Growers Card
- Thread starter djrequiem
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Not sure, I am a patient and grow for myself as well as others...
And, I try not to talk to cops!
And, I try not to talk to cops!
mcpurple
Well-Known Member
ya i have no clue what im talking about thats why for over a year i payed a lawyer who specializes in medical marijuana cases to help me in my case that we won sort of. i still keep in touch and every thing i say is recommended by a lawyer. so ya dont listen to me man, tell them your name, show ID, show card and if they want any thing else tell them to get you a lawyer.
doing this is also recommended in rick maughs book on the medical laws, he knows what he is talking about as well.
and their is a reason, i ask for a lawyer before i was on probation, and why does me being on probation mater at all? im not worried at all man. and no most people dont have a lawyer but all they have to say is i want one and it is their right to get at least a court appointed one until they hire a better one.
it seems haz wants all the drama to stop but yet he is the one always instigating
hazorazo
New Member
Look, maybe I was a little hard on you about this one. Like I said, you being on probation means you have to be very careful, and you most likely have a lawyer. For most people, if a cop comes to their door, simply knowing their rights will do just fine. Telling them your name, showing them your OMMP card and Oregon ID and being respectful are not going to get you in trouble.
My problem with your statement is that you act like everyone should act like a criminal. I am saying know your rights, and act like a human being, and an innocent one at that. You do not have to allow any search of your property (or car) without a warrant. Ultimately, you might as well be respectful, know your rights, and know WHEN it is time to call a lawyer. If you did not have a card, I might take this hardline approach.....but they cannot fuck with me as long as I know my rights, and act accordingly.
The lawyer thing just sounds like an idle threat, especially for most people, they do not have a lawyer. I have no criminal record, and I have no lawyer, and I think most medical patients have more in common with my situation, than yours? Maybe I am wrong, though.
As for your last sentence, some people might see that as perpetuating the drama, in public. Just sayin. But I have told you that many, many times. You are always doing the passive aggressive thing, and I get it. It is easier to get away with, and not get in trouble for being a straight talker. But just because you use the passive aggressive stance, that does not mean it goes unnoticed. I honestly just want the right information to get the the medical patients, and I do not mind correcting people when they are wrong, and supporting evidence of those facts. Unfortunately, that is part of dealing with folks on rollitup.....the people that support giving misinformation seldom offer any links that show support of their argument. In the future, I will trust that my fellow Oregonians can see these things for themselves. I will give my information, with links to support it, and the people can decide for themselves.
mygirls
Medical Marijuana (MOD)
what mcp statred earlier had no refrence to being nor acting like a criminal.. oh and let me guess you are so innocent
.. and with the warrent thing let me guess your the type that would just give the ok to search.. not me even if i am innocent, i want them to have to jump threw there little hoops to get there silly little warrent.. plead the 5thgive them your name and number then tell them to fuck off that dam simple
.. and with the warrent thing let me guess your the type that would just give the ok to search.. not me even if i am innocent, i want them to have to jump threw there little hoops to get there silly little warrent.. plead the 5thgive them your name and number then tell them to fuck off that dam simple
hazorazo
New Member
You are silly when you try to argue....I am stating that medical marijuana patients are legal, and should act that way, to a point. You always go to extremes, and you try so hard to argue with me, mygirls....in fact, I think you did not read my post earlier, because I said you do not have to let them in your home if they do not have a warrant. Did you miss that part?
Pleading the 5th has to do with being in court. And having to do with not incriminating oneself, so that almost says that you are guilty, pleading the 5th. Most people that plead the 5th are guilty, are they not? Anyways, that is far from the point, but I figured I would add some facts to the conversation.
If you two really want to argue, you better start getting your facts straight....like reading my posts, for example, mygirls. You are making up things to argue with me about now....
Now, just to get it straight, weren't you the one (mygirls) that just posted a week or two ago about wanting there to be state mandated compliance checks? I would say that you just changed your tune, and flip flopped a little from your previous position. Do not get me wrong, you are better off WITHOUT compliance checks, but 2 weeks ago, I would have sworn you wanted them. I could probably find the quote, if I looked around, do you want me to look around for that quote, or will you just admit you were ALL FOR compliance checks a couple weeks ago. In fact, I think I called you crazy for wanting that.
