Schtrudels Second Microgrow. First ScrOG attempt. Northern Lights

Hey!
So this is my setup, it's not 100% finished but it will consist of
>1 Plant
>100w in total CFLs. 1x26w 6500cfl, the others 2700k. now i have only 5000lm, the 20w give off 1200, the 15w gives off 500, and the 26w 1500.
>it already has 2 car air ionizers. Negative ions react with positive smell molecules in the air, effectively neutralising them. They are not that good, but are better than 0 for starters.
>1x80mm exhaust fan extracting air from the cabinet.
>1x80mm fan connected to a tube that draws air from the top part of the box to the lower part, near the exhaust vent.
>1 plant pot that is 40x20x20=16l=4.22675284 US gallons
>1 timer

Going to get:
>THE SCROG SCREEN WILL BE INSTALLED TOMOROW
>5 more 20w straight CFLs 2700k. The spiral type has more surface meaning it gives off more heat.
>1L ONA Block jar
>maybe if i consider necesary a proper air extractor.
>maybe i'll get a thermometre and a pH metres. pH metres are expensive as f^ck here.

I've done my homework, read a lot about ScrOG, i have another grow under my belt so i know what to expect. The northern lights strain i've bought is from femaleseedsbank.com, nirvana tricked me. Hope they have good genetics and the plant doesn't smell as powerful as the last one did.

Going to veg until my 2 foot screen will be 70% full, then i'll start flowering.

I plan to harvest 1g per watt this time or 3oz pe sq ft of screen, the more the merrier

Anyway here are some pictures relevant to what i've wrote:
my lovely zippo which will light my weed
In the top part you can see the 5 CFL's . The pringles can is the tube through which the air comes from the top part near the vent. Inside it there are the negative ion generators. The movement of air should spread the ions.
On the opposite side i will install the other CFL's .

Tomorow a next post will be given. Wish me luck germinating over night.

The seed has cracked and i could see the white stuff inside, i've planted it 2 inches belowe the ground.
>timer is set
>light insulation complete.

>i still need 1 more intake hole somewhere as the air inside gets kinda hot.

This should be good, I'll be watching this one!

This should be good, I'll be watching this one!

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I wasn't going to post today but seeing as i have someone liking this i'll make an effort (j/k, it's a pleasure to post here)

Modifications since last time:
>made the screen from 6 paralel wires 5 cm apart. Between them i have weaved a string to make squares (actualy a 4 sided poligon i don't know the name in english) 5cmx5cm / 2''x2''
> added a screen of foodwrap to limit the heat coming from the bulbs directly on the ScrOG.

Temperature near foodwrap screen 34 degrees celsius = 93 degrees fahrenheit.
Until the plant breakes the soil i wont add any more lights. Now i have 100w of CFL.

EDIT:forgot pictures, wait a bit

Expecting to see growth tomorow.

Your going to need to lower that screen also attach it to the pot so you can take it in and out of your grow box. Plant your seed to one side of the pot and LST/tie it down and grow it the length of the pot. LST all side branches to were you have a even canopy install screen continue to spread the plant out using pull and tuck method when you have a good amount of tops 2 inches or so above the screen then flip to 12/12. But try and keep that plant as low to the soil and as short as possible so you can veg longer and get more tops/colas out of your grow. As it is now it will not work out the reason you attach to pot is so you can flush if you run into problems etc. Also you will run out of room if your screen is that high and right now its just blocking light. You need the screen in the middle or as low as you can get it but lst and spread the plant out as much as possible before you put her under the screen. I would suggest doing a FIM job on her to promote side branching just make sure you lst the top down then lst the side branches keeping them as low as possible.

Your going to need to lower that screen also attach it to the pot so you can take it in and out of your grow box. Plant your seed to one side of the pot and LST/tie it down and grow it the length of the pot. LST all side branches to were you have a even canopy install screen continue to spread the plant out using pull and tuck method when you have a good amount of tops 2 inches or so above the screen then flip to 12/12. But try and keep that plant as low to the soil and as short as possible so you can veg longer and get more tops/colas out of your grow. As it is now it will not work out the reason you attach to pot is so you can flush if you run into problems etc. Also you will run out of room if your screen is that high and right now its just blocking light. You need the screen in the middle or as low as you can get it but lst and spread the plant out as much as possible before you put her under the screen. I would suggest doing a FIM job on her to promote side branching just make sure you lst the top down then lst the side branches keeping them as low as possible.

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Thank you for the advice, kind sir. My question is: how far should the screen be from the CFL wall? about 5in? now it's 3.

