Bill O'Reilly finally catching on

[UncleBuck]

Apparently the argument you are now making is that because the debt grew under Bush and Obama, then republicans have little grounds to criticize

no, it's a matter of vectors.

shrub's vector points up, UP, UP!

whereas obama's vector points down, and fairly strongly so.

not only that, it's also a matter of inheritance. shrub inherited a balanced budget with a very weak, temporary recession, obama inherited a record deficit with a massive, stubborn recession.*

much easier to kill a deficit under the former than the latter, but the vectors point in the opposite direction that you'd expect.

Obama is better because he spent less money that he doesn't have

you said it, i didn't.

 

[ginwilly]

Might have something to do with the 2009 budget being passed in 2008 before Obama assumed office?

But the stimulus wasn't.

 

[ChesusRice]

But the stimulus wasn't.

Obama's stimulus package could be seen approved by mid February and focuses spending and tax cuts through four primary areas:

1. Infrastructure - Rebuilding our highways, bridges, schools, etc. alongside creating more renewable energy (39% of total)
2. State Relief - Helping the states with unemployment benefits, budget shortfalls, medicaid, and the like (13% of total)
3. Struggling Citizens - Increase food stamps, unemployment insurance coverage, and provide insurance for the jobless (12% of total)
4. Tax Cuts - Tax cuts to individuals and business (36% of total)

So in your own words how was obamas stimulus bad?

 

[NLXSK1]

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  1. Infrastructure - Rebuilding our highways, bridges, schools, etc. alongside creating more renewable energy (39% of total)
  
  
  
  

I didnt see any rebuilding of shit... Obama even openly proclaimed after the money was spent that "the shovel ready jobs were not as shovel ready as they thought"...

So where the hell did the 39% go? To Obama bundlers chasing the green energy dream. Most of it squandered...

 

[ChesusRice]

I didnt see any rebuilding of shit... Obama even openly proclaimed after the money was spent that "the shovel ready jobs were not as shovel ready as they thought"...

So where the hell did the 39% go? To Obama bundlers chasing the green energy dream. Most of it squandered...

Becuase you dont want to look
http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx

Type in your zipcode and you can see where the money was spent in your area

 

[UncleBuck]

I didnt see any rebuilding of shit... Obama even openly proclaimed after the money was spent that "the shovel ready jobs were not as shovel ready as they thought"...

So where the hell did the 39% go? To Obama bundlers chasing the green energy dream. Most of it squandered...

i've driven around in that shithole they call AZ plenty since 2009 and i ALWAYS see ARRA signs all over the place. you need to get out of your trailer more often.

 

[ginwilly]

So in your own words how was obamas stimulus bad?[/QUOTE]

Well besides the fact that our roads and bridges are crumbling but we spent money on ball washing techniques, turtle tunnels (nothing against turtles), tatoo removal etc etc., we were talking about how the stimulus package is included in Bush's budget. UB likes to say Obama is running a smaller deficit while ignoring the bailouts and stimulus.

 

[drstrangebud]

I lived in a great country once. We put men on the moon; we built thousands of miles of interstate highways that are still the backbone of the infrastructure serving us today, without which our economy couldn't function. We fought wars, but we paid for them.
If we hadn't built those thousands of miles of interstate highways would you be building them now? How? We did all that, and more. And it was funded by higher, more progressive tax rates. Our generation did that. We did all that, and more. And it was funded by higher, more progressive tax rates. Our generation did that.
Today’s generation will watch it all fall apart so they can have a few more dollars in their wallets. Greatness will elude today's generation. Continue the endless refrain. "Cut Spending! Cut Spending!" Cut the spending. Again: If our generation had refused to up the tax rates to pay for our wars, and hadn't built our infrastructure, including the thousands of miles of interstate highways essential to all of us, would yours be building them now?
You want to live in a great country again? Decide what it’s worth to you! Consider this age-old saying: you get what you pay for. I'm willing to pay more taxes and I'm not rich! The tax base is too small, the tax rates are too low, and pundits on the right have no new message. They just think they have to find more persuasive language. The message is never going to change. However eloquently stated, it's always the same: the ongoing search for the right words that will resonate with more people, trying to paint a superior moral justification for selfishness in a light that will make it more appealing to a larger number of people.
Meanwhile, too many people are just plain spoiled. Lower income people can spend hundreds of dollars a year on beer and cigarettes can't pay a couple hundred in taxes? I'm not just picking on rich people here. Reject the worldview and the ideology of people like McConnell and Boehner and Cantor and all the other tea party extremists who pledge to never raise taxes for any reason. This economy thrived with higher taxes for decades....not just on the rich, either! Every day when you drive to work, you're driving on roads and highways that those taxes put there. Don't tell me no jobs were created!

