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Lucky Luke

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Communist theory may not be dead but it is disproven.
Has it though?
Has a country ever really given it a go? Russia tried their own version of Communism but it wasn't a Karl Marx system, in fact as Russia was so poor it was the opposite of when it needed to come into being. China's Socialism is certainly working economically, in fact they are out Capitalising America at the moment and America is resorting to Socialism to combat it (Tariffs and subsidies).
 
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hanimmal

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Has it though?
Has a country ever really given it a go? Russia tried their own version of Communism but it wasn't a Karl Marx system, in fact as Russia was so poor it was the opposite of when it needed to come into being. China's Socialism is certainly working economically, in fact they are out Capitalising America at the moment and America is resorting to Socialism to combat it (Tariffs)
Fair enough, I may have gotten too deep there thank you for pulling me back, sometimes the trolling does that.

It is all just a game at the end of the day, people will eventually figure out we are working way too hard and burning too much stuff for it.

I blame planned obsolescence. We need to become efficient.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Has it though?
Has a country ever really given it a go? Russia tried their own version of Communism but it wasn't a Karl Marx system, in fact as Russia was so poor it was the opposite of when it needed to come into being. China's Socialism is certainly working economically, in fact they are out Capitalising America at the moment and America is resorting to Socialism to combat it (Tariffs and subsidies).
In the future when technology takes care of our basic needs and things lose their value, perhaps a system similar to communism will be a viable alternative for some of society, if not the majority. Until utopia arrives we need capitalism to drive technological advances, sure governments fund most of the basic research, but where the rubber meets the road in deploying and evolving technology, we still need the incentives and competition that capitalism provides.

What we really need is to reduce or eliminate the political corruption that capitalism spawns and the lobbying and outright bribery it finances. Corruption tilts the playing field in favor of the rich and Adam Smith spoke of the need for government regulation, most right wing propagandist ignore this aspect of Smith and focus on the "hidden hand" of capitalism. Capitalism evolved with mankind and reflects our nature and what motivates us to action, need and greed get most of us out of bed in the morning and off to work. When most people have no work to go to then things will change because they can and the vast majority of people will want that change. Technology and trade make us richer year by year while needing fewer people do provide for our needs and a tipping point will be reached, as long as we can maintain democratic government.

That is why the republicans are willing to go totalitarian and divide and conquer the masses with social division over complete bullshit, their right wing ideology is in deep trouble. The current American republicans are composed of con men who serve the rich, and racist suckers who they pander to, and make promises they won't or can't keep. It's all about promising the fools they will "git the brown folks" while shoving as much money and tax breaks to the 1%. The republican base doesn't care about their own country for Christ's sake, much less about economics, all they want to hear is how their white privilege will be insured, they don't care if they burn their own country down over it either.

At this point in history political corruption and social division are the issue and it spawns the inequality that fuels much of the discontent. Capitalism can and does work best when political corruption is keep in check with effective laws, in America the democrats H.R.-1 is only the first step to controlling it. Lots of countries use a form of socialism, a successful blend of capitalism and socialist programs, corruption is the problem and is what is driving economic disparity, in America it uses, social division, racism and bigotry to maintain this status quo.
 

Budley Doright

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Again your blatant attempts to skew the truth are straight out of Trump's playbook. Clearly you do not care about truth, you care more about promoting propaganda and fueling hate. You attached quotes to something I never even said in an attempt to make them look like my words. Pathetic.
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“2. Race does matter when it comes to immigrants. Only 4% of immigrants are white. To turn a blind eye to that fact only serves to make you color blind.”

Ya you said it. Why would you lie?
 
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PJ Diaz

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Ya you said it. Why would you lie?
We've been thru this. I didn't lie, I made a mistake, which I owned up to. Mistakes happen The correct number is 17% not 4%. For some reason posters to this thread insist on re-quoting the incorrect number. That's misinformation, plain and simple. As I've previously said to this before..

If you go back and look at that original convo you will see that it was not based out of racism, but rather the importance of understand who exactly gets discriminated against, when we talk of "discrimination towards immigrants". The simple fact is that most of immigrants are not white, and bear the brunt of the immigration discrimination.
The other quote that UncleTrumpBuck attached to me, I never said. I do not defend neo-nazism at all. At the same time I do not believe that hate-speach directed at our opposition helps anything, which is why I condemn such remarks. Great civil rights leaders such as Ghandi and MLK did not believe that attacking opponents with hate and violence were productive, and I agree with that sentiment.
 