The pictures are taken 4 hours apart
the thermometre is not too precise, it shows 31 degrees, but being black it absorbs heat more easily from the light source so real temperature is more lik 28 celsius at groun level. The pot is cooler than that, like 26 celsius.


Monday i'm modifing the screen like SlimJim sugested.

It all depends on how you want to go about it. You have to keep in mind the plant will grow 2-3x the size once you flip 12/12. The point of a screen is to be able to spread the tops out and also to promote more branching. So if you have 2 ft of height you would want your screen around 8 inches or so above the plant thats why i suggested LST and FIM to keep it as short as you can and to veg as long as you can to produce more colas. Also i suggested putting the screen in a few weeks before switch to not induces to much stretching due to lack of light penatrating the screen if you were HPS then you would add the screen sooner.

But if it was me i would plant my seed to one side of the pot and LST it a crossed the top of the soil the whole length of the pot that will give you plenty of branches to work with and once it reaches the other side i would add the screen and spread the tops for another 2 weeks or so or until i was satisfied with the amount of tops and placement of said tops. But if your going 12/12 from seed i would do the same thing just not add the screen due to time restraint meaning once it starts to flower your pretty much stuck with what you got so there is no real need for a screen just LST.

If you have any ?'s shoot im here to help ya buddy i grow in a micro box as of right now and the past year average around 1-2oz per plant 12/12 from seed under a 150w hps with CFL side lighting. Its hard to fully explain what im talking about above if you have any ?'s i will go further into detail.

Also i noticed on your bean you left the skin or whatever that shit it called "not to good with names" you want to take that shit off when you take the shell off cuz if it drys and sticks the two sprout leafs together your plant will die. I always help my sprouts out by taking the shell off and the sack that feeds the seedling while in sprout. I use a fine tipped tweezer and a spray bottle i wet the sprout wait a couple minutes and spray again then i carefully use the tweezers and a toothpick to pry it open then i spray again wait 5 mins or so and carefully remove the white sack that surrounds your seedling. If you have access to bagseed or free beans thats the best way to start growing that way it dont cost you $10 or more if you fuck up but once you get it down your golden shit i have had to do this with a lot that dont throw everything while poking up through the soil a few years back i would have just let them be now i know you can save pretty much any bean or sprout. Just some helpful info some say not to fuck with them but i have never killed one by doing so and i have saved countless.

Oh very cool! I'll keep an eye out on this. Another Northern Lighter YAY!

• SlimJim503
  
  Also i noticed on your bean you left the skin or whatever that shit it called "not to good with names" you want to take that shit off when you take the shell off cuz if it drys and sticks the two sprout leafs together your plant will die. I always help my sprouts out by taking the shell off and the sack that feeds the seedling while in sprout. I use a fine tipped tweezer and a spray bottle i wet the sprout wait a couple minutes and spray again then i carefully use the tweezers and a toothpick to pry it open then i spray again wait 5 mins or so and carefully remove the white sack that surrounds your seedling. If you have access to bagseed or free beans thats the best way to start growing that way it dont cost you $10 or more if you fuck up but once you get it down your golden shit i have had to do this with a lot that dont throw everything while poking up through the soil a few years back i would have just let them be now i know you can save pretty much any bean or sprout. Just some helpful info some say not to fuck with them but i have never killed one by doing so and i have saved countless.​
• 01-28-2012, 04:51 PM
  SlimJim503
  
  It all depends on how you want to go about it. You have to keep in mind the plant will grow 2-3x the size once you flip 12/12. The point of a screen is to be able to spread the tops out and also to promote more branching. So if you have 2 ft of height you would want your screen around 8 inches or so above the plant thats why i suggested LST and FIM to keep it as short as you can and to veg as long as you can to produce more colas. Also i suggested putting the screen in a few weeks before switch to not induces to much stretching due to lack of light penatrating the screen if you were HPS then you would add the screen sooner.
  
  But if it was me i would plant my seed to one side of the pot and LST it a crossed the top of the soil the whole length of the pot that will give you plenty of branches to work with and once it reaches the other side i would add the screen and spread the tops for another 2 weeks or so or until i was satisfied with the amount of tops and placement of said tops. But if your going 12/12 from seed i would do the same thing just not add the screen due to time restraint meaning once it starts to flower your pretty much stuck with what you got so there is no real need for a screen just LST.
  
  If you have any ?'s shoot im here to help ya buddy i grow in a micro box as of right now and the past year average around 1-2oz per plant 12/12 from seed under a 150w hps with CFL side lighting. Its hard to fully explain what im talking about above if you have any ?'s i will go further into detail.
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I will do that, SlimJim, i will remove the screen for now and LST it till it spreads all across the length of the pot.

