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legalizeitcanada

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So I have 4 girls going and have been having some issues. I just got over a really bad aphid problem, but they are clean now and have been for about a week and a half........I know they are stretching, I had started them in the fridge and some were way slower, not having a way to adjust the light they ended up stretching a bit when I lowered the shelf, since they are being used as mothers for cloning, I'm not too worried about that issue.

The main problem i'm facing is the drooping of the upper parts of the plants and the leaf discoloration. I have read the many plant diagnosis threads can't distinguish which problem I have, it kinda looks like several. I was hoping to get some help narrowing it down a bit. I have had a successful grow with the same setup and nutes, I haven't really done anything different.


Dr Grinspoon - Top of Plant - this plant is really droopy

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Leaf Discoloration Closeup
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This plant has it all over top and bottom
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Mekong High - only the bottom of this plant is effected
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Bottom Leaves
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Top looks really good except, for the drooping
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BC Bud - again the whole plant
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I let this flower to sex it and then brought it back to veg, which is why it looks so messed up
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damage done by the aphids is my guess?
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Tops look OK
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Blueberry - Just the bottom of plant
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again tops look good but a bit droopy
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I have copied and pasted this questionnaire i found to give the most information regarding my plants. Any help would be greatly appreciated


How long has this problem been going on?
About 1 month

What STRAIN are you growing?
BC Bud
Mekong High
Dr. Grinspoon
Blueberry

What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
MH DG BL - Fem Seeds
BC - Reg Seeds

What is the age of your plants?
3 Months

How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now?
1 month

Were they in the same mixture when they were seedlings/smaller plant? If not,
what mixture were they in before?
Yes

How Tall are the plants?
2.5' approx

What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
Veg

What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
Normal, Growing for mothers to clone

What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
1 - 5gal,
3 - 2.5 gal, soon to change to 5 gal
one to each pot

What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
General Purpose premix potting soil (not MG), I didn't have the funds to add more mix to the soil, but will when I move the other three to 5 gal buckets, any suggestions would be great

What brand Nutrient's are you using?
It's a 20/20/20 blend that is used by a high end golf course, blue powder, I don't know the name

How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
.5tsp per gal and slowly increase as the plants grow, used before and works really well

How often are you feeding?
small doses every feeding then flush every three to four weeks

What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
Unsure what this is (TDS?EC), PPM Unknown?

What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
?? my tester is broke, gunna get strips

How often are you testing pH/ppm/EC/TDS?
Use to, tester broke, last grow went really well with the setup so I didn't worry about testing anymore

What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
was using a 3 prong meter

How often are you watering?
Every 3-4 days as needed, different per plant, I keep records of all feedings

When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
Yesterday, almost every watering in small amounts, then flush

What size bulb are you using?
600w MH

How old is your bulbs?
6 months

What is the distance to the canopy?
6"- 10"

What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
21%-22%

What is the canopy temperature?
80.5 degrees

What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
80.5 degrees light on Highest
67 degrees light off Lowest

What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Pretty Good? Exact cfm unknown but its strong

Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Intake through a carbon filter, through cool tube and exahausted, runs 24/7

Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Yes, there is a separate fan

Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
No, i let it dry before waterings, wait to see signs from the plant that it wants water

Is your water HARD or SOFT?
hard I would think coming from a well?

What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Well water

Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
I recently pinched the tops and trimmed some of the bad leaves off

Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Neem Oil and Organic Dish Soap - Palmalive

Are plant's infected with pest's?
They were infected with aphids, they are clean now, took three washings over a month, pesky fuckers, but they are definitely clean, I check em over everyday
 

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dannyboy602

dannyboy602

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Better. Ok so these girls are in veg for 3 months? You want to make mothers out of them? But you didn't prune much it looks like. If you want decent mothers you need bushy plants. If I were you I'd put two plants into they're own 12/12 area. Those colas are gonna be huge.But repot into 7 or 9 gallon pots. Start pruning the others back. In three weeks you'll have more carbon copies than you know what to do with.
Some pix the plants look perfectly healthy and bushy. Then it looks like they stretched out? On some pix the bottom leaves need to be removed. Too little light. No aphid damage. Aphids leave behind a sticky sweet deposit called honeydew.
Want my two cents? I think you're expecting alot from 3 gallon pots.
 
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legalizeitcanada

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Thanks dude, planning on changing the pots soon.....The tops of the plants look healthy enough but there is definitely a problem with the BC and DR Grinspoon. Even the new growth is turning yellow, and there are dark spots on the leaves, I didn't have any honeydew residue so maybe I didn't have the fids, I was sure though, they definetaly weren't mites, no webs and had those before. They washed off easy enough. Light should be sufficient, 600 watts covering 5 plants, I can't wait to see the cola's ;), By pruning do ya mean taking cuttings and cutting them back? I still haven't quite got the hang of what I should cut and what I should leave yet.....I appreciate your help! Thanks Dude!
 