 

[UncleBuck]

So in your own words how was obamas stimulus bad?

Well besides the fact that our roads and bridges are crumbling but we spent money on ball washing techniques, turtle tunnels (nothing against turtles), tatoo removal etc etc., we were talking about how the stimulus package is included in Bush's budget. UB likes to say Obama is running a smaller deficit while ignoring the bailouts and stimulus.[/QUOTE]

the bailouts were all bush. go ahead and give obama the stimulus that bush made necessary though, obama still lowered the deficit.

 

[Saltrock]

Of course you're correct. We all know nothing bad can come from a national debt of $17-$20 trillion as we will certainly have in the next few years. It's not like interest rates will eventually rise or something, oh wait, of course they will. So when we have to pay $1.5-$2 trillion a year, just to service the debt, what then skippy?

And as our liberal friends keep saying, unfunded liabilities don't matter either. Heck, that's spread out over the next 20-30 years, I'm sure we'll hit the lotto and pay it off in one lump sum. It's not like that has increased from $95+ trillion to $122+ trillion in the last four years. Oh wait, that happened as well. It's now going up around $8 trillion a year, nothing to see here.

We just need ObamaCare, gun control and higher tax rates on the wealthy and everything will be peachy. Tell us how the Libs won the election and our election predictions were wrong, so none of the above matters. The people have spoken, they don't even want to look at the books, let alone deal with them. Just vote for the guy that says everything is swell.

You are right 2 wars unpaid tax cuts and the patriot act. Republicans always preach lower taxes and fiscal responsibility and individual freedom, yet they do the polar opposite. Read my lips no new taxes and mission accomplished. what a great republican legacy to stand by.

 

[NLXSK1]

You are right 2 wars unpaid tax cuts and the patriot act. Republicans always preach lower taxes and fiscal responsibility and individual freedom, yet they do the polar opposite. Read my lips no new taxes and mission accomplished. what a great republican legacy to stand by.

What is funny is that the left screams bush fucked it up but somehow that justifies Obama fucking it up much worse....

Hypocrites!

 

[Saltrock]

What is funny is that the left screams bush fucked it up but somehow that justifies Obama fucking it up much worse....

Hypocrites!

No, it is the lack of acknowledgment on the rights part that irritates me. If they said hey we fucked up, our policies got into this mess, we went astray from our beliefs. But we will try to practice what we preach and be the party of true conservatism again. Then I would be less inclined to point out bush's short comings. But it seems the conservatives have bad a case of amnesia from 2000-2008. People on the right think the cost healthcare was never an issue till obama took office or spending was an issue till obama took office, or people just all of a sudden got lazy since obama got elected.

The fact of the matter conservatives spend just as much as the democrats and they think they have the chutzpah to criticize and avoid blame.

Peace
Salt

 

[echelon1k1]

No, it is the lack of acknowledgment on the rights part that irritates me. If they said hey we fucked up, our policies got into this mess, we went astray from our beliefs. But we will try to practice what we preach and be the party of true conservatism again. Then I would be less inclined to point out bush's short comings. But it seems the conservatives have bad a case of amnesia from 2000-2008. People on the right think the cost healthcare was never an issue till obama took office or spending was an issue till obama took office, or people just all of a sudden got lazy since obama got elected.

The fact of the matter conservatives spend just as much as the democrats and they think they have the chutzpah to criticize and avoid blame.

Peace
Salt

So you're only now starting to realise the fix is in... Divide and Conquer

 

[NLXSK1]

No, it is the lack of acknowledgment on the rights part that irritates me. If they said hey we fucked up, our policies got into this mess, we went astray from our beliefs. But we will try to practice what we preach and be the party of true conservatism again. Then I would be less inclined to point out bush's short comings. But it seems the conservatives have bad a case of amnesia from 2000-2008. People on the right think the cost healthcare was never an issue till obama took office or spending was an issue till obama took office, or people just all of a sudden got lazy since obama got elected.

