31k flowering watts + Veg room Pics...A MESS! Need advice...be kind.

So with out ranting on and on...... I took a little leave from growing. No I didnt get locked up, I just had some personal problems I had to sort out.

What I'm left with is a mess of a grow....cleanings things tonight as I listen to fire works. I have built and ran with success many different styles of grows in my life. All my favorites have been hydro its how I was taught, and when I switched to dirt I have not been really into it including hauling away 30 gallon smart pots after harvest.

I have attached some pics of where I stand now after the last few weeks of building..... please dont bash me too hard. I know things are messy and took pictures out of shame that will force me to clean up my act and take pictures as I go. Starting tonight.

I have a 3 bedroom house including a 24'x18' garage. For the last week, I have been setting up my NFT grow thats in my back flower room. I'm just starting to clean and build my garage. Currently there is 6,000 watts up under a 8 plant scrog in 20 gallon hard pots and 30 gallon smart pots. The plants where vegged for 7+ months as I took my break. So needless to say there huge and have been flowering for 7 days.

I bought a heavy duty shelving system today that will house 3 ez clone 120 sites and 1 EZ-clone 60 site for the veg room.

I also made some bubble buckets for my mom.... see pic. I will have 4 of these one with a granddaddy purple mother, a Chem 91 mother, a LSD mother, and a G-13 mother.

You will see the picture of the NFT tube system I set up, transplanting GDP in it tonight instead of using all 75 sites. I'm going to space every other hole. Because I dont have enough clones at the moment, its ok I will just veg them for 7to10days, take some cuttings and flower. I have had good success in the past running this NFT style SCROG lots of plants, and I take my clones right out of the EZ cloner transplant to NFT and flower the same day. Usually getting about a pound per light depending on strain ect.....

In the garage I have 2 1/2 HP res chillers, I was going to use one each for my 100 gallon res and run Titans Oceanus controllers. I have ran both DIY undercurrents with 27 gallon totes and MPB's.
At first things where great, and on vertical lighting the plants usually where around 2 to 3 pounds a plant. But when I'm not conserned about numbers I like the ease of my NFT set up. It's hard to beat straight up numbers.

My lighting at the moment is taking a hit due to the fact that my 3 ton mini split just went belly up on me. So I have another 2 ton on the way but for the time being im running a 14,000btu portable in my garage and only running the 6 1,000 watts in the garage.....tomorrow I will hook up the other 6 all air vented and wait for the 2 ton to be installed.

My question is this I wanted to run half my garage 12 lights under the NFT tubes, and the other half on titans DWC.
I bought 4 gallon square pots and the mesh inserts and I am planning on running Hydroton. I was going to run about 32 to 48 plants off the 2 titan controllers, each has its own 100 gallon res. Then I started looking at my Tough plastics 27 gallon totes I have from when I ran the undercurrent. And thought about sealing the undercurrent holes of course, and using those and running less plants. I would just build system to go from the EZ cloner to the net pots, veg for 4 more weeks at most, and then straight to titan DWC and flower.

What do you guys think? I would have more room and the buckets are the same height so the water level should not be an issue. Or I can just stick with the 4 gallons they come with...I still want to veg them out for at least a couple weeks in the bigger net pots out of the ez cloner before transplant.

I hope I'm not losing anyone....... if so just ask me to clarify.

So the garage will have 24,000 watts four rows of six half NFT and Half DWC.

And my back room is currently running running 2 tons of A/C and 7,000 watts 4 air vented hoods over the NFT tubes and 3 air vented over the 4x8 tray, the tray may be swapped out for more tubes but as of now it's going to be a top feed drain to waste or a ebb and flow filled with hydroton, As far as cooling the lights I have a filter under my house and cut a hole in the floor most is hard duct work with a 6 inch pushing air and a 8'' can HO pulling. All on its own air source. There is a Co2 controller and bottle in the room. I will be filling the bottle soon.
The Dirt plants you see in the picture will be the last of my dirt.

