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[Shotman2]

PLEASE HELP!

I want to know how you re-use the COGR slabs from Canna (not the coco slabs). If you can answer any of these questions I would be VERY grateful:

1) Do you just pick out all the root material you can, and then flush the slabs for ONE day using pure water and lots of cannazym?

2) Won't there be lots of roots left that prevents the new plants from growing?

3) Won't there be lots of old nutrition left in the slabs that burn the root of the seedlings?

4) Do you need to rebuffer the slabs in any way?

 

[somebody1701]

Honestly, I wouldn't do it by hand. That just sounds like a hassle. I set up my drip system in less than 30 minutes and fine tuned it over a couple days. Now, my grow is on auto pilot. All I do is refill my 20 gallon rez's about every six or seven days. I get consistent watering and consistent growth this way.

You can't really premix the organic nutes (max 1 day) I'm using or I would consider a drip system of some sort (mainly for when I was gone for more than a day or two). I like to check in once a day anyway so watering once a day is not a big deal.

 

[somebody1701]

Dude, are you serious?

• Where is the documentation? Links? 5 liter is 1.2 gallons. If my pots were that small, I'd have to water at least twice a day. I've yet to hear any sort of explanation as to how having to water every day is beneficial.​
  
  

• I guess if you want to make sure you have something to do every day, follow this bad advice.​
  
  

• Like I said, if you really like to have to water every day, just keep those pot sizes so small that if you miss a day, your plant dies. As an added bonus, you're sure to have root-bound plants as well.​
  
  

All you are doing is rejecting the idea and being snarky while you do it. Are you kidding me? I don't care if it is of any interest to you. What did I tell you? I specifically told you to do what you want, but don't go around criticizing the methods that other people recommend when you know absolutely nothing about it. That's the problem. To many people, an extra 20% is a big deal. It's up to others to choose whether it is worth it to them, but when you say something like :

• I've watered every day with negative results. If watering every day works for you fine. My point was about the container size (as I thought yours was), not how often you water. If I have a plant in a very small container, I have to water every day or even twice a day. Is that better for the plant, watering twice a day? How about watering every hour? Since you haven't presented anything other than self-serving advice from a nutrient maker as the basis for your claim and I've personally experienced the opposite, of course I'm not going to listen to you or Canna.
  
  The main reason I think it's bad advice is because about the only sure way to kill a plant in coco is to let it get too dry. The smaller your container is relative to the plant size, the more likely that is to happen. If I can get the same growth with some buffer on watering, why wouldn't I? I have 5g containers that I water every 2-3 days and are completely filled with roots by the end of the grow. Are you suggesting I should go to a 1 or 2g container to get better results?​
  
  

you're not helping the conversation. You're just rejecting the experiences of others as if your experience is only way.

The guy that originally asked the question was hand watering and on his first grow. Hence my advice. I agree though, I was definitely snarky (but not hostile) I think I had just come from another thread where two guys that had never grown in coco were giving a guy with problems in coco advice so I was probably a little irritated when I posted those.

BTW, I stand by those last two paragraphs, if you are hand watering. I reviewed all the posts back to the original question and it was some guy with a tree in a giant pot that was hand watering too much every day.

 

[Chopsticks33]

do anyone know is it ok to use jack classic 20-20-20 and 10-30-20 for coco? I need to feed them soon and want to know is it any good for coco. Thanks all for help!

 

[iadburner]

The guy that originally asked the question was hand watering and on his first grow. Hence my advice. I agree though, I was definitely snarky (but not hostile) I think I had just come from another thread where two guys that had never grown in coco were giving a guy with problems in coco advice so I was probably a little irritated when I posted those.

BTW, I stand by those last two paragraphs, if you are hand watering. I reviewed all the posts back to the original question and it was some guy with a tree in a giant pot that was hand watering too much every day.

Completely understandable. I get that way as well sometimes. I just didn't want this method to be misrepresented. In eight years of growing, this has been by far the easiest, most consistent, and most productive method that I've used. There are a thousand ways to skin a cat (why do we say that?), so I just wanted to be sure to let the readers of this thread that it does work.

Organic could certainly cause some issues with drippers. Like I said, I use KISS Maxibloom, so it works really well for my situation. Drip Clean is a must, though. It does a great job of keeping my lines clear and the salts out of my coco.