UncleBuck

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We've been thru this. I didn't lie, I made a mistake, which I owned up to. Mistakes happen The correct number is 17% not 4%. For some reason posters to this thread insist on re-quoting the incorrect number. That's misinformation, plain and simple. As I've previously said to this before..



The other quote that UncleTrumpBuck attached to me, I never said. I do not defend neo-nazism at all. At the same time I do not believe that hate-speach directed at our opposition helps anything, which is why I condemn such remarks. Great civil rights leaders such as Ghandi and MLK did not believe that attacking opponents with hate and violence were productive, and I agree with that sentiment.
Mrs. “race matters when it comes to immigration” just *somehow* missed the neo nazis dozen+ references to his white pride but got very upset the one time the admin called him a simpleton

Anyone else believe this fraud has such selective reading comprehension?
 

Budley Doright

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“Your remarks only prove to show that you do not care about truth,”
“You attached quotes to something I never even said”
But it was the truth right? And you did say it yes? Why lie, and why try and say you didn’t?
 

PJ Diaz

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“Your remarks only prove to show that you do not care about truth,”
“You attached quotes to something I never even said”
But it was the truth right? And you did say it yes? Why lie, and why try and say you didn’t?
That wasn't the quote I was referring to, it was this:

“Stop picking on that neo nazi!”
I've never said anything close to that, yet he placed the statement in quotes, to make it look as if he were quoting my words. This is disinformation, pure and simple; a Trumpian tactic.
 

UncleBuck

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That wasn't the quote I was referring to, it was this:



I've never said anything close to that, yet he placed the statement in quotes, to make it look as if he were quoting my words. This is disinformation, pure and simple; a Trumpian tactic.
it was an accurate paraphrase and I stand by it
 

Fogdog

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Do you understand that when we pay taxes our money goes right to exactly what you are talking about. Capitalism is not really anything other than humans buying and selling their goods and services based on their own decision making process.


Who is this magic politician that gets everything on their agenda done? How many issues have you truly studied? Like which legislation can you point to to discuss why you disagree with it.


What are you basing this on? How do Democrats say Religion has gone too far with? Like they believe too much crazy stuff, or they are breaking laws of separation of church and state kind of stuff? Because I would argue that is a policy issue and the religious people make it a religion issues. They really mean we want to inject our faith into the legislating of women's uteruses.


People have been tricked into thinking the world is far worse than it is by a constant barrage of hate and panic filled storylines.
It's ttystick. No need to reason with it. There is nothing in its head other than the propaganda he stuffed it with.
 

PJ Diaz

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it was an accurate paraphrase and I stand by it
It was not accurate. Of course you would stand by a disinformation campaign, that's your thing. Using quotes to paraphrase your personal interpretation is only further evidence of your quest towards propaganda and misinformation. You seemingly continuously operate out of Putin and Trump's playbook. Quite sad indeed.
 

UncleBuck

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It was not accurate. Of course you would stand by a disinformation campaign, that's your thing. Using quotes to paraphrase your personal interpretation is only further evidence of your quest towards propaganda and misinformation. You seemingly continuously operate out of Putin and Trump's playbook. Quite sad indeed.
So you weren’t telling the admin to stop picking on a neo nazi?
 

PJ Diaz

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So you weren’t telling the admin to stop picking on a neo nazi?
I suggested that an admin act like an admin, and that he refrain from attacks and insults. Whoever his attacks were directed towards were not part of my assessment. I don't believe that insulting and attacking those with opposing views is productive. That sort of behavior only serves to further divide us from those with opposing views rather than working towards unity.
 

UncleBuck

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I suggested that an admin act like an admin, and that he refrain from attacks and insults. Whoever his attacks were directed towards were not part of my assessment. I don't believe that insulting and attacking those with opposing views is productive. That sort of behavior only serves to further divide us from those with opposing views rather than working towards unity.
So you were indeed telling an admin to “refrain from attacks” (aka stop picking on) a neo nazi (whose repeated invocations of white power you so conveniently missed)

I was right, my paraphrase was accurate.

Thanks, racist
 

Budley Doright

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I suggested that an admin act like an admin, and that he refrain from attacks and insults. Whoever his attacks were directed towards were not part of my assessment. I don't believe that insulting and attacking those with opposing views is productive. That sort of behavior only serves to further divide us from those with opposing views rather than working towards unity.
WTF are you talking about? Most threads your on turns into you being an asshole and disparaging others. Sooo back to the “I never said that”. You seem worried that to many people of colour are coming to your country as refugees. Why are you worried? Do people of colour scare you? Please feel free to spell check and add corrections if needed.
 
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