I almost forgot my veg room has a 12,000 btu portable a/c also currently with a 600 watt MH NextGen ballest and a 1,000 watt MH on a Lumatek. Also have a HO 4' 8 lamp T5 fixture and 4 4' T8's over most my cloners... I will post pics tonight when the room is clean!!!!! and the cloners are up.

Would love any ideas...... I have been thinking about running the whole garage DWC or the whole garage NFT....

But I like the half and half Idea. Because running all NFT puts me at a 750 plant count for the whole house in flower not counting cloners..... mothers ect.... I'm not too worried about numbers but managing the moms, cloners ect.... is a bitch. It does pay off due to Zero veg time means more harvest per year. But I'm looking for something in the middle I can just get dialed.

I will update you with pictures and what ever may change.

Thanks in advance, and im open to any advice. Help me make this a good one! Just no advice about running less numbers.... and this may or may not be legal.

Let the games begin!

-Commercial

Jez you don't f*&# around do you! Grow journal this and im sub'd for sure.

Good luck with the full time job and power bill

I transplanted part of the NFT last night and passed out. I will update with pics tonight.

-Commercial

im just gonna say WOW!!

How do you use that much power safely?
Do you run the ballast 120 or 240?
Either way rou pulling Atleast 300-400 amps of current.
what is needed to run 40k watts in a house?

NIiiiiice work hommie! IMO you could ditch DWC and NFT to run all 24 garage lights over 96 7 gallon SWC top drip bucket system with hydrotron. This would produce more numbers and clean up all the dirt and NFT maintenance, streamline your hydro into one cohesive system, utilize the two 100 gallons, same controllers, 2" vinal feed lines connecting the buckets with a push flow system. Less work, less nutes, less water, better system. The hydro store in reno has the system and is the only producer in the country that has 7 gallon black buckets and the 2" vinyl lines. This dude Pat is basically changing the way we all do hydro and making it super easy to produce huge numbers without all the rot and bubblers in DWC and all the clogged drip lines and slime in NFT. If you got any questions hit me up!

full of purple said:

How do you use that much power safely?
Do you run the ballast 120 or 240?
Either way rou pulling Atleast 300-400 amps of current.
what is needed to run 40k watts in a house?

Click to expand...

Fucking amazing but i agree, 40k watts seems to me like a red flag to any person watching power usage.

101 Runner said:

NIiiiiice work hommie! IMO you could ditch DWC and NFT to run all 24 garage lights over 96 7 gallon SWC top drip bucket system with hydrotron. This would produce more numbers and clean up all the dirt and NFT maintenance, streamline your hydro into one cohesive system, utilize the two 100 gallons, same controllers, 2" vinal feed lines connecting the buckets with a push flow system. Less work, less nutes, less water, better system. The hydro store in reno has the system and is the only producer in the country that has 7 gallon black buckets and the 2" vinyl lines. This dude Pat is basically changing the way we all do hydro and making it super easy to produce huge numbers without all the rot and bubblers in DWC and all the clogged drip lines and slime in NFT. If you got any questions hit me up!

Click to expand...

Hydroton management was the reason I went to DWC. My friend started using it to landscape his yard (using it in his gardens like beauty bark). Not the smartest disposal plan, but he got tired of endlessly finding new places to get rid of it. Fortunately for him he has moved and is now running a DWC undercurrent system.

I am currently running a DIY undercurrent system similar to comercial using 27 gallon toughbox totes, one plant per tote. I like this method because I only have to deal with one plant per light. It is a lot less work when it comes time to lollipop or tie them up. I am pulling down 1 - 1.5 lbs per plant this way. I would be highly interested in knowing how you got such high yields with your boxes comercial. When I first started running the system I had issues with warm solution so I picked up a chiller. I am now running them at about 65 degrees and they love it. Very low maintenance once they are dialed in.

Comercial I remember reading your old journal where you did a power tap. It is great to see you back! I have a couple questions.

What nutrients are you running with your systems?
How do you deal with odor with so many plants?
What sort of numbers do you pull down with your NTF setup per plant?