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Illumination

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I would suggest a clean slate... Flush them with 3 times container capacity...mix nutrients solution in two gallons per pot...if you have cal mag supplemnt use it...looks like part of the problem as well as nitrogen....feed each one 2 gallons of nutes mix and let them alone until the pots is light again....you should see drastic improvment...if you have no cal mag then put 30 ml milk and a 1/4 teaspoon epsom salt into your feed solutions

Hope it helps

Namaste':eyesmoke:

ps-once they settle from this upcan to at least 5 gallons or actually 7 gallons for the mothers and 8 to 10 inches is much too close to a 600 watt
 
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schmokey

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"What brand Nutrient's are you using?
It's a 20/20/20 blend that is used by a high end golf course, blue powder, I don't know the name"
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Ouch, dude!! You ain't growin a gold course there.. Tailor your nutes to suit your needs. Higher "N" during veg (but don't go stupid on it), higher "P" during flowering (but don't go stupid on that either, rinse and repeat).

Lose the chemical nutes!! Lots of ways to get the nutes you need without resorting the same techniques used to grow tobacco. Actually tobacco growers wouldn't resort to the "blue stuff" you mentioned either.

Ultimately, it looks like you have a few issues to resolve. Start with checking your Ph.

"What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
?? my tester is broke, gunna get strips"
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Buy a pool test kit. It's cheap, it'll do the same job and it's more accurate.

You shouldn't need to flush your soil as often as you do. When you do so, you're flushing out any available nutrients. Granted, you are helping to eliminate built up salts when you flush, but if you are conservative and organic, salts shouldn't be a huge issue.

Your plants are hungry. Ph is probably out of whack also. Repot, and get at least 25% worm castings into the mix. Dolomitic lime is good for the mix, as is adding some epsom salts to help get you through. All kinds of tricks you can throw into a good soil mix. Do some reading up on what goes into a good soil mix and you'll be fine.
 
riddleme

riddleme

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Agree with Lumi here, your lights are way to close, should be 36 inches or more (specially for moms) your humidity is way to low should be an allowed minimum of in the 40's, I would do an extended flush, meaning two flushes in a row (dry time inbetween) and then upcan them paying close attention to the root balls (maybe even take some pics) and as already stated get a way to check your ph!
 
Danielsgb

Danielsgb

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Lumi and RiddleMe have it. The soil needs the re-set button pushed, by leeching. If the 20-20-20 is Jack's Classic then it is fine, but hard telling from just that info. I see light stress too. RiddleMe gave me a great way to use Epsom Salt.
Mix 1 Tablespoon into a pint glass of Hot water, then add to 1 gallon of water. Then use 1/2 to 1 tsp added to the water as needed.
Daniels
 
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legalizeitcanada

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Quick question on that, may be quite stupid so i apologize in advance...lol....when you say use 1/2 to one table spoon as needed, first off....are you talking to the gallon mixture I have made using the pint and what am I using to gauge "as needed" is the Epsom for balancing Ph?

Danielsgb said:
Lumi and RiddleMe have it. The soil needs the re-set button pushed, by leeching. If the 20-20-20 is Jack's Classic then it is fine, but hard telling from just that info. I see light stress too. RiddleMe gave me a great way to use Epsom Salt.
Mix 1 Tablespoon into a pint glass of Hot water, then add to 1 gallon of water. Then use 1/2 to 1 tsp added to the water as needed.
Daniels
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legalizeitcanada

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Thanks Riddle, this is only my second grow, so basically my setup is basic.....as i am able to I upgrade or get new gear.....its always a toss up between the grow room and the studio now...lol...I take it the only way to really raise humidity is to get a humidifier in there, or are there any methods I can use until I can purchase one?

riddleme said:
Agree with Lumi here, your lights are way to close, should be 36 inches or more (specially for moms) your humidity is way to low should be an allowed minimum of in the 40's, I would do an extended flush, meaning two flushes in a row (dry time inbetween) and then upcan them paying close attention to the root balls (maybe even take some pics) and as already stated get a way to check your ph!
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legalizeitcanada

