40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

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Thundercat

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I was looking around on the computer and some things popped up in the ads (no not pornhub lmao) and got me thinking...



Got me thinking how cool these tools and others like them (I didn't look long) would be especially for those running large recirculating hydro systems. I know the pros do this in their commercial gardens allowing them to simply add back what element/s are lacking instead of dumping all the time.

So you get a solid analysis on what the plants like for feed at any point in their cycle, make that your baseline elemental PPM's. You can test the nutrients regularly and see what elements are being consumed and at what rates, then you can address the shortages without adding excess in other areas.

You can also tune your feed to what the plant is really pulling out of the nutrient solution.

You could chart the elemental consumption over time and if you run into a condition that is favorable you can see exactly what it was that changed.

This is something I will have to put on my wish list and play with when I have more time.
Yeah I’ve wanted to do that for years, but only recently found out about the tech. I don’t know how long it’s actually been out. It would be great to Set up a very precise almost automated system for perfectly dialing in a plants needs.
 

Renfro

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Yeah I’ve wanted to do that for years, but only recently found out about the tech. I don’t know how long it’s actually been out. It would be great to Set up a very precise almost automated system for perfectly dialing in a plants needs.
I wish the cuvettes weren't so costly, wonder if they can be reused since they are glass. The reagents are also costly. Looking at the options, it seems like it can test for all the elements we would want to track, including even dissolved oxygen, chlorine. Really would eliminate any guess work. I am considering that with this I could use my tap water since it's around 180 PPM, probably mostly calcium and magnesium. If I can quantify exactly how much is there and only add whats required to get it where I want then I can ditch the RO filter and save some hassle there (I hate changing the filters).
 

Bignutes

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I wish the cuvettes weren't so costly, wonder if they can be reused since they are glass. The reagents are also costly. Looking at the options, it seems like it can test for all the elements we would want to track, including even dissolved oxygen, chlorine. Really would eliminate any guess work. I am considering that with this I could use my tap water since it's around 180 PPM, probably mostly calcium and magnesium. If I can quantify exactly how much is there and only add whats required to get it where I want then I can ditch the RO filter and save some hassle there (I hate changing the filters).
Are you on city or town water? If you are contact the city they will have a lab breakdown of their supplied water if it's not supplied on their website. Otherwise if your on well water you take it to a lab for testing.

Water collection from rain or snow is almost pure water too. My downspout water is 25 ppm, gives me full control but for soil not as important.
 

Renfro

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Are you on city or town water? If you are contact the city they will have a lab breakdown of their supplied water if it's not supplied on their website. Otherwise if your on well water you take it to a lab for testing.

Water collection from rain or snow is almost pure water too. My downspout water is 25 ppm, gives me full control but for soil not as important.
Well the water does change as it goes thru pipes and my water values change when our reservoir seasonally turns. Also want to be able to test nutrients.
 

killakanna

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I was looking around on the computer and some things popped up in the ads (no not pornhub lmao) and got me thinking...



Got me thinking how cool these tools and others like them (I didn't look long) would be especially for those running large recirculating hydro systems. I know the pros do this in their commercial gardens allowing them to simply add back what element/s are lacking instead of dumping all the time.

So you get a solid analysis on what the plants like for feed at any point in their cycle, make that your baseline elemental PPM's. You can test the nutrients regularly and see what elements are being consumed and at what rates, then you can address the shortages without adding excess in other areas.

You can also tune your feed to what the plant is really pulling out of the nutrient solution.

You could chart the elemental consumption over time and if you run into a condition that is favorable you can see exactly what it was that changed.

This is something I will have to put on my wish list and play with when I have more time.
Whoa. I was just talking to a sales rep at Growlink about adding this to their automated fertigation. Great minds think alike eh? ;)
 

Bignutes

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Do you have a roofline to collect water? You could buy a used 1000 or 1250 litre tote to collect rainwater for less than $100. A rainfall amount of 3/8" on a 1500 sq ft rooftop building would collect you 1300 litres of water in one dump. If your on town water it saves you water and sewer and beyond the tote it's free water with next to zero ppm, you would just have to test your shingles as new ones can affect your ph and ppm.
 

Renfro

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Do you have a roofline to collect water? You could buy a used 1000 or 1250 litre tote to collect rainwater for less than $100. A rainfall amount of 3/8" on a 1500 sq ft rooftop building would collect you 1300 litres of water in one dump. If your on town water it saves you water and sewer and beyond the tote it's free water with next to zero ppm, you would just have to test your shingles as new ones can affect your ph and ppm.
Colorado only allows a specific amount of rain water collection, I think it's 55 or 110 gallons. They didn't allow any collection until a year or two ago.
 

Renfro

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Brutal law
I just checked and they did change the law allowing up to 110 gallons of collection.

"Most homeowners in Colorado are now allowed to use rain barrels to collect rainwater. A maximum of two rain barrels with a combined storage of 110 gallons or less are allowed at each household. Collected rainwater may be used to irrigate outdoor lawns, plants or gardens."
 

Sif1

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I just checked and they did change the law allowing up to 110 gallons of collection.

"Most homeowners in Colorado are now allowed to use rain barrels to collect rainwater. A maximum of two rain barrels with a combined storage of 110 gallons or less are allowed at each household. Collected rainwater may be used to irrigate outdoor lawns, plants or gardens."
Hi Renfro,

Without a doubt, this is the best journal I've ever read. Your knowledge and willingness to share it is amazing. Congratulations on your grows, and a BIG thanks for sharing your knowledge and being a decent human.

