that it paralyzed all his other activities. He was compelled to imagine in his mind's eye a geometrical structure with two coordinate axes and locate within this system all the problems and duties he encountered in his everyday life. At times he spent many hours desperately trying to find the proper location for some aspect of his existence, but always without success. Before admission, he felt that the center of gravity of his imaginary coordinate system was shifting to the left; this upset him enormously and resulted in feelings of tension, apprehension, anxiety, insecurity, and depression. In addition, Erwin suffered from various psychosomatic symptoms and tended to interpret them in a hypochondriacal way. He was referred for psycholytic therapy after several hospitalizations and unsuccessful treatment with tranquilizers, antidepressants, and drug-free psychotherapy. Erwin manifested a rather spectacular resistance to the effect of LSD. After psychological preparation of two weeks' duration, he started having regular LSD sessions in weekly intervals. The initial dose of 100 micrograms was increased by fifty to one hundred micrograms every week, since he barely showed any response. Finally, he was given 1500 micrograms intramuscularly, with the hope that this would overcome his resistance. Between the second and third hour of the session, when the effect of LSD usually culminates, Erwin felt bored and a little hungry; according to his description as well as external manifestations, nothing unusual was happening. He seemed to be so well composed and in such full control that he was allowed to go with the therapist to a kitchenette on the ward, cut a piece of bread with a knife, open a can of liver paste, and have a snack. After he was finished, he wanted to go to the social room in the ward and play chess, because he felt he needed some distraction from the uneventful and monotonous therapeutic experiment. It took thirty-eight high-dose sessions before Erwin's defense system was reduced to the point that he started regressing into childhood and reliving traumatic experiences."

Grof, Stanislav. "Heuristic Value of LSD Research." LSD Doorway to the Numinous: The Groundbreaking Psychedelic Research into Realms of the Human Unconscious. Rochester: Park Street, 2009. 25-26. Print.

So my question to you is, do you feel you have psychological issues? If not, you had bunk shit ;-)
 

Sgt. Floyd

Well-Known Member
I appreciate your concern, I really do, but if it was either of those substances, wouldn't I already know that for sure after 7 hits? my friend who tried them said that he liked the 2 i gave him, so either he is just getting placebo and likes it enough to say "ehhhh, not really.." when I ask him if it was weak...
How experienced is your friend with psychedelics?

Describe the blotter. Was it thick and stiff(:lol:)? <-- Serious question though. Did it have a taste?
 

Sgt. Floyd

Well-Known Member
Since the first two times explaining did not work, I will quote two important excerpts.. mind you they are focues on LSD, all other psychedelics should roughly apply.

"My experience indicated that the degree of sensitivity or resistance to LSD depends on complicated psychological factors rather than on variables of a constitutional, biological, or metabolic nature. Subjects who in everyday life have the need to maintain full self-control and have difficulties in relaxing and 'letting go' can sometimes resist relatively high dosages of LSD (300 to 500 micrograms) and show no detectable changes"

"Erwin, a twenty-two-year-old student, was referred to the LSD treatment program after four years of unsuccessful therapy for a severe obsessive-compulsive neurosis. Over the years, he had developed a very complicated system of obsessive thoughts and became so preoccupied with it that it paralyzed all his other activities. He was compelled to imagine in his mind's eye a geometrical structure with two coordinate axes and locate within this system all the problems and duties he encountered in his everyday life. At times he spent many hours desperately trying to find the proper location for some aspect of his existence, but always without success. Before admission, he felt that the center of gravity of his imaginary coordinate system was shifting to the left; this upset him enormously and resulted in feelings of tension, apprehension, anxiety, insecurity, and depression. In addition, Erwin suffered from various psychosomatic symptoms and tended to interpret them in a hypochondriacal way. He was referred for psycholytic therapy after several hospitalizations and unsuccessful treatment with tranquilizers, antidepressants, and drug-free psychotherapy. Erwin manifested a rather spectacular resistance to the effect of LSD. After psychological preparation of two weeks' duration, he started having regular LSD sessions in weekly intervals. The initial dose of 100 micrograms was increased by fifty to one hundred micrograms every week, since he barely showed any response. Finally, he was given 1500 micrograms intramuscularly, with the hope that this would overcome his resistance. Between the second and third hour of the session, when the effect of LSD usually culminates, Erwin felt bored and a little hungry; according to his description as well as external manifestations, nothing unusual was happening. He seemed to be so well composed and in such full control that he was allowed to go with the therapist to a kitchenette on the ward, cut a piece of bread with a knife, open a can of liver paste, and have a snack. After he was finished, he wanted to go to the social room in the ward and play chess, because he felt he needed some distraction from the uneventful and monotonous therapeutic experiment. It took thirty-eight high-dose sessions before Erwin's defense system was reduced to the point that he started regressing into childhood and reliving traumatic experiences."