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Danielsgb said:
Lumi and RiddleMe have it. The soil needs the re-set button pushed, by leeching. If the 20-20-20 is Jack's Classic then it is fine, but hard telling from just that info. I see light stress too. RiddleMe gave me a great way to use Epsom Salt.
Mix 1 Tablespoon into a pint glass of Hot water, then add to 1 gallon of water. Then use 1/2 to 1 tsp added to the water as needed.
Daniels
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fdd2blk said:
they look a little over watered to me. ;)
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Illumination said:
I would suggest a clean slate... Flush them with 3 times container capacity...mix nutrients solution in two gallons per pot...if you have cal mag supplemnt use it...looks like part of the problem as well as nitrogen....feed each one 2 gallons of nutes mix and let them alone until the pots is light again....you should see drastic improvment...if you have no cal mag then put 30 ml milk and a 1/4 teaspoon epsom salt into your feed solutions

Hope it helps

Namaste':eyesmoke:

ps-once they settle from this upcan to at least 5 gallons or actually 7 gallons for the mothers and 8 to 10 inches is much too close to a 600 watt
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schmokey said:
Ouch, dude!! You ain't growin a gold course there.. Tailor your nutes to suit your needs. Higher "N" during veg (but don't go stupid on it), higher "P" during flowering (but don't go stupid on that either, rinse and repeat).

Lose the chemical nutes!! Lots of ways to get the nutes you need without resorting the same techniques used to grow tobacco. Actually tobacco growers wouldn't resort to the "blue stuff" you mentioned either.

Ultimately, it looks like you have a few issues to resolve. Start with checking your Ph.



Buy a pool test kit. It's cheap, it'll do the same job and it's more accurate.

You shouldn't need to flush your soil as often as you do. When you do so, you're flushing out any available nutrients. Granted, you are helping to eliminate built up salts when you flush, but if you are conservative and organic, salts shouldn't be a huge issue.

Your plants are hungry. Ph is probably out of whack also. Repot, and get at least 25% worm castings into the mix. Dolomitic lime is good for the mix, as is adding some epsom salts to help get you through. All kinds of tricks you can throw into a good soil mix. Do some reading up on what goes into a good soil mix and you'll be fine.
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riddleme said:
Agree with Lumi here, your lights are way to close, should be 36 inches or more (specially for moms) your humidity is way to low should be an allowed minimum of in the 40's, I would do an extended flush, meaning two flushes in a row (dry time inbetween) and then upcan them paying close attention to the root balls (maybe even take some pics) and as already stated get a way to check your ph!
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Again guys thanks so much for sharin your expertise and skills.....when I become more experienced and knowledge'd of course, I will definitely pay it forward!
 
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legalizeitcanada

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I don't know if their overwater'd, I always wait until the soil is dry at least three inches down, (stick my finger in) and I also wait until I see the droop in leaves before I water, these were just watered when I took the pics, so they were still a bit droopy from the lack of H20 and hadn't come back yet.


fdd2blk said:
gonna be fucked if you try to flush an over watered plant.

but why ask me?

:peace:
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fdd2blk

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riddleme said:
Agree with Lumi here, your lights are way to close, should be 36 inches or more (specially for moms) your humidity is way to low should be an allowed minimum of in the 40's, I would do an extended flush, meaning two flushes in a row (dry time inbetween) and then upcan them paying close attention to the root balls (maybe even take some pics) and as already stated get a way to check your ph!
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36 inches? are you serious? where did you come up with 36 inches?
should be no more than 18 or so on a 600. :)

low humidity is fine, as long as they get watered enough. which they do.

looks OVER watered to me. simply stop watering for a week and see if it helps. bongsmilie

i have NEVER checked my PH.
it's a soil grow. :roll:
 
Danielsgb

Danielsgb

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legalizeitcanada said:
Quick question on that, may be quite stupid so i apologize in advance...lol....when you say use 1/2 to one table spoon as needed, first off....are you talking to the gallon mixture I have made using the pint and what am I using to gauge "as needed" is the Epsom for balancing Ph?
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Yea, after you mix it to dilute the Epsom Salt. Then 1/2 to 1 tsp. You could add it to a mix of nutrrients, or add to a watering. It is Cal/Mag, and I look for a deficiency before using any. It depends on your tap water. Here in Montana there is a lot of limestone in the soil so all water has some. Hope that helps.
Daniels:weed:
 
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fdd2blk

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legalizeitcanada said:
I don't know if their overwater'd, I always wait until the soil is dry at least three inches down, (stick my finger in) and I also wait until I see the droop in leaves before I water, these were just watered when I took the pics, so they were still a bit droopy from the lack of H20 and hadn't come back yet.
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i know they are over watered, i'm looking right at them. ;)

i can tell by the leaf curling. the splotchy dead spots on the leaves. the browning here and there. i have been here before and it appears to me that you are simply over watering.
 
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