A Batch of Clones in Rockwool

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Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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Thanks for that.

Whatever I write seems to turn into an 'Ask Al' thread.

I probably should make some sort of 'Ask Al' thread to keep folks from hijacking threads I've commented with queries directed at me instead of the thread's topic.
 
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DR. VonDankenstine

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Al B. Fuct said:
Thanks for that.

Whatever I write seems to turn into an 'Ask Al' thread.

I probably should make some sort of 'Ask Al' thread to keep folks from hijacking threads I've commented with queries directed at me instead of the thread's topic.
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Ran into a couple of problems---Maybe you can help sort it out?

1. I soaked the cubes in 5ph for 24hrs----had to add ph down a couple of times(the rinse solution wanted to keep climbing).
2. shook the water out of each cube till the weight was about 25grams
3. took cuttings and used fresh powder---stuck cubes.
4. put in trays and set heat mat to 82 deg.
5. Today is day10, and only 2 out of 10 showed roots.
You posted to use about 1 ml of 50% h202 per liter of water If I read correct-I was only able to source 35% h202-I don't think that would have made that much of a difference though---what do you think? I would like to get this method down--the 10 plants were just a test run but I was hoping to get 80-90% success rate.
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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Of course, you've done everything right.

One thing you've varied from my process is adding pHDown as the pre-soak soln rose in pH. I only set the water to 5 and chuck the cubes in.

35% is used at 1.7ml/L, compared to 1ml/L for 50%, but that would not have made much difference.

What was the air temp in your clonebox?
 
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DR. VonDankenstine

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Al B. Fuct said:
Of course, you've done everything right.

One thing you've varied from my process is adding pHDown as the pre-soak soln rose in pH. I only set the water to 5 and chuck the cubes in.

35% is used at 1.7ml/L, compared to 1ml/L for 50%, but that would not have made much difference.

What was the air temp in your clonebox?
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The temp is always 78deg-----the only other thing is we have hard----716ppm's h2o out of the tap----could that make a diff?---I do have an RO if needed----The clones are very healthy that I tried for the test.(their still very green and healthy----just no roots on 8 of them at day 10).--I'm going to set up another test run---any help would be very appreciated(I'd like to get this method down before the 1st). I will set the ph to 5 and toss the cubes in for 24/hrs(no-phdown)
 
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VictorVIcious

VictorVIcious

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Al B. Fuct said:
Thanks for that.

Whatever I write seems to turn into an 'Ask Al' thread.

I probably should make some sort of 'Ask Al' thread to keep folks from hijacking threads I've commented with queries directed at me instead of the thread's topic.
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I have often wondered if we could have a format for that type of a thread. Hubert started one like that a few months ago, I know I visited it several times.
Hope you enjoyed your vacation, I am sure you did since your op was being 'run right' while you were gone, BongJockey was spectacular as your stand in, is that were you learned your patience?
An Ask Al thread sound right. VV:blsmoke:
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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You know what happens when you come back from holidays? You get the flu from hanging around in airports with kids sneezing their heads off. Bleah. In bed all weekend.

DR. VonDankenstine said:
The temp is always 78deg-----the only other thing is we have hard----716ppm's h2o out of the tap----could that make a diff?---I do have an RO if needed----The clones are very healthy that I tried for the test.(their still very green and healthy----just no roots on 8 of them at day 10).--I'm going to set up another test run---any help would be very appreciated(I'd like to get this method down before the 1st). I will set the ph to 5 and toss the cubes in for 24/hrs(no-phdown)
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The high ppm you're seeing is coming from dissolved Ca & Mg. I have personally confirmed anecdotal evidence that N in clone watering solution seems to slow down rooting by several days, but I've not heard of nor confirmed the same using water high in Ca & Mg.

2/10 isn't good at all. Did you get more popping out in the following days?

I forgot to ask, do you have a heat mat? A proper heat mat set for 30C will speed things along and help consistency of rooting.

Puzzling over this one.
 
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DR. VonDankenstine

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Al B. Fuct said:
You know what happens when you come back from holidays? You get the flu from hanging around in airports with kids sneezing their heads off. Bleah. In bed all weekend.



The high ppm you're seeing is coming from dissolved Ca & Mg. I have personally confirmed anecdotal evidence that N in clone watering solution seems to slow down rooting by several days, but I've not heard of nor confirmed the same using water high in Ca & Mg.

2/10 isn't good at all. Did you get more popping out in the following days?

I forgot to ask, do you have a heat mat? A proper heat mat set for 30C will speed things along and help consistency of rooting.

Puzzling over this one.
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had one more pop in the first run 3/10----The second test came out 5 out of 10-------I do use a heat mat------seems the strain super silver haze a little sensitive to this cloning tec. I have an idea-------If you give me your tap water ppm I will dilute mine to match with RO( I think this will be as close to what your doing as possible) I will also add 1.7ml/L h202 instead of the 1ml/L I used the last 2 times. also------what is the ph of your tap water?
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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Aha. The difference is the heat mat. Gotta get a proper horticultural heat mat.

