ismokealotofpot
New Member
What do you think would happen if we all started farm markets timmahh? Do you think some of us will be arrested? Or will we all get away?
farmers markets
- Thread starter cheeswreck
- Start date
tomcatjones
Active Member
it may be madness, but he is the only one taking the initiative. -i'm not defending him, i'm just saying everyone here could do that same thing.. and should.
25 to set up a table, 5 dollar door fee for patients. that is how Crema up in TC used to operate their market. live music, vape bags passing around all night. was a fantastic gathering.
-if markets were open around the state - SOME would be shut down, others would not. AND... if they thought something illegal was going on.. they'd have to arrest EVERYONE.. which they wouldn't because nothing illegal is happening (depending on which part of the state).
i live close to a town that a couple months ago added zoning for MMJ facilities.. if i had the money or the product to start.. there'd be one already.
but i'll keep you updated and i hope you would all come in the future if it really did pan out.
RIU market anyone?
Timmahh
Well-Known Member
like anything ISmoke, it would be all in the preparations. Put your ducks in a row, make the proper contacts, follow the law, you should be safe.... But ofcourse we all know BS is a Zealot, and wants nothing better to do than to put cannabis users in jail, and hes not above breaking the Law to do it...
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
I met with an attorney (someone you've probably heard of) about 18 months ago, and his interpretation of dispensaries, markets, and p2p transfers were very different than what Timmah is saying. Myself and a couple others were looking at setting up a dispensary. Our first order of business was to see if this was something that was even legal in the state. We killed the idea the minute we left the attorneys office.
blissfest
Well-Known Member
"Where does someone get their marijuana? It must be provided by a caregiver who is growing for a single patient in one area. The safest route is for the marijuana card holder to grow it themselves in the allowed amounts."
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/02/law_talk_marijuana_law_guide_f.html
Until our Attorney General or Supreme Court says Farmers Markets are legal, there "not".
Joe Cain and Timmahh can preach all they want.
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/02/law_talk_marijuana_law_guide_f.html
Until our Attorney General or Supreme Court says Farmers Markets are legal, there "not".
Joe Cain and Timmahh can preach all they want.
cheeswreck
New Member
kingpins or kingspins
bob harris
Well-Known Member
This is a good link.
Basically, the problem with the law, is that it is so vague. All the pro cannabis people want to believe that the absence of clarity, means they can do whatever they want, unless it's specifically addressed in the law as written. They want to ignore the "intent" of the law and use the vague wording as as justification.
I guarantee that the 63% of voters, had no intent for there to be farmers markets, caregivers signing up max patients, and plant counts to grow pounds of "overages, or a dispensary model that had "medication stations"...
Do you honestly believe the law was voted in to create income opportunities? No, it was voted in because cannabis has legit medical value. The intent was to allow people to use cannabis as a legitimate medicine. The care giver portion was written in so patients that were unable to grow, could have someone grow for them, not take their plant count, give them an oz a month and profit from the rest.
Probably the most used qualifying condition is "PAIN" of one sort or another. How many places do you know of where patients can go and enjoy their prescription pain meds right at the pharmacy? Or sample different meds, to see which one they like "ya know that oxy was nice..but do you have something a little morphine like?" Or sell the extra pills they have as overages?
The reality is, that the majority of people squawking about the clarification process that is happening, are wanna be profiteers. The majority of true patients and cg's that I know are simply keeping their heads down, not pushing any limits, and are fine with what is happening.
tomcatjones
Active Member
...safest... lol this is true.
but in a law guide.. we ought not be talking about safest solutions.. we're talking law..
and legally...
I, as a patient can go ANYWHERE I PLEASE and to ANYONE to obtain my medicine.. and if that means the black market.. so be it.
this is where i would bring up 4.e. but Timmah did a great job of highlighting that already.
tomcatjones
Active Member
focusing on intent?
please bob... read me the proposal from '08
1. protections are even granted to unregistered patients in the proposal..
PATIENTS dont even get that as the law stands.
2. MDCH was given control by the proposal and the law..
this is not true anymore. ILLEGAL, under the intent and the law!
and.. you are going to let them do that to the program?
tomcatjones
Active Member
your understanding on how the cannabis plants heals fails you...
if it werent for a community who could help me and others find newer strains to help with other ailments, then we'd be just calling it all "fire" and "mids" again.
the very fact that there are thousands of varieties makes the plant heal us in more ways. i recommend people look up the flavanoids and terpenes that they smell and then mix combinations to work for certain things.. take control of your health and stop treating your heath like big pharma wants you too!
your conventional thinking on medicine can't be applied to cannabis because it inst a petro-chemical derivative going to kill you.
