The decline in healthcare begins

Winter Woman

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August 27th, 2012 11:11 AMThe one horror story that&#8217;s missing when Canadians talk about health care

By Dr. Jen Gunter
I just spent a week in Canada. Most days were spent enjoying the glory that is a Manitoba summer on the sandy shores of lake Winnipeg, the kids playing in the water and building sandcastles while the parents chatted.
As often happens, when people find out that I&#8217;m a doctor, the conversation turns to medicine. I don&#8217;t think this is because I&#8217;m special somehow, but since everyone requires health care and almost always has a friend or family member struggling with some health issue it&#8217;s a common ground. People are eager for insider information. Unfortunately, most of the times people recount horror stories, although I suspect if I were a pilot conversation would veer to the travel industry and we&#8217;d all talk about the longest time we sat on the tarmac or the worst flight we ever endured.
I heard a story about a young woman, age 42, who felt she had to bully her doctor into an annual mammogram instead of every two years. She had no specific risk factors for breast cancer, but wanted a yearly screen. She was successful, and at her yearly mammogram a cancer was diagnosed (fortunately stage 1). Unfortunately, she was going to need chemo and radiation, but thankful it was caught and that she had advocated for herself. I have heard very similar stories south of the border as well.
I heard a story about an elderly father with a severe gastrointestinal bleed while he was in the hospital. How the bed filled with blood in front of the family. How the brand new Intern muffed explaining the DNR and the agony of deciding whether or not to surgically intervene in this situation. This too is familiar territory.
I heard about transfers to hospitals because more acute care was needed.
I heard about post-operative infections.
And I shared my own mother&#8217;s issues, a hip replacement in December where the fracture was missed on the post operative x-ray. A few days after coming home the fracture grew and her femur shattered. She was taken by ambulance to the hospital and needed both a second hip replacement and the fracture required an intricate system of pins and wire. I spoke about how she spent 6 weeks in an inpatient hospital getting intense rehabilitation and eight months later was still getting physical therapy.
I heard nothing about co-pays, nothing about fighting with an insurance company to get a drug or procedure approved, and nothing about limits to the allowed number of physical therapy visits a year.
Money was startling absent from every conversation about health care.
I got back to the cottage and poured a glass of wine from the $9 bottle that cost me $16 at the Liquor Commission in Winnipeg and reflected on the conversation at the beach.
I&#8217;d rather pay more for my wine and not worry about affording health care than the other way around.
Yaddah, yaddah, yaddah. So you're ok with doubling the cost for everything in your life? The poor certainly can't afford that
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
We are allowed to have our own opinions. I am voicing mine, just like you do yours minus the slurs.

Edit: you just want what you don't want to work for.
What opinion
You just parrot whatever fear,paranoid anti american crap The Blaze is dishing out for the day.
Everyone of your articles are just copy and paste ad nauseum across right wing blogs and the inboxes of people that dont have their spam filters setup right.
You are a tool doing the bidding of moneyed interests

The only real opinion you have is that you hate the elected president to the point of you will lie and repeat bullshit until 2016 when he is gone
 

Winter Woman

Well-Known Member
What opinion
You just parrot whatever fear,paranoid anti american crap The Blaze is dishing out for the day.
Everyone of your articles are just copy and paste ad nauseum across right wing blogs and the inboxes of people that dont have their spam filters setup right.
You are a tool doing the bidding of moneyed interests

The only real opinion you have is that you hate the elected president to the point of you will lie and repeat bullshit until 2016 when he is gone
I cut and paste to save time. I belong to many news feeds of things that interest me. I'm beginning to think that you are one of those people paid by the government to post on websites. You definitely sound like it.

Yes, I do lean conservative because I was brought up to take care of myself. You do have one thing right I can't wait for the loser to leave office.
 

Winter Woman

Well-Known Member
no you're not, you're just regurgitating retarded right wing, fear mongering, gutter cunt nonsense.

you're like a little sheep that bleats about the sky falling in perfect lockstep with the people that want you to be scared.

you should probably stop opening your dick sucker to remove all doubt all the time.

