20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

Technaflora is high onn the list of organic nute tests. It's ine of the few organics to have fairly complete nutrient analysis printed on the bottle. I like that. I think if anyone were to try and go 100% organic in a hydro/soiless settup, you'd be best off using several lines. I'm just not convinced any one line would do the trick. But, I could be wrong. I know if you start pumping K into your crop you'll need to find some source of magnesium. Anytime I add a high K bloom booster I start showing signs of mag defs. Now I add 3 ml/gal of Cutting Edge Mag Amp when I'm adding high K bloom boosters. Mag Amp contains a full 1% of magnesium.

I sent Advanced Nutes an email with a pic of some plants with mag def. I told them I just started their line and these blemishes started. Which is the truth. The AN line uses very high K and I didn't up the mag soon enough. Anyways, the guy writes back needing more info...most of which I had already told him in my original email. Why he wants RH, temp, etc...is beyond me. I told them the only thing I changed was the nutes (from CE to AN). When I changed, the leaves started getting necrosis on the margins and necrotic upward pointing leaf tips...classic mag def. I sent them the additional info they wanted and haven't heard back! Any 2nd year grower could diagnose this problem. I'm quickly losing faith in their tech support department. If they don't eventually get this right, it will be quite sad,,,especially with all their advertising talk. I actually am quite happy with the results of the AN. I'd like to hear what they recommend I do about the mag problem. I already blasted them with Mag Amp and the problem is clearing up.

collective gardener said:

Technaflora is high onn the list of organic nute tests. It's ine of the few organics to have fairly complete nutrient analysis printed on the bottle. I like that. I think if anyone were to try and go 100% organic in a hydro/soiless settup, you'd be best off using several lines. I'm just not convinced any one line would do the trick. But, I could be wrong. I know if you start pumping K into your crop you'll need to find some source of magnesium. Anytime I add a high K bloom booster I start showing signs of mag defs. Now I add 3 ml/gal of Cutting Edge Mag Amp when I'm adding high K bloom boosters. Mag Amp contains a full 1% of magnesium.

I sent Advanced Nutes an email with a pic of some plants with mag def. I told them I just started their line and these blemishes started. Which is the truth. The AN line uses very high K and I didn't up the mag soon enough. Anyways, the guy writes back needing more info...most of which I had already told him in my original email. Why he wants RH, temp, etc...is beyond me. I told them the only thing I changed was the nutes (from CE to AN). When I changed, the leaves started getting necrosis on the margins and necrotic upward pointing leaf tips...classic mag def. I sent them the additional info they wanted and haven't heard back! Any 2nd year grower could diagnose this problem. I'm quickly losing faith in their tech support department. If they don't eventually get this right, it will be quite sad,,,especially with all their advertising talk. I actually am quite happy with the results of the AN. I'd like to hear what they recommend I do about the mag problem. I already blasted them with Mag Amp and the problem is clearing up.

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hey CG I had the same issue and I added there cal-mag A for veg and B for bloom and the problem went away!

Harvested my freebie patient crop today

Hopefully by Saturday it'll be dry enough to give her enough to hold over until next week when I have it cured a little bit. She is not a smoker, but I need to text her tomorrow and get herself scripted, I'm sure her doctor won't have a problem with it. He sounds pretty pro cannabis. My other friend will have to wait until I can get a little closer to him, he lives pretty far away from me, but I owe him a visit anyways. A fucking semi truck ran over his pelvis!

hellraizer30 said:

hey CG I had the same issue and I added there cal-mag A for veg and B for bloom and the problem went away!

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I have a feeling that's what they will tell me. I already solved the problem, and it didn't affect the bud size. What I want to know is just how good is AN's tech support? So far, I'm less than impressed. The first email was sent out Sunday. First response was Tue, with just a bunch of questions...most of which were already answered IF they took the time to actually READ my first email. I responed to that within minutes of it arrival. No emails today. Glad I'm not some poor shmuck sitting in the bloom room, watching my plants die...my whole harvest in the hands of the AN tech support team. LOL . All my bitching, and obvious hatred towards AN asside, that fucking Conneseur is giving me the best crop yet in this op. Node spacing is nothing short of incredible, and the bud size is bigger than ever. It also looks as if my 60 day Bubba is going to be done next week...just 54 days. Some of the bud swell and calyx stacking can be attributed to Yellow Bottle "Final"...the best finisher HANDS DOWN. The difference between Final and Gravity is like apples and oranges. Gravity provides density and some stacking. But, most of it is lost in the first 24 hrs of drying. It just seems to give alot of water swell. Final, on the other hand, actually swells the calyxs about 20%+. Trimming is much easier, and the water loss is minimal. The shit is expensive if you use as directed. But, what commercial grower ever does that? I just add 2ml/gal week 6 and 1 ml/gal 3 days later. Then 3 more days light feeding, and start the flush. California is about to pull a bunch of Yellow Bottle additives off the shelf. This tells me it probably works. I'll be trying several other of their products next run. Performance reports shall be forthcoming.

I gave up on the email talk with them and just got them on the phone, but even then there was some over baked idiot trying to
read into all my grow room angles and aviod the nute talk all together. and thats why I made my own feeding chart! all there
base lines will need the sensi cal A and B to aviod the def. but if you stay away from all the other shit and just use a base line
and big bud and b-52 with sensi-cal you will hit some of the highest yields!! not to shure about those finishers.

hellraizer30 said:

I gave up on the email talk with them and just got them on the phone, but even then there was some over baked idiot trying to
read into all my grow room angles and aviod the nute talk all together. and thats why I made my own feeding chart! all there
base lines will need the sensi cal A and B to aviod the def. but if you stay away from all the other shit and just use a base line
and big bud and b-52 with sensi-cal you will hit some of the highest yields!! not to shure about those finishers.