FOOD is your number 1 medicine.
next would be the "vitamins" that are illegal... Cannabinoids. (make sure you eat hemp daily as well.. not just the medicine infused kind.
my mediciated apple cinnamon coffee cake is amazing... (recently a cranberry hemp version)
the apples are sauteed in a fresh honey, cinnamon, allspice, black pepper and a bit of nutmeg.
people always look at me weird when i say black pepper, but it along with its terpenes and such are amazing antioxidants, anti-inflammatories, analgesic and anti microbial! - mix all that will the power of the cannabis to do the same..and more! we are only making nutrition and health become ...life and wellness.
so do you disagree with the idea of people... showing up at a safe place.. to.. eat a cake and have a cup of hot cocoa?
or is that pretty picture of healing to pretty for you?
Timmahh
Well-Known Member
2.7 MILLION Michigan Residents were issued a prescription for PAIN Medication in november 2011. 1/4 of the States Population is on a Pain killer legally prescribed.
and it shocks someone when people are certed for a Pain complaint?
my backs been fucked up since i was teen. I have bony growths on my vertibrea, and they rub together. the drs solution in the 80s? slice me from asshole to cranium, take a fucking sterilized hammer and chissel, and knock them off. Dr said there was a SLIGHT 50/50 chance i could be paralized permanently during the procedure. Needless to say, i told him where he can put his hammer and chissel.
SO im a criminal because i choose chiropratic and cannabis as my life long treatment, opposed to evasive and dangerous surgery and a lifetime of narcotic and petro pain meds?
and it shocks someone when people are certed for a Pain complaint?
my backs been fucked up since i was teen. I have bony growths on my vertibrea, and they rub together. the drs solution in the 80s? slice me from asshole to cranium, take a fucking sterilized hammer and chissel, and knock them off. Dr said there was a SLIGHT 50/50 chance i could be paralized permanently during the procedure. Needless to say, i told him where he can put his hammer and chissel.
SO im a criminal because i choose chiropratic and cannabis as my life long treatment, opposed to evasive and dangerous surgery and a lifetime of narcotic and petro pain meds?
420greendream
Well-Known Member
Well patient to patient transfer is legal but that doesnt mean you can SELL weed like at a farmers market, you can EXCHANGE it, meaning you can swap bud or giving it to someone. hope that helps
bob harris
Well-Known Member
ohhh ozzrock..you love to twist words. I am saying that in the VAST majority of cases a plant count of 60 is not needed to take care of 5 people. And that the VAST majority of people using max plant counts, are in it for the MONEY, not to give care.
Sure, there are patients that need tinctures and oils, which take more raw cannabis to make. But those patients are fewer...Without singing anyone up, or using thier plant count, I could easily supply myself and three other patients 2oz per month. so what would I do with the extra 36 plants?
The guys crying are the guys that want all that overage to make money, avoid taxes, and not have to work.
bob harris
Well-Known Member
If it were legal, big farms would make home growing pointless...the price of cannabis would drop like a rock.
bob harris
Well-Known Member
It's lovely..right out of the late 60's. All we need are VW minivans painted with flowers.
The problem is that you are describing preventive use of cannabis, and although there is some truth to that, it's not anywhere near the law that was passed.
Timmahh
Well-Known Member
To donate meds at the Jackson Market, and to comply with the false and illegal CoA opine denouncing Pt to Pt with remuneration as a sale, thus not within the allowed limits of the Act itself, you must be a Carded CG, and can only have the amount of meds/plants your card allotment allows. Thus, the CG is within Legal Limits at ALL Times when transferring with a Legal Registered Patient or Caregiver. Abide by the Limits allowed by your cards, and they are absolutely with in the defined limits of the 08 MMM Act.
Timmahh
Well-Known Member
So you actually Believe the Attorney General Makes the Law of the land? you are mistaken. He UP HOLDS the laws Made by the State. That is his Job. Enforcement not Creation.
You are suffering from the same delusion Bill Schuette is, and that is that he thinks hes still a Senator, and his Fucking Opinion Matters. As the State AG, his Opinion is to UPHOLD the law of the FUCKING STATE and We the People Made a law called the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act of 2008.
You are correct in it is up to the Supreme Court, or a 75% super majority that Must pass both the Michigan Senate, and House of Representatives.
On that note, any one else catch PlanetGreenTrees tonight with Representative Cavenaugh? He was 1 of the 3 chairs on the Task Force over this Matter.