The fact of the matter conservatives spend just as much as the democrats and they think they have the chutzpah to criticize and avoid blame.

Peace
Salt

And they have you fixated on it too... You are being played...

When do we all stop this partisan game and say enough?

 

[Saltrock]

So you're only now starting to realise the fix is in... Divide and Conquer

Hasn't the country always been divided on issues? That is nothing new. It's the hey we(republican party) didn't fuck up, but if you choose us(republican party) it will be different next time attitude. I agree the political system as a whole is fucked up. Special interest and lobbyist have taken over our political system and pretty much run the show. Who ever has the most most money has the biggest dick pretty much.

Peace
Salt

 

[squarepush3r]

Well besides the fact that our roads and bridges are crumbling but we spent money on ball washing techniques, turtle tunnels (nothing against turtles), tatoo removal etc etc., we were talking about how the stimulus package is included in Bush's budget. UB likes to say Obama is running a smaller deficit while ignoring the bailouts and stimulus.

the bailouts were all bush. go ahead and give obama the stimulus that bush made necessary though, obama still lowered the

deficit.


you're*

 

[echelon1k1]

It's the hey we(republican party) didn't fuck up, but if you choose us(republican party) it will be different next time attitude

I think some would define that as insanity... But I totally get where you're coming from. As long as someone or something can provide the illusion of choice all is well. As an outsider looking in, both sides are as pathetic as the other....

When you get down to it though you've still gotta choose between a "Giant Douche" & "Turd Sandwich". Obama just happened to be the lesser of the two.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

You are right 2 wars unpaid tax cuts and the patriot act. Republicans always preach lower taxes and fiscal responsibility and individual freedom, yet they do the polar opposite. Read my lips no new taxes and mission accomplished. what a great republican legacy to stand by.

You're preaching to the choir. That's why I've been registered as an Independent since the 1990's. Fuck the Progressives, on both sides of the aisle. 80+ years of Progressive bullshit have bankrupted this country, JUST LIKE THE OPPONENTS ARGUING AGAINST THESE PROGRAMS AT THE TIME OF THEIR PASSING SAID THEY WOULD, and we ARE bankrupt.

Our unfunded liabilities are accumulating at a nightmarish pace. We just keep covering that fact up with more layers of horseshit, more extensions, creative accounting and a mutual (D's & R's) "blind eye" to the elephant in the room.

My personal financial savior, Peter Schiff, predicted at the beginning of Obama's first term, that our unfunded liabilities would skyrocket to $115 trillion by the end of said term. Oh, how the liberal talking puppet heads chuckled and marginalized him as Dr. Doom. Well here we are, $122 trillion, worse than could possibly be imagined and it barely gets a mention. At our current rate, we will hit $150 trillion by the end of Obama's second term. Decades to get to $95 trillion and a mere 8 years to add $55 trillion, the Ponzi scheme is collapsing.

 

[UncleBuck]

What is funny is that the left screams bush fucked it up but somehow that justifies Obama fucking it up much worse....

Hypocrites!

not hypocritical at all.

bush GREW the deficit, obama is SHRINKING the deficit.

big difference there, kiddo.

 

[UncleBuck]

You're preaching to the choir. That's why I've been registered as an Independent since the 1990's. Fuck the Progressives, on both sides of the aisle. 80+ years of Progressive bullshit have bankrupted this country

funny, we only started piling up the debt about 30 years ago, chucklehead.

My personal financial savior, Peter Schiff, predicted at the beginning of Obama's first term, that our unfunded liabilities would skyrocket to $115 trillion by the end of said term. Oh, how the liberal talking puppet heads chuckled and marginalized him as Dr. Doom. Well here we are, $122 trillion, worse than could possibly be imagined and it barely gets a mention. At our current rate, we will hit $150 trillion by the end of Obama's second term. Decades to get to $95 trillion and a mere 8 years to add $55 trillion, the Ponzi scheme is collapsing.

oh noes! the sky is falling!

that, and romney still has a 7-10 point lead.

you're wrong more often than not.