Thanks for sharing quality info. It's a rear commodity these days.

I'm from New Zealand, we still get 5k Lb.
 

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Renfro

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So I think I am going to try using my tap water instead of RO. An experiment. lol

Right now my tap is at 200 PPM and 7.35 pH. I mixed my veg mix with tap water, sans the normal calimagic and it came right to 1002 PPM and 6.9 pH. Not too shabby considering I am watering around 7.0 since my medium ends up at 6.5 when watered at that number, after some hard correction that already took place. So we will see how they like that, I will first try it on a row and use the RO feed with the calimagic and a healthy dose of pH up.

My reason for doing this is two fold. Firstly when I mix my RO feed the pH ends up too low for my liking and I have to add the pH up which causes calcium to precipitate out of the mix. I haven't seen any issues from that but I don't like it lol. Second I just hate changing RO filters. So it would really be nice to eliminate that requirement.

We will see how the plants like it, I don't anticipate any issues since our water's PPM is mostly comprised of calcium and magnesium.

Something I thought was cool, I grabbed my bluelab soil pH pen after 4 months of sitting idle (in the KCL storage solution) and I checked in some 7.0 calibration solution, it read 7.0. Not too shabby.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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So I think I am going to try using my tap water instead of RO. An experiment. lol

Right now my tap is at 200 PPM and 7.35 pH. I mixed my veg mix with tap water, sans the normal calimagic and it came right to 1002 PPM and 6.9 pH. Not too shabby considering I am watering around 7.0 since my medium ends up at 6.5 when watered at that number, after some hard correction that already took place. So we will see how they like that, I will first try it on a row and use the RO feed with the calimagic and a healthy dose of pH up.

My reason for doing this is two fold. Firstly when I mix my RO feed the pH ends up too low for my liking and I have to add the pH up which causes calcium to precipitate out of the mix. I haven't seen any issues from that but I don't like it lol. Second I just hate changing RO filters. So it would really be nice to eliminate that requirement.

We will see how the plants like it, I don't anticipate any issues since our water's PPM is mostly comprised of calcium and magnesium.

Something I thought was cool, I grabbed my bluelab soil pH pen after 4 months of sitting idle (in the KCL storage solution) and I checked in some 7.0 calibration solution, it read 7.0. Not too shabby.
Good to hear it held calibration!.. We may be in the same aquifer, even tho Im in Ok... the guy that drilled our well said that this aquifer is fed by Colorado melting snow, rain, etc, and it takes 7 years for it to get here from there. Your numbers are right on par with my well water. It floats around just a little 277ppm-325ish.... its hard as fuck, but it's clean. I get about a 7.6 - 7.8PH out of the tap. It'll be interesting to see how this experiment turns out!
 

Renfro

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Good to hear it held calibration!.. We may be in the same aquifer, even tho Im in Ok... the guy that drilled our well said that this aquifer is fed by Colorado melting snow, rain, etc, and it takes 7 years for it to get here from there. Your numbers are right on par with my well water. It floats around just a little 277ppm-325ish.... its hard as fuck, but it's clean. I get about a 7.6 - 7.8PH out of the tap. It'll be interesting to see how this experiment turns out!
My tap comes from the Pueblo reservoir, fed off the Arkansas river.
 

Thundercat

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So I think I am going to try using my tap water instead of RO. An experiment. lol

Right now my tap is at 200 PPM and 7.35 pH. I mixed my veg mix with tap water, sans the normal calimagic and it came right to 1002 PPM and 6.9 pH. Not too shabby considering I am watering around 7.0 since my medium ends up at 6.5 when watered at that number, after some hard correction that already took place. So we will see how they like that, I will first try it on a row and use the RO feed with the calimagic and a healthy dose of pH up.

My reason for doing this is two fold. Firstly when I mix my RO feed the pH ends up too low for my liking and I have to add the pH up which causes calcium to precipitate out of the mix. I haven't seen any issues from that but I don't like it lol. Second I just hate changing RO filters. So it would really be nice to eliminate that requirement.

We will see how the plants like it, I don't anticipate any issues since our water's PPM is mostly comprised of calcium and magnesium.

Something I thought was cool, I grabbed my bluelab soil pH pen after 4 months of sitting idle (in the KCL storage solution) and I checked in some 7.0 calibration solution, it read 7.0. Not too shabby.
Dude I switched to tap years ago and never looked back. As long as it’s decent tap you are gonna save so much time and money.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Dude I switched to tap years ago and never looked back. As long as it’s decent tap you are gonna save so much time and money.
Man.. I was on Rural Water District for years. It's the same damn water I get now, but alot cheaper with your own well. I think it was roughly $8500 for the drill/well/wellhouse.. I got a bill about 4 years ago for $714.00 for that month. My dad was watering the piss out of everything that grew. I had to choke him out!... but now, we can run 7 tower sprinklers 24/7 and keep everything green (mostly lawn) for about 18 bucks a week (cost for pump power) for all water/showers, laundry, anything water. It's 220 ft deep to the bottom of the aquifer, and hit water at 70 ft. So!. we have 150 ft of water we can draw from... dude told me that if we ran it 24/7, my great, great grandkids would still not run out of water... I told him I dont have grandkids. LOL
 
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