Emerald Triangle Seed Grow - Sour Lemon OG

Capt. Stickyfingers · Oct 29, 2011

Arr mateys, I have a short and sweet journal for you. I didn't take a whole lot of pics during the grow, but I'll post what I have.

Sour Lemon OG (Cali Sour x some Lemony Og pheno)

I put this into flowering when the canopy was even with the top ring of the tomater cage.

Flowering Week 4

Flowering Week 7 - Got burned some, I had a brutal cold for 4 days (excuses, excuses) and slacked off. They drank too much, thus raising ppm... you know the rest.

Supposed to be a 10-11 week finisher and it certainly looks like it's going the distance. Very frosty and smells very fuely, spicy, and lemon citrus all equally.
For sure a stretcher. Don't know if I'll be keeping this one in my collection due to flowering time. It's all going to depend on the finished product. Considering it's in week 7, the end is right around the corner, and so are some more updates.
I'll be back in a week with some more pics and come closeups. Same Bat time, same Bat channel.

crazyhazey · Oct 29, 2011

damn, you got your hands on a robust strain. are you gonna harvest the top cola first and let the other branches fatten up?

truepunk87 · Oct 29, 2011

Looking great captin!!!! The 2 I got are looking great @almost 3 weeks. Very strong and sturdy, I'm liking it so far.

Capt. Stickyfingers · Oct 29, 2011

crazyhazey said:
damn, you got your hands on a robust strain. are you gonna harvest the top cola first and let the other branches fatten up?

Thanks, every strain I've done from ET has been very robust and healthy. There are 8 main colas on this one, and I've found that cutting the colas off actually slows progress down, due to the plant going into recovery mode. So instead I pinch and bend the colas over if I need extra light penetration towards the end.

Capt. Stickyfingers · Oct 29, 2011

truepunk87 said:
Looking great captin!!!! The 2 I got are looking great @almost 3 weeks. Very strong and sturdy, I'm liking it so far.

Thanks! This strain is an easy one to grow. Nice sturdy branches and a vigorous vegger. The only turn off for me is flowering time, but if the smoke is outstanding, I'd say it's worth it. Do you have 2 different phenos?

truepunk87 · Oct 29, 2011

Yea.... the differences are only slight so far thou. Doing a little test run...topped vs. untopped

crazyhazey · Oct 30, 2011

Capt. Stickyfingers said:
Thanks, every strain I've done from ET has been very robust and healthy. There are 8 main colas on this one, and I've found that cutting the colas off actually slows progress down, due to the plant going into recovery mode. So instead I pinch and bend the colas over if I need extra light penetration towards the end.

damn, all of those colas are the same size? and i never saw any stress after i cut off the top, the bottom nodes seemed to adapt pretty fast. i was saying for a more basic plant though, if you let all of the underdeveloped nodes below the top run for another week they fatten up a little more and they're gonna be more potent since your still pumping p and k into it.
and this is good to do if some of the buds are more developed(i usually see the withering leaves in the last weeks of flower seem to progress from the top down) so others have time to be just as good as that top bud, since the whole time the plant was focusing all its energy into that top branch.

shit, someone had a sticky note on it i swear, but i cant find it.

Capt. Stickyfingers · Oct 30, 2011

crazyhazey said:
damn, all of those colas are the same size? and i never saw any stress after i cut off the top, the bottom nodes seemed to adapt pretty fast. i was saying for a more basic plant though, if you let all of the underdeveloped nodes below the top run for another week they fatten up a little more and they're gonna be more potent since your still pumping p and k into it.
and this is good to do if some of the buds are more developed(i usually see the withering leaves in the last weeks of flower seem to progress from the top down) so others have time to be just as good as that top bud, since the whole time the plant was focusing all its energy into that top branch.

shit, someone had a sticky note on it i swear, but i cant find it.

Thanks. I've read it all before and have tried just about every trick there is. As long as there is good light penetration, all the buds should mature evenly and get as dense and potent as their genetics allow. As far as getting lower buds nice and thick, a lot of that has to do with genetics. Some plants just don't grow dense buds at the very bottom, some do. Also, pumping your plants with P will fatten the buds some, but as far as potency goes, it won't make any difference. Getting better light penetration and air movement on the bottom buds will make them denser and mature more evenly with the tops. On the cutting colas subject; I've found it non beneficial. Some might, but I didn't.
Summary: Light penetration + air circulation = bigger, more uniform maturing bottom buds. Healthy plants + good genetics = potency.

crazyhazey · Oct 30, 2011

i couldn't agree with you more, but dont you think another week of life could make some real progress? i mean, in the past grows ive seen buds fatten up by half their size in a week and maybe a few days.

ill do this to the grow im doing now, but im not flowering for another few weeks(these fuckers needs to grow some clones!) so i cant really do this experiment just yet, but ill test 2 plants side by side and see if theres any real difference in yield wise. ill try as hard as i can to make it as controlled as possible(im running a few fat sativas but ill test it on one of my baby indicas since their genetics are different).

which strain in your opinion fattens up the best on the bottom branches? and which part of the plant do you direct most of your lumens to?

crazyhazey · Oct 30, 2011

oh and by the potency part, i didn't mean that potency is increase by any trace mineral, but rather the extra week they have to live and build up their buds and develop as much resin as possible. i try as hard as i can to make the plant just put out defense mechanisms for the last week, for example, i try to keep it in somewhere around the 60(or less) degree marker in my room for the last week or two, and keep her in darkness for the last 2 days. im sure theres more concentration of thc in the buds since they convert all their water weight to oil after about 63 degree if im not mistaken.

