Well, camera is down. Plus, I forgot to sub my own thread. lol Final story on the ATF was 5 zips, give or tale a few grams. I measured it all in bits and pieces. The Jack Herer is hanging up right now, should be trimming it in a few more days. Not quite dry enough yet. The ATF is solid as a rock and looks like it was shake-n-baked with sugar crystals. Nice and stoney, not so good for getting much done. Can't feel my back though. haha