 

[burgertime2010]

I am reading all of this and asking more questions than before. There is no right answer! I have been very happy using Canna/perlite 60/40 in 3gallon pots for some time and I water regularly based intervals of time and plant needs. Nutrients, genetics, age of plant should be accounted for in my experience. The relationship between watering and growth is not black and white. Today I had a massive surge of growth, easily 3-5 inches and I did not water because the plant was not thirsty. If you dig down 1/2 inch and see abundant roots than that is the level that you feed. It is not that you water, it is how you water in my experience. There is simply a timing I suppose and in terms of pot size the volume of available root space dictates the volume in which the production can occur. Drip systems, hand watering, wicks all work great so do huge pots and small pots but with every variable adjustments are made. I don't mean to sound dismissive however I think we need to talk about our game changers....things that made a big difference once discovered. I will if you will too.

 

[sixstring2112]

i think the game changer for me was getting used to keep the coco wet or at least moist.i run promix mostly and i like to let em dry out then flood em.that doesnt work well in coco for me cause i grow big plants in smallish pots.so keeping them wet has made me into a coco believer

 

[burgertime2010]

With keeping coco wet, do you use nutrients every feeding? anything to watch out for?

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

i think the game changer for me was getting used to keep the coco wet or at least moist.i run promix mostly and i like to let em dry out then flood em.that doesnt work well in coco for me cause i grow big plants in smallish pots.so keeping them wet has made me into a coco believer

I run a Promix type medium as well and keeping it well just compeltely destroys the plants.

I can't understand why Coco would be any different to be honest.

 

[jberry]

With keeping coco wet, do you use nutrients every feeding? anything to watch out for?

Always have a EC of 0.6 or higher whenever watering coco.

 

[jberry]

I run a Promix type medium as well and keeping it well just compeltely destroys the plants.

I can't understand why Coco would be any different to be honest.

Isn't promix a soil based medium?

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

Isn't promix a soil based medium?

I actually use Sunshine Advanced #4 but its pretty much the same thing as Promix. No its not soil, its Soiless

 

[jberry]

I actually use Sunshine Advanced #4 titspretty much the same thing as Promix. No its not soil, itSoiless

Ah, I've used sunshine # 4 long ago... It's good. It's peat based if o remember correctly.

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

Ah, I've used sunshine # 4 long ago... It's good. It's peat based if o remember correctly.

yup. the onyl thing i don't like is it needs a ton more perlite to dry out the way i like it

 

[jberry]

Funny, I almost mentioned that I would add 30% perlite to my mix on a big tarp in back yard but it was a hassle. I haven't used it in almost ten years but I had great results when i did.

 

[plateofpakora]

I've read a lot of perspectives on here and was hoping to re-open the discussion as to the best method for flushing out salt buildup.

I don't think I've been watering with enough runoff during veg and have some build up not quite to toxic levels, but I don't want to push it as I'm about to start flowering, so I'm going to do a flush. I was hoping the Mykos would eat up the excess salt in there. I believe I was mistaken.

So what is everybody's opinion on the best way to flush out the salt? Double container size, Straight RO vs low ppm? And is there a way to save the beneficial fungi in there?

 

[SpliffAndMyLady]

Picked up 50l of coco today, going to give it a try. Is it true I have to give it CalMag every time I water? Never used coco before but I don't understand why I would have to give it calmag every time. Can anyway explain, or elaborate?

 

[jberry]

Picked up 50l of coco today, going to give it a try. Is it true I have to give it CalMag every time I water? Never used coco before but I don't understand why I would have to give it calmag every time. Can anyway explain, or elaborate?

Calcium binds to coco coir making less available to your plant. Calcium helps keep your coco coir pH stable. Magnesium is commonly deficient in hydro marijuana grows.
You will likely have issues if u don't add cal mag... It's almost a sure thing if your using filtered water.
Add the cal mag before the other nutes to avoid percperation.

 

[SpliffAndMyLady]

But seriously, do I need to add it EVERY watering? Also, I was thinking a feed,feed,water schedule and adding Calmag on my water days. Does this sound alright?

 

[jberry]

I've read a lot of perspectives on here and was hoping to re-open the discussion as to the best method for flushing out salt buildup.

I don't think I've been watering with enough runoff during veg and have some build up not quite to toxic levels, but I don't want to push it as I'm about to start flowering, so I'm going to do a flush. I was hoping the Mykos would eat up the excess salt in there. I believe I was mistaken.

So what is everybody's opinion on the best way to flush out the salt? Double container size, Straight RO vs low ppm? And is there a way to save the beneficial fungi in there?

Triple container size if the build up is bad... Low EC (0.6).... You can add sugar carbs and humic acids to feed your beneficials. A seaweed extract can be used for assisting with the stress caused by the flush.

That's how I would do it.