40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

ozziebud said:

another question for ya renfro how close are you running your 1000wde ive added a third light to middle plant think its starting to bleach the leaves mainly on middle plant bottom leaves nice green tops starting toget lighter in color i think maybe the middle plant is getting to much overlapping light from side lights plus one above there at 4.2 feet above canopy at moment cant go higher set at 1000View attachment 4354669

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Well I don't have any issues with bleaching at 30 inches directly under the light and 20 inches off towards the perimeters. I have never had bleaching in the center between my lights even if the plants get up really really tall, I think because the light is hitting from different angles? Could it be that your feed strength is low and the plants want a little more, or pH is off and they can't get the food thats provided? Your setup shouldn't be light bleaching, not even remotely close to bleaching at those distances. Of course you understand that with the HPS lighting I am unable to see the bleaching but I can see that your lights are more than far enough from the canopy to prevent bleaching.

With my DE's I don't raise and lower them, I just hang them as high as I can and let the plants grow to them.

Anyways, I hope this was helpful.

So I had a chance to go and meet up with a member from this site yesterday. I will leave their username out and if they want to say who they are then thats great! We had dinner at Freddy's in the Springs, I went with my girl and my buddy that has the fire hoard of beans and breeders cuts. We hung out for about an hour maybe and shot the shit over some really good burgers. A good time was had by all!

This unnamed member and I had already met once before at a little party in Fort Collins with several RIU members back about 5 years ago ish.

Would be cool to have a Colorado gathering of trusted RIU members. Invite only type thing of course, for security reasons, don't have to be from Colorado to get an invite. Everyone could trade genetics, stories, smoke out... We really should try and figure this out. Probably a pipe dream as everyone is busy and has lives but shit, it could be a real blast provided we can find a good place to meet and get a good group of members there. I know it was fun when we did it like 5 years ago... Perhaps there is already a thread on the matter that I am missing?

fucking insane setup dude

Anon25314 said:

fucking insane setup dude

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Thanks! Over 6 years of work into building it. It all started with 4 lights in what is currently my veg room. I planned it all out to the last detail. Built all the walls and ran all the electrical to start so I would be able to keep growing while upgrading. First year or so the first flowering room (room A) ran with no AC or CO2, just lots of fresh filtered air, air cooled lights, running at night. Then I upgraded room A to AC and CO2. Next was to setup room B with equipment and fire it up on the flip. Now I look back at all the work sometimes when I am down there and remember the journey lol. All the busted knuckles and trips to the hardware store. It never would have gotten done had I not gotten the divorce lol.

Renfro said:

Thanks! Over 6 years of work into building it. It all started with 4 lights in what is currently my veg room. I planned it all out to the last detail. Built all the walls and ran all the electrical to start so I would be able to keep growing while upgrading. First year or so the first flowering room (room A) ran with no AC or CO2, just lots of fresh filtered air, air cooled lights, running at night. Then I upgraded room A to AC and CO2. Next was to setup room B with equipment and fire it up on the flip. Now I look back at all the work sometimes when I am down there and remember the journey lol. All the busted knuckles and trips to the hardware store. It never would have gotten done had I not gotten the divorce lol.

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Finding the right girl is key, man.

ttystikk said:

Finding the right girl is key, man.

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lol my ex wife was a fucking money pit. Fortunately she is someone elses problem now.

Hi Renfro, sorry if you already answered this, I only had time to read the first 11 pages or so, but how long do you veg those monstercropped plants before you flip? I vegged my plants for 6 weeks under 315 cmh in 7 gallons and they arent even close to the size yours are.

I have a 4x8 tent with 4x 315cmh and I'm about to set up a room with two 4x8 tables. And use the 4x8 tent for veg. Is it better to veg them under MH or HPS? Or should I keep on with CMH.

I am soooooooooooooooo impressed by what you have going on. Teach me your ways!

Renfro said:

lol my ex wife was a fucking money pit. Fortunately she is someone elses problem now.

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Wish there was an agree button on this site...

Poppingoff said:

Hi Renfro, sorry if you already answered this, I only had time to read the first 11 pages or so, but how long do you veg those monstercropped plants before you flip?

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It varies, I have found that vegging for about 40 days in the veg room and a couple weeks in the flower rooms works really well, definitely pulled 50+ on the 12 glue plants this round.

Poppingoff said:

I'm about to set up a room with two 4x8 tables.

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Thats more suited to a SoG style grow and not growing massive plants.

Poppingoff said:

Is it better to veg them under MH or HPS? Or should I keep on with CMH.