Thx - GTS

101 Runner said:

NIiiiiice work hommie! IMO you could ditch DWC and NFT to run all 24 garage lights over 96 7 gallon SWC top drip bucket system with hydrotron. This would produce more numbers and clean up all the dirt and NFT maintenance, streamline your hydro into one cohesive system, utilize the two 100 gallons, same controllers, 2" vinal feed lines connecting the buckets with a push flow system. Less work, less nutes, less water, better system. The hydro store in reno has the system and is the only producer in the country that has 7 gallon black buckets and the 2" vinyl lines. This dude Pat is basically changing the way we all do hydro and making it super easy to produce huge numbers without all the rot and bubblers in DWC and all the clogged drip lines and slime in NFT. If you got any questions hit me up!

Click to expand...

Do you have a link and more info.... The NFT has always treated me well and being able to eliminate veg time out of the EZ cloner helps get more harvest but I focus on the amount of shoots I can get in a 3 x 3 or 4 x 4 are. I have ran the undercurrents and MPB. And if your limited the plant count... yes they produce monster trees... but I swear if you even fart around a RDWC and you get root rot or something fucked happens. I would like more info on that system... its funny when you say the place is changing how hydro is done..... makes me worry.....because DoubleD's came along with the MPB's... then the larger RDWC's..... So i'm interested just not sure if at this moment I want to jump into learning a new system. Maybe a year from now, but thanks and I still would love to see this set up your talking about.

-Commercial

Bigz2277 said:

Fucking amazing but i agree, 40k watts seems to me like a red flag to any person watching power usage.

Click to expand...

I will explain how my amperage/power is ran with pics in the upcoming day or two. Then you will understand.
Lets just say I have found a way to sell my product for less and get more $$$ because.
I can minus the major expense when it comes to growing. I know this is shallow answer, but give me a few days.


Thanks,

-Commercial

How should I add my mykos to my NFT.... considering I don't want to brew it. Should I put a half scoop to top of each net pot where it top feeds. Or add a couple scoops per gallon directly to res and the air stones and the Venturi kinda brew it up? I'm using the Extreme brand Mykos WP.

Also I put mylar over the NFT and started transplanting the GDP... (Pics)

I will pics of my veg room later tonight all clean and nice !!!

I want to thank every one for the private PM's and post... I appreciate all the help.

-Commercial

GreenThumbSucker said:

Hydroton management was the reason I went to DWC. My friend started using it to landscape his yard (using it in his gardens like beauty bark). Not the smartest disposal plan, but he got tired of endlessly finding new places to get rid of it. Fortunately for him he has moved and is now running a DWC undercurrent system.

I am currently running a DIY undercurrent system similar to comercial using 27 gallon toughbox totes, one plant per tote. I like this method because I only have to deal with one plant per light. It is a lot less work when it comes time to lollipop or tie them up. I am pulling down 1 - 1.5 lbs per plant this way. I would be highly interested in knowing how you got such high yields with your boxes comercial. When I first started running the system I had issues with warm solution so I picked up a chiller. I am now running them at about 65 degrees and they love it. Very low maintenance once they are dialed in.

Comercial I remember reading your old journal where you did a power tap. It is great to see you back! I have a couple questions.

What nutrients are you running with your systems?
How do you deal with odor with so many plants?
What sort of numbers do you pull down with your NTF setup per plant?

Thx - GTS

Click to expand...

The odor is taken care of by scrubing the room with one large CAN filter...and using the other large can filter venting to my attic.

I upgraded the attic fan that pulls the air outside, as the air slowly makes its way to the attic fan it is Ionized just before exit.

I pretty mush ionize my whole attic with a 5,000sqft ionizer. I actually had to put it on a timer because the air outside smelled to much like the ionizer...
The key as you probably know is creating an air vacume in your room/rooms. Then ionizing the secondary area as you dont want to ionize your room. Ya so no positive pressure pretty much.

The higher yields where done in the RDWC 27 gallon totes and 4K watts around every plant. Most important a higher yielding strain, my G-13 pulled the best. I got close to 2 with the GDP, but most the time the Chem D's, Purple Urkle's ect... Where hard to get over 1.5. The G-13 smashed out 2 to 2.2 pretty consistently.