About that skin, if you look closely i removed it before the second picture. It just seemed i could peel it off without hurting the plant and so i did.
I couldn't get a HPS in there, it's too tight for it. Next grow i'm buying one just to test if it gets too hot.

Thanks for the replies, guys.

Xoshua

Oh very cool! I'll keep an eye out on this. Another Northern Lighter YAY!

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Yeah, i've heard its a sturdy plant, noob friendly and less smelly than others.

A problem ocured, I had to move my plant back home and my parents found out. I thought at first they would freak out, they didn't even guess what it is, nor would they have cared even if they knew. I wonder what flavour ONA gel should i get for when the smell kicks in. I don't want them to be disturbed by this in any way.


Anyway, update:
>i kept it too close to the lights and one of the cotyledons suffered a bit. The real leaves are ok though.
>i will remove the scrog mesh for now, like SlimJim instructed me.

http://www.growin.ro/control-miros-filtre-de-carbon-ona/neutralizatori-de-miros-pungi-anti-miros/ona-anti-odeur-block-fresh-linen
http://www.growin.ro/control-miros-filtre-de-carbon-ona/neutralizatori-de-miros-pungi-anti-miros/ona-anti-odeur-block-polar-crystal
http://www.growin.ro/control-miros-filtre-de-carbon-ona/neutralizatori-de-miros-pungi-anti-miros/ona-anti-odeur-block-pro
I have to chose between these 3, which one would you say smell best/least offensive/least smelling/most efficient?
Is it true it lasts the entire growing period if it's a small plant and you just poke some holes in the lid?
Never used ONA before and i am curious. Also i couldn't find a thread on the forum where they compare them.

http://www.biotops.biz/shop/extractorintractor-for-airducts-diam125mm-p-1436.html?language=en
anybody using this type of fan ? Can it be used with a carbon filter and still extract air(obviously less, but how much less) from the growbox?

Dude my 12/12 from seed stink up my whole house and it only gets worse as they age and even worse when you chop and do your cure. If smell is a factor i wouldn't grow untill you make a new box and have it on a carbon scrubber. Most of your store bought seeds smell super dank if grown right the only ones i have ever had that didn't smell like skunk asshole were bagseed and they even stunk during the last weeks of flower and during the cure. Also they smell more during the dark period like after the lights turn off theres a wave of stank they put out. My nest box i build this summer will have a scrubber for sure as i had a GHS WW that stunk up my whole block but i vegged that one for 3 months. They might not smell as strong until you become a good grower but the healthier the plant the more smell they put out.

Dude my 12/12 from seed stink up my whole house and it only gets worse as they age and even worse when you chop and do your cure. If smell is a factor i wouldn't grow untill you make a new box and have it on a carbon scrubber. Most of your store bought seeds smell super dank if grown right the only ones i have ever had that didn't smell like skunk asshole were bagseed and they even stunk during the last weeks of flower and during the cure. Also they smell more during the dark period like after the lights turn off theres a wave of stank they put out. My nest box i build this summer will have a scrubber for sure as i had a GHS WW that stunk up my whole block but i vegged that one for 3 months. They might not smell as strong until you become a good grower but the healthier the plant the more smell they put out.

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I'll do all that i can to buy/make a scrubber. Also please someone explain the technical specification on this
http://ledmaster.ro/led/module-cu-leduri/permeabil-(interior)/1044tol-03-12v-97/2
400lumen LED lights for less than a dollar ? The f*ck. i can buy like 4000lumen with 6 dolars....
They specify 400 candelas (times 3 ?!?!?!) per unit... if it's times 3 then with 20 bucs i can have light for 4 plants and grow them skyhigh.

Probably not the right spectrum the good leds are like $500 or more my man. Im going to wait like 10 years to get into that game when you probably could get light output like you stated then but right now the cost of components are sky high for the grow gear.

pretty sure you are right, i was just day dreaming at a 20 dollar LED rig.
Seen through a magnifying glass. About 7:00PM
2:30AM picture. Is it stretching? i don't remember my last grow how it went exactly. In some pictures the sappling is short and bushy. mine seems to be tall, and not yet(hopefully it will be) bushy.

Yeah its stretching a bit what spectrum are your cfls?

you smoke weed with a zippo??? that sounds terrible.

check out bics they are like a dollar.

or hemp string is even better.

Yeah its stretching a bit what spectrum are your cfls?

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4x 20w 2700k 1x 26w 6500w. Got heat issues till i order my fan. PC fans are not enough apparently