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Totally your call. HPS will make taller plants, MH will make shorter ones, CMH is in between. I have done all of the above. Right now I have a couple nanolux 1kW DE CMH lights in veg that I am very pleased with.

Renfro said:

Thats more suited to a SoG style grow and not growing massive plants.

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Thanks so much brotha. I don't want to abuse your time so feel free to ignore but, I was going to do 18 in 3 gals under 4x315 cmh any recommendations or changes you think I should make? I have not bought my lights yet. 50P's is outstanding, where did you get the seeds?

Poppingoff said:

where did you get the seeds?

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The real Gorilla Glue 4 is a cut only.

Poppingoff said:

I was going to do 18 in 3 gals under 4x315 cmh any recommendations or changes you think I should make?

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Well the only way I have really ever run tables is a no veg SoG. I used 1kW HPS lights over 4x4 area (2 per 4x8 table). I ran 48 plants per 4x4 area, 7 x 7 grid minus one for the tray fittings. Using 6" square pots with hydroton. I would pot really well rooted clones (20 day root) and flower them. Lollipop at day 20. Ended up with 48 colas per light, plants averaged 20 - 21 grams dry.

You want a strain that really stretches after flip to do that no veg SoG. Otherwise you end up with short little plants that don't yield. My Shiva strain I ran would end up 40 - 44 inches tall, clones were cut 6 inches long and were probably 8 inches when they were potted after 20 day root.

Renfro said:

You want a strain that really stretches after flip to do that no veg SoG. Otherwise you end up with short little plants that don't yield. My Shiva strain I ran would end up 40 - 44 inches tall, clones were cut 6 inches long and were probably 8 inches when they were potted after 20 day root.

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That sounds like a perfect strain, what a stretch! Is that cut only too? Thanks man I will start researching and working on it. I appreciate the advice.

I got that Shiva as a pack of beans from Nirvana back in like 2003. It was a beast, 8 of 10 were female, of those two made massive colas. Truly ripe in 60 days. Those two were used as mother stock, eventually narrowed to one that rooted a little faster and I grew her for 7 years. It was a pure land race indica from the India Pakistan border. It hardly grew during veg, probably due to their dry climate, but when she started flowering she would shoot up. Very hashy taste, mega potent. In 7 years nobody ever built up a tolerance for that strain. The best strain I ever had and I would pay a lot to get it back.

Hey Renfro,
That's almost the same as how I did it...only 3'x3' trays...with 400 hps. I was on a White Widow kick when I was doing that. Clean and easy way to grow.

Wanted to ask you...what clone medium do you use. Rockwool would be the obvious first choice. I love the stuff.

Hey I was watching some back episodes of Dark Angel...I'm a major Jessica Alba fan. The chief of police chasing down the altered children was named RENFRO. That wan't you I hope. lol
JD

JohnDee said:

Wanted to ask you...what clone medium do you use. Rockwool would be the obvious first choice. I love the stuff.

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I don't like rockwool. Had a lot of bad luck with that stuff and PM loves it. I use rapid rooters and I get 99.9 - 100% success. I have been using the rapid rooters for about 17 years.

Poppingoff said:

Is that cut only too?

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I got that from a pack of seeds from Nirvana back in '03. Can't find it anymore just crosses.

JSheeze said:

Whats a good 4x4 yield for you guys?

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I pull 24 to 26 zips of trimmed smokable buds in my 4 x 4, both vertically and horizontally with two 315W CMH.

Renfro said:

I don't like rockwool. Had a lot of bad luck with that stuff and PM loves it. I use rapid rooters and I get 99.9 - 100% success. I have been using the rapid rooters for about 17 years.

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Well I'm sort of stuck with it. Last summer I got a little crazy with a Grow Shop forclosure auction...and now I have 4 cases (minus what I've used) sitting in my shed. I've always had good luck using it for clones...and just recently I vegged a White Widow in a 3"x3" block. Just top watered avery couple days and it did great. I cover the top to avoud algae...but PM, not so far.

Never tried the Rapid Rooters though.
Cheers,
JD

So I just harvested the tent today. The nugs are very impressive, dense, heavy, frosty. I am very pleased with the LED light setup. The hydro setup did it's job well, minimal work on my part, good production. Same nutes for the whole run, only RO top offs and little nute adds to keep the PPM, small pH adjusts. Ran the reservoir at 35 gallons for the first 30 days then added 5 more gallons with more bloom in the mix. I am very happy with the first run in the tent. I will try and post some pics later.

My buddy and I plan to sprout some candy rain beans and do a little pheno hunt to get a good mommy.

Hey @JohnDee looks like I may need your advice. My buddy dropped off a bunch of cuts that are in the rooting process, they are in rockwool cubes. lol