So my question to you is, do you feel you have psychological issues? If not, you had bunk shit ;-)
Jeez, that must of had some serious issues.
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Jeez, that must of had some serious issues.
Very much so, and if it had not been for LSD therapy, he would never have recovered.

How are we to know which members here who utilize psychedelics have underlying psychological trauma?
 

IAm5toned

Well-Known Member
i think he got some bunk shit.

i know that if i took 7 hits of lsd-25... in a 24hour period... i wouldnt remember enough to tell you i had taken 7 hits lol
 

Sgt. Floyd

Well-Known Member
Very much so, and if it had not been for LSD therapy, he would never have recovered.

How are we to know which members here who utilize psychedelics have underlying psychological trauma?
That's a good point but would an underlying condition severe enough to counteract the affects of 7 hits of LSD not be obvious? Could a person be that "messed up" and not know?
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
That's a good point but would an underlying condition severe enough to counteract the affects of 7 hits of LSD not be obvious? Could a person be that "messed up" and not know?
Yes. Why do you think I know so much about it?
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
I take it none of you have ever met someone who is clinically sociopathic or psychopathic?
 

LarryTheStoner

Well-Known Member
If it was flimsy paper it was probably fake.

The hardest I have ever tripped is when I bought blotter that was thick and stiff it almost felt like cardboard and not blotter paper. I was balls to wall for 18+ hours. but that was the weekend bob wier was in town :wink: get your hands on some good stuff and you will know
 

Sgt. Floyd

Well-Known Member
If it was flimsy paper it was probably fake.

The hardest I have ever tripped is when I bought blotter that was thick and stiff it almost felt like cardboard and not blotter paper. I was balls to wall for 18+ hours. but that was the weekend bob wier was in town :wink: get your hands on some good stuff and you will know
As I'm sure people smarter than I will come here and say: That doesn't sound like acid.
 

Sr. Verde

Well-Known Member
I take it none of you have ever met someone who is clinically sociopathic or psychopathic?


I don't have any experience with that. I try to distance myself from people like that on a social level.

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Finally, he was given 1500 micrograms
I read that as 1500 milligrams and I was like wattt theeeee fuck... oh no wait micro! :) :lol:
 

Krytical

Member
ok, so, I took 5 at once, since I had previously taken 7 without problem over a few hours, felt it safe...

5 at once, hit me hard, for a minute my computer screen completely got circled in darkness and was a shifting swirling circle... quite beautiful actually... the different things I saw

I'm pissed, it seems like weak shit... shouldn't take 5 hits for this.... but I got was I was looking for after this....

so, provided I'm not crazy, and its weak shit... im coming down right now, would it be safe to re-dose? and how much? if I really liked where 5 got me? (considering im crazy and its strong, I still don't think the doses are lethal or even scary for a re-dose?)

oh and to those who asked, it was real blotter, I purchased it from blotterart and gave it the guy... he got it layed I guess? said it was from a mint thing, that why it tasted like mint, but I also tasted the metalic taste... oh and I do notice quite a bit of muscle... fatigue? stress? dunno...
 

Sgt. Floyd

Well-Known Member
If it's acid it would be pointless to redose now. Tolerance to LSD increases shortly after dosing so it would be a waste. What you describe sounds sketchy.
 

Trivial

Member
That sucks man, sounds like you could have psyched yourself out and possibly got some lowgrade stuff.

My hardest trip on acid was my first time, I took 1 hit at 11 pm, I had all the body high effects which was pretty awesome, only mild hallucinations. Little warping of the world distortions nothing to awesome. At 8 am, I didn't go to sleep, I hadn't eaten in a day, So i decided this would be a good time to just eat 4 more hits of acid.

Best idea I have ever had. I had hallucinations fullblown nonstop, constantly changing. I went the bathroom looked in the mirror and my skin had changed into tatoos of celtic/ ancient germanic designs and spiraling masses that was completely interlinked and breathed with me. Then I looked at my face and it was switching back n forth between millions of faces, even animals heads, my primary visual cortex had completely switched channels and everything was disappearing. When I walked out of the bathroom the hallway melted away and became a dancing cosmos, the carpet had turned into a cityscape.

So I walked into my room put on some music and started thinking about human history. Then right before me on my carpet as if watching a movie the history of the world began to unfold right before my eyes massive battles of people fighting eachother. That was the best hallucinogen trip of my entire life. Fullblown hallucinations lasted until about 4 pm or so then kinda faded out. I took 3 more hits later that day too but never got the hallucinations back. I am guessing it was probably about 50-70 micrgrams a hit.

That is how you know its acid, just my 2 cents.
 

Pipe Dream

Well-Known Member
if you get real acid you will know. Sometimes your body gets tricked into feeling like something strange but after about an hour if your not trippin you got ripped off. I have done it on a few occasions and there was never cartoons and crazy hallucinations like people say. Usually just colors from lights an things appearing to move or have trails than seeing things that don't exist. Anyways I prefer mushrooms you can grow them yourelf and doesn't mke my body ache the next day.
 
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