well for this one they are well beyond the start of flower lol, the autos have been in flower for over 2 weeks and the other 5 im just goin to jump to flowerin in the next week because they are gettin to tall for my 5 foot box, i topped the two sativas once and they still grew another foot and are steadily creepin closer to my light, i even had to sadly cut the top of one of my autos because for some reason one grew 3 times the size of the rest and the cola was about 6 inches from my light so I cut off about 8 inches of it down to the 2nd to top node which will effect the outcome for sure but better the plant produce a little less an be in shock than risk a fire from a bud being 4inches from a hps/mh bulb