Do you think If I virtically light half the garage running the titan on the 27 gallon totes/hydroton and vegging them. I could get close to same numbers as my undercurrent? With out the headache.... that's what got old I started even with taking the system apart cleaning it running the res chiller at 67f....and I got root rot too many times.

I will be running almost all of House and Gardens line + Dutch master zone and the Mykos WP to help with any possible root rot. I never had a root rot problem in the NFT. I will be using allot of air stones also in the DWC. I still have my RDWC and im tempted to run it.....but I would shoot my self if I got root rot.
The NFT system is hard to beat, this is why commercial green house hydro growers use these "types" of systems. I swear its how many shoots you can pack in that 1' x 1' cube...x 3x3ft or 4x4ft. That ends up consistently clipping the 1 to 1.5 mark. A dense canopy, with lots of low RH air moving through it.

Thanks,

-Commercial

comercial said:

Do you have a link and more info.... The NFT has always treated me well and being able to eliminate veg time out of the EZ cloner helps get more harvest but I focus on the amount of shoots I can get in a 3 x 3 or 4 x 4 are. I have ran the undercurrents and MPB. And if your limited the plant count... yes they produce monster trees... but I swear if you even fart around a RDWC and you get root rot or something fucked happens. I would like more info on that system... its funny when you say the place is changing how hydro is done..... makes me worry.....because DoubleD's came along with the MPB's... then the larger RDWC's..... So i'm interested just not sure if at this moment I want to jump into learning a new system. Maybe a year from now, but thanks and I still would love to see this set up your talking about.

-Commercial

Click to expand...

I run the system he talks about. I picked it up local at my local Hydro Shop. The system has treated me really well in my first two pulls. It uses 8 (7.8 gallon) black buckets, with 10" baskets, they have a 9" Halo ring. It also has a 18 gallon tote as the resy. The water is recirculated with a 1200gph pump that has a venturl built into it. It is the first system I know of that runs 2" vinyl black tube. The drip rings are fed with a 350gph venturi pump. The system isn't deep water, it runs on 30 gallons of water in the whole system. I didn't get any root rot and I think it helps that it is top fed. I don't think they even have them listed yet. You can call the guy and ask him about it, he loves to chat about Hydro and seems to really know it. He is really knows his shit when it comes to this stuff, he converted me from dirt. I'll try and get some pics of it going. thehydrolife.com That is his site and check it out.

Mykos WP: So Mykos WP says to add something crazy like 70 tsp per week with res change. Can I just add this to top feed dripper?
I should l just run zone by dutch master and forget about it?

-Commercial

comercial said:

How should I add my mykos to my NFT.... considering I don't want to brew it. Should I put a half scoop to top of each net pot where it top feeds. Or add a couple scoops per gallon directly to res and the air stones and the Venturi kinda brew it up? I'm using the Extreme brand Mykos WP.

Also I put mylar over the NFT and started transplanting the GDP... (Pics)
I would mix it all up in a gallon milk jug let it sit for a couple hours then pour in after that.
I will pics of my veg room later tonight all clean and nice !!!

I want to thank every one for the private PM's and post... I appreciate all the help.

-Commercial

View attachment 2243961View attachment 2243962View attachment 2243963

Click to expand...

I would mix it all up in a gallon milk jug let it sit for a couple hours then pour in after that.

Oh where did you say you got your 600w light kits for 30 bucks a piece? the chinese knock offs

comercial said:

The odor is taken care of by scrubing the room with one large CAN filter...and using the other large can filter venting to my attic.

I upgraded the attic fan that pulls the air outside, as the air slowly makes its way to the attic fan it is Ionized just before exit.

I pretty mush ionize my whole attic with a 5,000sqft ionizer. I actually had to put it on a timer because the air outside smelled to much like the ionizer...
The key as you probably know is creating an air vacume in your room/rooms. Then ionizing the secondary area as you dont want to ionize your room. Ya so no positive pressure pretty much.