100928-official-seal-of-democrat-party-crying-baby.jpg............
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Via John Sides, here's a fascinating little data point about the power of the conservative echo chamber. A couple of days ago Brian Schaffner wrote a post about a UMass poll he conducted across several days in early October. One of the questions was whether unemployment had increased or decreased over the past year. The correct answer, of course, is that it had decreased: at the time the poll was conducted, unemployment over the previous twelve months had declined from 9.1 percent to 8.1 percent.
As you'd expect, liberals were more likely to answer this question correctly since it jibes with their political preferences. Interestingly, though, the poll was taken over the period October 2-8, and right in the middle of that week the unemployment figures for September were released. As you'll recall, unemployment dropped sharply in that report, down to 7.8 percent, and the fact that this was part of a longer-term trend was widely reported.
Everyone saw this news, and polling on October 5 showed a sharp increase in the number of people who knew that unemployment was down. But here's the interesting thing: among liberals and independents, the number getting the answer right stayed higher over the next several days. Apparently the news sunk in. But among conservatives, the number getting the answer right started to decline immediately. Within three days, as the chart below shows, they were answering the question exactly the same as they had before the unemployment report came out. Schaffner comments:
It is important to recall that Republicans immediately started questioning the veracity of the jobs numbers, with some suggesting that the Obama administration had "cooked the books" for political gain....In short, conservative elites provided conservative voters with an argument that allowed those conservative voters to bring the information from the jobs report into line with their pre-existing political preferences. The end result was that liberals updated their beliefs about the unemployment rate based on the jobs report while conservatives ultimately did not.
This is the power of the Drudge/Fox/Limbaugh axis. I don't doubt that liberals do the same thing with news that discomforts them, but I'll bet they don't do it quite as fast or as strongly. We lefties just don't rely on hardcore ideological news sources as much. Too much reality seeps in whether we like it or not. Conservatives don't have this problem.
 

ChesusRice

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
[h=2]The Obamacare premiums will cost less than predicted, according to data released Wednesday by the Obama administration.[/h]The release provided the first look into rates for consumers buying individual insuranceon the 36 federally run exchanges.


The national average premium for the benchmark plan will be $328 a month
before subsidies, 16% less than projected by the Congressional Budget Office.
The benchmark is the second-lowest cost "silver" policy for 48 states, upon
which federal subsidies are based.


Related: See the Obamacare insurance rates


Subsidies will offer maximum caps for low- and moderate-income Americans in
the benchmark plans. But for those who opt for other levels of coverage, or make
too much to qualify for subsidies, prices vary widely based on one's age, income
and state.


For instance, a 27-year-old living in Dallas making $25,000 could pay as
little as $74 a month for the cheapest "bronze" plan after subsidies, according
to the Department of Health and Human Services.


But a 60-year-old in Wyoming who makes more than $46,000 a year -- too much
to get a tax credit -- could pay as much as $758 for a similar plan.


The majority of people uninsured today will be able to find a policy for $100
or less a month, taking into account subsidies and Medicaid eligibility, the
administration said


Consumers will be able to start enrolling in the exchanges on Oct. 1, with
coverage beginning in January. Starting in 2014, nearly everyone must have
insurance -- either through their jobs, government programs or the individual
market -- or face a penalty.

The rates released Wednesday do not apply to those who receive insurance
through their employer.

Subsidies: What you'll actually pay for
Obamacare


Most people who are expected to sign up for coverage in the exchange have
incomes up 400% of poverty and will therefore be eligible for federal subsidies.


The lower your income and the more expensive the benchmark plan in your
state, the larger your subsidy. For instance, those making $17,235 a year will
pay no more than 4% of income, or $57 a month, for the benchmark plan. Those
with incomes between $34,470 and $45,960 will pay a maximum of 9.5% of income,
or $364 a month, for that benchmark plan. The federal government will cover the
rest.

But these consumers can put their subsidy toward a cheaper plan than the
benchmark policy and pay less per month. They can also choose a more expensive
plan and pay more.

Anyone earning more than $45,960 would be responsible for the entire tab on
the Obamacare health plan of his choice.

Additional information, including the names of insurers offering plans on the
federal exchanges and the deductibles and co-pays associated with the policies,
has yet to be unveiled. The department just said that the number of plans ranges
from 6 to 169, depending on the area. Consumers will have a choice of as few as
one insurer and as many as 13, based on where they live.