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LMAO. Yeah! What's the deal with them wanting to know the whole grow op details. I told the fucker that everything was great until I started with their nutes. Like this little ass clown is going to help me dial in my op. I have a fucking nutrient question. Just give me a nutrient answer. They probably want us to go out and buy a bunch of Bass Ass gear.

You may want to try Finalh on a couple plants. I was hesitant until Commercial J told me about it. They don't add a bunch of weight...maybe a tad. They do add alot of bag appeal...with no downside. If you have any bud rot issues, do not use them. The added density can make rot worse. As long as you don't have any rot problems, they're safe as anything. Basically, they give the buds that "chunky" look. I used to grow a pretty fluffy little OG. It had shitty bag appeal, but was the best muscle relaxer ever. I added Finish full strength and the fucker ended up looking like AK-47, with no effect on the high, smell, or flavor.

its just called (finish)?

im googling it with no results

hellraizer30 said:

its just called (finish)?

im googling it with no results

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Hydro International Yellow Bottle Finish

OOPS. FINAL. : http://www.hydroint.com/1bloomfinal.php

Dam my bad my local shop got that stuff!
Il pick a bottle up and try it.

CG, I meant could you get me some schematics on your perpetual clones?
I remember reading that you keep cuttings in rockwool somewhere, and clone them every 5 weeks or so.
Or was it every week?

It's something I'm very, very interested in.
Or point me to where I could find the information.

Thanks
How's the tahoe by the way?

C.Indica said:

CG, I meant could you get me some schematics on your perpetual clones?
I remember reading that you keep cuttings in rockwool somewhere, and clone them every 5 weeks or so.
Or was it every week?

It's something I'm very, very interested in.
Or point me to where I could find the information.

Thanks
How's the tahoe by the way?

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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "schematic of clones"? I take cuts every 20 days. The grow cycles every 20 days: 20x3=60...60 day strains.

CG I need your advice on something. Something I've always been dead set against ever doing, using Bushmaster... dundundun... I think I've pretty well painted myself into a corner on this one through a combination of stoner laziness, overwhelmed with work work, and having a family. Anyway, my canopy runneth over and I need to control it. I just flipped to 12/12 and my plants are already almost as tall as they usually finish. I'm in the (slow) process of upgrading and expanding, and I let things get away from me trying to plan for the project being done weeks ago which didn't happen.

I know you've advocated its use before, what kind of dosage are you giving them? Foliar? Did you have any issues to account for like burn, lockout, whatever? I hear some people say it makes the buds "leaf out" a lot more and having less trichome production. Thoughts?

Wolverine97 said:

CG I need your advice on something. Something I've always been dead set against ever doing, using Bushmaster... dundundun... I think I've pretty well painted myself into a corner on this one through a combination of stoner laziness, overwhelmed with work work, and having a family. Anyway, my canopy runneth over and I need to control it. I just flipped to 12/12 and my plants are already almost as tall as they usually finish. I'm in the (slow) process of upgrading and expanding, and I let things get away from me trying to plan for the project being done weeks ago which didn't happen.

I know you've advocated its use before, what kind of dosage are you giving them? Foliar? Did you have any issues to account for like burn, lockout, whatever? I hear some people say it makes the buds "leaf out" a lot more and having less trichome production. Thoughts?

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There's a thread in the general forum about how Humboldt products were found to have carcinogens in them or something. Let me see if I can find it.

Here you go
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/459639-warning-carcinogens-found-humboldt-countys.html

Beansly said:

Here you go
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/459639-warning-carcinogens-found-humboldt-countys.html

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Thanks for the link Beansly. I've always been 100% against using this product, and most PGR's on general principle. This adds a new dimension. I knew Gravity was nasty stuff, and had always assumed Bushmaster was as well, I'll take some time to do some more research.

Bushmaster?!

Pinch and bend my friend, pinch and bend

CG I was talking about your headstash gene pool.
I know you have some Sativa's and other goodies in a little rockwool tray somewhere, that you "refresh" by cloning every now and again.
Unless I'm just stoned and forgetting who it was.

TheLastWood said:

Bushmaster?!

Pinch and bend my friend, pinch and bend

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HEy I've been wondering about this a little. I practice stem crushing but I'm not exactly sure why. I take the stem between my thumb and forefinger and squeeze intil it cracks. Then I turn the plant 90 degrees and do it again. All the way up the stem. I thought I was doing it as trying to make the stem stronger and allow more hormones to travel through it, butmy plants do stay pretty short too I've noticed. Is stem crushing a way to control hight too?

Well I was referring to supercropping, where you pinch and turn and pinch as you described, but then you bend the branch till its hanging, in a few hours the growth tip will point upwards. Slowly over the next week it will start growing upwards again.

The side affects are a shorter, bushier plant, all growth tips below the "pinch point" get an auxin boost and grow. Also a hard knuckle forms where the bend was made, aNd as you mentioned, it kinda becomes a "super highway". The knuckle also helps support bud weight, as it becomes hard and bark-like.

I would imagine if you pinched until you hear the pop you mentioned, and don't bend that it would still have the added benefit of "oversozing the xylem and phloem on the rebuild" and I imagine that it would also slow down vertical growth while it healed. I have never done just a pinch with no bend, but now that you mention it, it sparks my curiosity.

Definately gonna test that. What have you noticed from just pinching? Does it grow into a thick hard stalk?