My tapwater is about 140-200ppm (that's all the resolution you get out of a Truncheon) and 7.1 at the moment.

Doubt it's the strain. I've never had trouble cloning anything when I get the conditions right.

It's midwinter here now and I'm having a spot of trouble because my clonebox isn't staying warm enough, averaging 10 days right now.
 
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DR. VonDankenstine

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Al B. Fuct said:
Aha. The difference is the heat mat. Gotta get a proper horticultural heat mat.

My tapwater is about 140-200ppm (that's all the resolution you get out of a Truncheon) and 7.1 at the moment.

Doubt it's the strain. I've never had trouble cloning anything when I get the conditions right.

It's midwinter here now and I'm having a spot of trouble because my clonebox isn't staying warm enough, averaging 10 days right now.
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My heat-mat is a 4 tray width from GENERAL HYDROPONICS, it has a thermostat with a medium probe-----I have an exergen therm gun that I have checked it with---the mat is within + or - 2 deg of were I set it. Tell me about the proper horticulture heat mat you are talking about???----does it have a temp sensor in the mat itself? And thanks for the prompt reply-----The water info will help me replicate your set-up-----maybe this time 8/10:mrgreen:---------one more question----do you give them any other water or mist during the ten days of cloning ?
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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DR. VonDankenstine said:
My heat-mat is a 4 tray width from GENERAL HYDROPONICS, it has a thermostat with a medium probe-----I have an exergen therm gun that I have checked it with---the mat is within + or - 2 deg of were I set it. Tell me about the proper horticulture heat mat you are talking about???----does it have a temp sensor in the mat itself? And thanks for the prompt reply-----The water info will help me replicate your set-up-----maybe this time 8/10:mrgreen:---------one more question----do you give them any other water or mist during the ten days of cloning ?
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hang on, how did I get the idea you didn't have a mat? *sigh* Jet lag + flu sux.

Right, back to the dwg board.

No, I don't mist anything.

OK, your clonebox temps are ~78F (25.5C), just a bit cool, but should be close enough for rock'n'roll, heat mat is at 28-30C, cubes not overwet, everything sterile when doing the cuttings... you got me, Charlie. With conds like that you ought to be getting 100% in 7-10 days. Let me know what you get when using different water.

OK, back to bed for me... yuk.
 
firsttimegrowerr

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Hey al do you think mini RW cubes or hydroton rocks are better as a medium?
Also my mohter plants are in 6in pots right now and there getting kind of big, should i transplant to a bigger pot or theyll be fine in the 6in. THANKS AL!

 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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firsttimegrowerr said:
Hey al do you think mini RW cubes or hydroton rocks are better as a medium?
Also my mohter plants are in 6in pots right now and there getting kind of big, should i transplant to a bigger pot or theyll be fine in the 6in. THANKS AL!
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They will be OK in 6" pots for a while. Eventually, after taking several batches of cuttings from them, they will become rootbound. At that point, it's time to replace them with one of their 'kids,' but you can repot into bigger pots if you like, provided there's no nest of gnats which have taken a liking to your rootballs.

If you don't need a batch of cuttings within the next couple of weeks, I'd prune back your mums to about half their present size. The regrowth will have thicker stems.

Pellets allow you to flood 3-5x per lights-on cycle; RW will only let you flood about 1x per 'day.' Because you can flood pellets more often, you can get more oxygenated nute soln through the roots, which will improve vigor and yield. However, RW holds more water, a good insurance policy if there's a watering sys failure.

still sick, back to bed, cya
 
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firsttimegrowerr

firsttimegrowerr

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is pruning them, just basically topping the whole plant?
Wont my plants get to bushy? I have alot of vertical space but not alot horziontaly.

Thanks AL! hope you feel better and glad that your back!
 
firsttimegrowerr

firsttimegrowerr

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Sorry AL came up with another question,

I decided to change my medium to hydroton rocks so i can flood more often.
How high and how often do you suggest i flood them?
Since im using hydroton should i flood higher then 2-3in up the pot?

THANKS!
 
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DR. VonDankenstine

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Al B. Fuct said:
hang on, how did I get the idea you didn't have a mat? *sigh* Jet lag + flu sux.

Right, back to the dwg board.

No, I don't mist anything.

OK, your clonebox temps are ~78F (25.5C), just a bit cool, but should be close enough for rock'n'roll, heat mat is at 28-30C, cubes not overwet, everything sterile when doing the cuttings... you got me, Charlie. With conds like that you ought to be getting 100% in 7-10 days. Let me know what you get when using different water.

OK, back to bed for me... yuk.
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Brother-get felling better---I'm going back in----wish me luck---rockwool-cubes---here I come!!!:mrgreen:
 
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XabiAlonso14

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new to the forum. trying to clone for first time, great advice Al B, my question is can i put my clones in my glasshouse outside for their veg stage, it varies in temp. usually about 70-80 degrees, i cant see anyone mention greenhouses, are they too hot? or is it that they are outside and people are security concious
 
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