The higher yields where done in the RDWC 27 gallon totes and 4K watts around every plant. Most important a higher yielding strain, my G-13 pulled the best. I got close to 2 with the GDP, but most the time the Chem D's, Purple Urkle's ect... Where hard to get over 1.5. The G-13 smashed out 2 to 2.2 pretty consistently.

Do you think If I virtically light half the garage running the titan on the 27 gallon totes/hydroton and vegging them. I could get close to same numbers as my undercurrent? With out the headache.... that's what got old I started even with taking the system apart cleaning it running the res chiller at 67f....and I got root rot too many times.

I will be running almost all of House and Gardens line + Dutch master zone and the Mykos WP to help with any possible root rot. I never had a root rot problem in the NFT. I will be using allot of air stones also in the DWC. I still have my RDWC and im tempted to run it.....but I would shoot my self if I got root rot.
The NFT system is hard to beat, this is why commercial green house hydro growers use these "types" of systems. I swear its how many shoots you can pack in that 1' x 1' cube...x 3x3ft or 4x4ft. That ends up consistently clipping the 1 to 1.5 mark. A dense canopy, with lots of low RH air moving through it.

Thanks,

-Commercial

Click to expand...

In my 27 gallon totes I run very aggressive aeration. I use the flat round 8" airstones running four totes per 110 liter per minute air pump. The aeration is so intense that the water level rises about 3 inches in the totes due to all the air mixed in the solution. Between this, the chiller and a bit of h2o2 every day, I do not have any root rot problems.

27 gallon totes filled with hydroton? That's a lot of hydroton. Root volume = yield so you would pull down similar numbers theoretically. Hydroton is forgiving, if only they had some sort of automatic hydroton cleaner

Do you have any experience growing tree sized plants in NTF? I have long been intrigued by that method of growing, but I am a medical co-op grower and I am limited to 15 plants at a time to stay legal so a sea of green would not work out for me.

thx

gts

full of purple said:

I would mix it all up in a gallon milk jug let it sit for a couple hours then pour in after that.

Oh where did you say you got your 600w light kits for 30 bucks a piece? the chinese knock offs

Click to expand...

I never said anything about 600 watt chinese knock offs.

What's the difference if I put the Mykos in a gallon jug or straight into my res?

-Commercial

GreenThumbSucker said:

In my 27 gallon totes I run very aggressive aeration. I use the flat round 8" airstones running four totes per 110 liter per minute air pump. The aeration is so intense that the water level rises about 3 inches in the totes due to all the air mixed in the solution. Between this, the chiller and a bit of h2o2 every day, I do not have any root rot problems.

27 gallon totes filled with hydroton? That's a lot of hydroton. Root volume = yield so you would pull down similar numbers theoretically. Hydroton is forgiving, if only they had some sort of automatic hydroton cleaner

Do you have any experience growing tree sized plants in NTF? I have long been intrigued by that method of growing, but I am a medical co-op grower and I am limited to 15 plants at a time to stay legal so a sea of green would not work out for me.

thx

gts

Click to expand...

I guess I should have said the hydroton is in a 10" net pot, that sits in the 27 gallon tote.

Maybe I will run a 8 or 9 site 27 gallon tote undercurrent with virtical lighting, next to the titan DWC.

I never ran H202 or zone then.

-Thanks,
Commercial

Im thinkin running my undercurrent again. What are people running as far as H2o2,zone...ect...
That are having the best luck avoiding root rot?

Is it ok to run 29%H2o2 and zone? I'm thinking of running half my garage with hoods and the titan flo and gro.
And the other half with virtical lighting and my 27 gallon tote undercurrent.
Is it better to run a Bennie tea. I know people have had luck with both. I guess my question is what seems to be the most used to avoid root rot?

Thanks,

-Commercial

GreenThumbSucker said:

Do you have any experience growing tree sized plants in NTF? I have long been intrigued by that method of growing, but I am a medical co-op grower and I am limited to 15 plants at a time to stay legal so a sea of green would not work out for me.

thx

gts

Click to expand...

NFT set up's are used for high plant count numbers in a SOG or SCROG. Not used for trees.