So, mygirls, other than making up fake arguments for me, do you have a problem with my idea on how to handle a cop at your door? My idea was closing the door behind you, showing your OMMP card and Oregon DL, and making sure that YOU know as a patient, that you do not have to submit to any searches without a warrant. Period. And officer, without a warrant, you are a stranger to me, and I do not let strangers in my house. Thanks so much for your time. Is there anything else I can do for you?
McPurple said you should tell them your name, and essentially say you can talk to my lawyer, then slam the door in their face. I would just tend to say mine helps the whole community look more like regular legal citizens, and less like criminals in our own home.
Just the facts, guys. Take em or leave em.
I, for one, disagree with the way you would handle an encounter with law enforcement at your doorway. The regulations, as they stand now, require LEOs to make an inquiry to the OMMP database if they suspect an individual has possession of, or is cultivating cannabis, prior to making contact with the suspect. If they have legal right to meds they are to leave them alone.
So no, I think you should inform any officer at your door that he/she has the obligation to perform their required duties rather than go fishing for information and hoping you are slightly out of compliance; or maybe there is something else he/she could find wrong with this doper's house...
Don't show them your ID or card; make them earn their pay and jump through the hoops they are supposed to jump through!
So no, I think you should inform any officer at your door that he/she has the obligation to perform their required duties rather than go fishing for information and hoping you are slightly out of compliance; or maybe there is something else he/she could find wrong with this doper's house...
Don't show them your ID or card; make them earn their pay and jump through the hoops they are supposed to jump through!
hazorazo
New Member
Like I said, I do not have cops knocking on my door. The only way I imagine this going down is this.....a cop is in my neighborhood for another crime altogether, because they have no reason to be at my house. If the neighbor said I might have been home, the cops may knock on my door, and smell something, because I medicate in my house, without worry of the smell. If they knock on my door, I close it behind me, and explain that I am a medical patient, give them my Oregon ID, and my OMMP card to show that I am who I say I am. Done and done. Without a warrant, he has nothing else to ask me that I have to answer. If I have information about my neighborhood crime, I will help him with that.
If you are doing something illegal, and get caught, then, by all means, use your "right to remain silent" while they are hassling you. My problem with not giving your card and Id in this situation is that you may end up in handcuffs and being subdued until they figure out who you are and how legal you are.
Ultimately, I do not plan to find out the hard way. Any time a police officer asked me, unless they were hassling me, I would give them my ID and OMMP card as long as they had reason to ask....for example, smelling weed in a traffic stop, or smelling weed when I answered my door in the example given earlier.
And boxorain, you can handle it any way you want to. I understand your desire to "stick it to the man" and make them "work for their money", but really, you can squash this as quickly as you can show your ID and OMMP card, and be on your way. Or you can make them "earn their money" and that leaves you waiting there while they do their job.Which we all know can take a long time, especially if the cops want it to take a long time. I think I would rather be on my way as quickly and safely as possible, but then again, I am 36. I do not really have too many run ins with cops these days.
hazorazo
New Member
And I guess to be more on track with the OP.....No I do not think that people with growers cards get treated differently by the cops. I think that would be discrimination...if you could prove it....haha.
hazorazo
New Member
That is kind of what I was thinking, too. I am not positive, but if you have a prescription, you have a reason to have cannabis show in your system, and the test will not tell them if you smoked recently, just if you have smoked in the past 30 days (some say cannabis stays in your system that long, but depends on many factors including body weight, fitness level, metabolism, etc, etc). So, I think if you get stopped by a cop, and he smelled weed in your vehicle, he cannot search your vehicle, and I would just give him my Oregon DL, and tell him I am an OMMP patient, and then he will ask for the OMMP card, so you can reach for it safely(if you do not have it out already). He has to do his job to make sure you are legal, so you can make this as quick or as slow as possible. You might still get a driving recklessly ticket if you were doing something crazy, but they probably cannot hit you with DUI simply for showing marijuana in your system....you have a prescription for that, if you are an OMMP member.
This and the random cop asking about a crime in the neighborhood I live in are the two scenarios that I see as the most plausible for my situation. And I would show them my OMMP card and Oregon DL in both situations you and I have talked about.
geekmike
Well-Known Member
hey guys, I have a friend that is a Sherrif's Deputy locally. As far as cops are concerned, most don't give a shit if you have a small grow. If you are flagrantly selling weed out of your home or have a larger than average grow, then you may want to be concerned.