In states where there are only a handful of insurers, premiums are much
higher, said Gary Claxton, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation. In
the three most expensive states, Wyoming, Alaska and Mississippi, residents will
only have a choice of two insurers.

Check out Kaiser's calculator to estimate your subsidy
amount.


While the administration's report looks only at monthly premiums, a health
care advisory firm issued a report Wednesday saying that consumers in the
exchange will face high out-of-pocket costs in the bronze- and silver-level
plans. These policies have lower deductibles than gold and platinum plans, but
carry higher cost sharing burdens.

The average silver plan will carry a $2,550
deductible and $30 primary care co-pay, while the typical bronze plan will have
a $5,150 deductible and $39 co-pay, according to Avelere Health. The firm looked
at policies in six states that have released detailed data.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
where do these subsidies come from and should they be counted in the cost of healthcare? you know, since it's directly related to the cost of healthcare.
 

Winter Woman

Well-Known Member
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
The Obamacare premiums will cost less than predicted, according to data released Wednesday by the Obama administration.

The release provided the first look into rates for consumers buying individual insuranceon the 36 federally run exchanges.


The national average premium for the benchmark plan will be $328 a month
before subsidies, 16% less than projected by the Congressional Budget Office.
The benchmark is the second-lowest cost "silver" policy for 48 states, upon
which federal subsidies are based.


Related: See the Obamacare insurance rates


Subsidies will offer maximum caps for low- and moderate-income Americans in
the benchmark plans. But for those who opt for other levels of coverage, or make
too much to qualify for subsidies, prices vary widely based on one's age, income
and state.


For instance, a 27-year-old living in Dallas making $25,000 could pay as
little as $74 a month for the cheapest "bronze" plan after subsidies, according
to the Department of Health and Human Services.


But a 60-year-old in Wyoming who makes more than $46,000 a year -- too much
to get a tax credit -- could pay as much as $758 for a similar plan.


The majority of people uninsured today will be able to find a policy for $100
or less a month, taking into account subsidies and Medicaid eligibility, the
administration said


Consumers will be able to start enrolling in the exchanges on Oct. 1, with
coverage beginning in January. Starting in 2014, nearly everyone must have
insurance -- either through their jobs, government programs or the individual
market -- or face a penalty.

The rates released Wednesday do not apply to those who receive insurance
through their employer.

Subsidies: What you'll actually pay for
Obamacare


Most people who are expected to sign up for coverage in the exchange have
incomes up 400% of poverty and will therefore be eligible for federal subsidies.


The lower your income and the more expensive the benchmark plan in your
state, the larger your subsidy. For instance, those making $17,235 a year will
pay no more than 4% of income, or $57 a month, for the benchmark plan. Those
with incomes between $34,470 and $45,960 will pay a maximum of 9.5% of income,
or $364 a month, for that benchmark plan. The federal government will cover the
rest.

But these consumers can put their subsidy toward a cheaper plan than the
benchmark policy and pay less per month. They can also choose a more expensive
plan and pay more.

Anyone earning more than $45,960 would be responsible for the entire tab on
the Obamacare health plan of his choice.

Additional information, including the names of insurers offering plans on the
federal exchanges and the deductibles and co-pays associated with the policies,
has yet to be unveiled. The department just said that the number of plans ranges
from 6 to 169, depending on the area. Consumers will have a choice of as few as
one insurer and as many as 13, based on where they live.

In states where there are only a handful of insurers, premiums are much
higher, said Gary Claxton, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation. In
the three most expensive states, Wyoming, Alaska and Mississippi, residents will
only have a choice of two insurers.

Check out Kaiser's calculator to estimate your subsidy
amount.


While the administration's report looks only at monthly premiums, a health
care advisory firm issued a report Wednesday saying that consumers in the
exchange will face high out-of-pocket costs in the bronze- and silver-level
plans. These policies have lower deductibles than gold and platinum plans, but
carry higher cost sharing burdens.

The average silver plan will carry a $2,550
deductible and $30 primary care co-pay, while the typical bronze plan will have
a $5,150 deductible and $39 co-pay, according to Avelere Health. The firm looked
at policies in six states that have released detailed data.
You believe this load of s--t then I do have a bridge I need to sell.
 
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