Capt. Stickyfingers · Oct 30, 2011

crazyhazey said:
i couldn't agree with you more, but dont you think another week of life could make some real progress? i mean, in the past grows ive seen buds fatten up by half their size in a week and maybe a few days.

which strain in your opinion fattens up the best on the bottom branches? and which part of the plant do you direct most of your lumens to?

First question about buds fattening with an extra week: It's all strain dependent. Some strains don't fill in until the last week or two of flowering, others fill in quick and cease getting any bigger and just continue to ripen. Some strains will continue to get fatter with extended flowering time, but it comes at a cost of thc degradation.

The strain that I have that fills in with nice fat dense buds all the way down is Grapefruit Krush. No need to cut off any sucker branches on that one. All the buds are nice and fat.

Question about direction of lumens: Well naturally the only way for the light to be directed is from top down. I top and tie my plants down as much as possible to expose the bottoms to light and air. Sometimes I'll pinch the tops and bend them to lower the canopy. Some of my strains I cut off sucker branches and bottom buds that have no hope fattening.

I think if you're in the position where you have to cut tops to let bottom buds fatten and ripen, my personal opinion is you need to change your style. But thats just me. Everyone is different. And potency being related to ripe buds is dead on. But if you can get the whole plant to ripen evenly, you're all set then. That's what I try to do with mine.

truepunk87 · Oct 30, 2011

You guys notice the price of ET seeds at attitude now???? When I got them it was.$77 for 10 fems, now its $104

Capt. Stickyfingers · Oct 30, 2011

Get them from Castle $88. And any order 80 usd or more gets free shipping. Plus they do singles too. That's the only place I order from anymore, they don't do freebies, but I could care less.

smellzlikeskunkyum · Oct 30, 2011

Nice! i almost got one of these... went with bubba 76 instead. yours look nice tho! id recommend attitude... i got a bunch of useful freebies. and it was cheaper

Capt. Stickyfingers · Oct 30, 2011

smellzlikeskunkyum said:
Nice! i almost got one of these... went with bubba 76 instead. yours look nice tho! id recommend attitude... i got a bunch of useful freebies. and it was cheaper

How? On attitude they're 104.65 + shipping and stealth. Unless you got them before the price hike.
$88 + free shipping + free stealth + tracking number seems a better deal to me.

truepunk87 · Oct 30, 2011

I saw them in high times but haven't heard anything about them. Appreciate that

Capt. Stickyfingers · Oct 31, 2011

crazyhazey said:
keep her in darkness for the last 2 days. im sure theres more concentration of thc in the buds since they convert all their water weight to oil after about 63 degree if im not mistaken.

I've read about keeping the plant in 48 hours of darkness to supposedly swell the glands. Unfortunately, that has never been proven to be factual. If it were, I'd be all over it.

Also, water weight does not convert to oil.

crazyhazey · Oct 31, 2011

Capt. Stickyfingers said:
First question about buds fattening with an extra week: It's all strain dependent. Some strains don't fill in until the last week or two of flowering, others fill in quick and cease getting any bigger and just continue to ripen. Some strains will continue to get fatter with extended flowering time, but it comes at a cost of thc degradation.

The strain that I have that fills in with nice fat dense buds all the way down is Grapefruit Krush. No need to cut off any sucker branches on that one. All the buds are nice and fat.

Question about direction of lumens: Well naturally the only way for the light to be directed is from top down. I top and tie my plants down as much as possible to expose the bottoms to light and air. Sometimes I'll pinch the tops and bend them to lower the canopy. Some of my strains I cut off sucker branches and bottom buds that have no hope fattening.

I think if you're in the position where you have to cut tops to let bottom buds fatten and ripen, my personal opinion is you need to change your style. But thats just me. Everyone is different. And potency being related to ripe buds is dead on. But if you can get the whole plant to ripen evenly, you're all set then. That's what I try to do with mine.

i see what you mean. i dont think i get nearly as many lumens to my lower branches whenever i flower w/o training, topping, etc and plants have usually gotten ripe from the top down. but if you train and keep them at the same distance from your light, theres no need to take off top buds since all your buds are basically gonna be the same size.

crazyhazey · Oct 31, 2011

Capt. Stickyfingers said:
I've read about keeping the plant in 48 hours of darkness to supposedly swell the glands. Unfortunately, that has never been proven to be factual. If it were, I'd be all over it. Also, water weight does not convert to oil.

my dad used to do it to all his grows and he said there was more trichs and he could harvest 1/3 more than when he didnt. and not oil but rather resin.

Capt. Stickyfingers · Oct 31, 2011

crazyhazey said:
i see what you mean. i dont think i get nearly as many lumens to my lower branches whenever i flower w/o training, topping, etc and plants have usually gotten ripe from the top down. but if you train and keep them at the same distance from your light, theres no need to take off top buds since all your buds are basically gonna be the same size.

You got it man. Pretty close to the same size, the tops anyway. All the other buds should be pretty solid too. It still ripens from top down, but you won't have to wait nearly as long for those bottoms catch up.

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