As far as possession in your car, as long as it is under your limit and your caregiver/patient ID you should be good. Don't get me wrong, if the cop thinks you are impaired he has the right to give you a sobriety test and then determine if you are capable of operating a vehicle.
As far as possession in your car, as long as it is under your limit and your caregiver/patient ID you should be good. Don't get me wrong, if the cop thinks you are impaired he has the right to give you a sobriety test and then determine if you are capable of operating a vehicle.
hazorazo
New Member
If you think about it, they did not give us the OMMP ID cards so that we can get into dispensaries....since they were not legal...haha. They gave us those ID cards so that we can prove our legal status to LEO's and not get treated like common criminals.
I have a couple friends in law enforcement, and they pretty much say the same thing. They are not always so concerned about medical card holders once they figure out that you are legal. And as long as you know they have no right to search you or your property without a proper warrant, you are probably good.
mygirls
Medical Marijuana (MOD)
if your medical no they can not ask for a blood or urine test.. all they can do is put you threw the sobriaty test and if you pass then you pass but if you fail and have not had consumed any meds then your going down town..
mygirls
Medical Marijuana (MOD)
your not to smart are you, they gave us cards so that when some one want to call in a suspected grow all the cops have to do is look up that address and see if that is a legal grower there
hazorazo
New Member
Just a little advice....I would not say "your not to smart are you" and misspell and misuse words while you are trying to insult someone's intelligence. It just does not come off looking good for you. Next time, try this, "You're not too smart, are you?" That might help you out in the future.
And, honestly, dude, I grow tired of you trying so hard to argue with me. If you think they gave you physical cards to hold so that cops would just use the database, I must say with a chuckle, that you are probably wrong. Think about it, mygirls. They did not need to give you an ID card if they were just going to have a database with your ODL on it. They give you the cards so that you can show the cops that you are legal. But by all means, keep arguing your point, and someone may eventually believe you, but it makes no sense. We have 2 sets of cards....ones for display within our grow space, and one that is the EXACT size for your wallet.....wonder why they gave us that? hahahaha.
Overall, mygirls, you just won't give up will you? I could tell you that weed is green, and you would argue with me. I think most people are figuring that out.
And again, just reading your post, it seems that you are thinking solely of having someone investigating if you are growing illegally or not. I am talking about a chance visit to your door for a neighborly reason, or a traffic stop where the cop smells pot. Please, dude, start paying more attention to the conversation within the thread, it helps you keep up.
djrequiem
Member
I'm a grower. Not a patient (yet...). All cops do to check for consumption is look for red eyes while they make you follow there finger (while they shine there flashlight directly into them). You can walk a straight line etc since your not drunk. I just don't want to get pulled over sober and be accused of being intoxicated. I shouldn't have THC in my system, but a quick blood test will obviously come up positive. I don't know how accurate it is (A few bong rips 15 minutes ago, versus a small bowl hours ago). Next thing you know your car is impounded, your spending the night in jail, you lose your drivers license for six months, fined heavily and sentenced to diversion classes, probation and community service.
hazorazo
New Member
Exactly. It is nice because a card gives you protection from a lot of that stuff. It sounds like you try to be responsible, but you would like the peace of mind of knowing that you won't get dinged for peeing positive. I think it is only human to want to enjoy your way of life, responsibly, without fear of having your freedom taken away for "peeing positive." If you grow already, a growers card is only going to help protect you, in my opinion. Of course, I am one that thinks that it should be legal for anyone to smoke or grow, so I am always for protecting my fellow potsmokers.
lizzardgizzard
Member
I've always tried to look at this from a cops point of view. The only point of reference for them, is to compare our meds to Alcohol: Not using while driving, not under the influence while driving and no open containers. So, I never smoke while driving, always stone sober before I get behind the wheel, and I never keep a bag of weed on my person while driving. If I'm holding, it's always in a satchel in my trunk, out of reach from the people in the car. The way I figure, it looks like I'm trying to take every precaution when it comes to being legal. Yes, I do know that sometimes you will get an asshole cop, who doesn't care how much you've tried to be the good guy, he's still going to hassle you. But, luck favors the prepared man. And that's who I'm trying to be. . .