Dont listen to this bullshit.. because thats exactly what it is.
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Brick Top
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The only false realities are coming from your head my man.... Here are your earlier words, word for fucking word
Now you are resorting to swearing. Cool .. always a sure sign of a beaten opponent.
If you are incapable of understanding that I was talking about purchasing and growing Nirvana strains, and not that I have never in my life smoked any Nirvana strains, than it is no wonder that you can actually believe Nirvana gives people quality.
Do I need to go back and C&P each time where I also clearly stated that I have friends that have grown Nirvana strains and that I have smoked them and neither my friends or myself were at all impressed, or would you prefer to just attempt to sweep that part of what I said under the rug and hope that people who have been reading this exchange forget about that part?
Now, now there lil buckaroo, don't get so testy. You have hurled a few insulting remarks yourself and each time you ignore how I clearly stated that while I have never purchases and grown Nirvana strains I do have friends who have and that I have smoked a number of them .... and then you go on to say that I have never tried any and have no personal experience with them, well you do realize that saying that is exactly the same as calling me a liar and where I come from that is a true insult. So as Bo Diddley, Creedence Clearwater Revival and later Eric Clapton said; "Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself."
And there you are, yet once again, attempting to create a false reality by trying to spin my admitting that I have never purchased or grown any Nirvana strains into meaning that I never knew anyone who grew them and never smoked any of them, which I did. As I have said REPEATEDLY now, I have friends who have grown Nirvana strains and that they were skilled growers and I have smoked with they grew that they purchased from Nirvana and none of it was in the least bit impressive in relation to what true top quality breeders put out.
Are you ready to finally accept that fact and stop intentionally ignoring it and stop attempting to create a false reality as if I have never so much as smoked any Nirvana strains or will you make me have to explain that to you yet once again?
Such things are relative and compared to top quality truly skilled breeders, Nirvana strains are like Roadside Red or Ghetto Gold.
Or at least you like to believe you do and you hope that others will believe it when you say you do.
"A bitter man?" I am not bitter. I am just being honest.
And evidently I need to explain things to you yet one more time. No, I have never spent a single penny on any Nirvana strain and I nave never grown a single Nirvana strain, BUT I have friends who have, friends that are very skilled growers and did not blow each and ever one of their Nirvana grows, and I have smoked the Nirvana strains they have grown, all in the past not because all have more than learned their lesson about wasting their money on low grade shoddy genetics from a business that has far more than proven itself to be anything but reputable, and never once, not so much as one single time that any of my friends grew any Nirvana strain were they or myself impressed. Not so much as one single time.
One that really stands out in my mind as a major total letdown was B52. At the time there were people on sites similar to this saying it was the most potent pot in the world. One guy claimed to be a very experienced toker and after only two hits he could not get up off the park bench he was sitting on for 4-hours. One of my friends grew it, a skilled grower that did not blow the grow, and I was expecting to be put in Oz and I can remember saying that it was less potent than some no-name Mexican strains I had smoked in the late 60's and early 70's let alone compared to the higher potency strains of the same era.
So you can lay to rest your attempts to claim that I have never had any exposure to Nirvana strains just because I have never wasted any of my own money on them or grown them and said I would not give so much as one small piece of dry cat shit for every seed in Nirvana's inventory. A large part of the reason I would not give so much as one small piece of dry cat shit for every seed in Nirvana's inventory is based on the Nirvana strains I HAVE smoked I would be more likely to get a better high if I smoked the one small piece of dry cat shit than if I grew out and smoked every seed in Nirvana's inventory.
Would you care to critique for us a restaurant that you have never eaten at? I'm sure you could do it
There you go AGAIN with your totally false reality act.
Of course I would never critique a restaurant I never ate at, but if friends of mine took me there and bought me dinner and it was terrible, just as in the case of Nirvana strains, I would have no problem telling the world that the restaurant was terrible.
As long as you do actually try something that alone is enough to know about it. You do not have to waste your own money and time and efforts on something first to only then be able to know that it is garbage.
Serapis
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You haven't beaten anyone....
You can also question my sense of reality, my ability to tell good weed from bad, yada yada yada.... it all boils down to perception and opinions.... My perception and opinion is nirvana is legit, and their quality is top notch. That is the opinion of many other growers on this site as well, as this thread and many others like it attest. And please don't copy and paste anything else here, your CNTRL-V buttons are going to break... lol
I'll bet they are already worn out....
I can say I'm speaking from personal experience.... maybe my attitude will change when I start spending $300-400 for 10 "quality" seeds... lol
You can also question my sense of reality, my ability to tell good weed from bad, yada yada yada.... it all boils down to perception and opinions.... My perception and opinion is nirvana is legit, and their quality is top notch. That is the opinion of many other growers on this site as well, as this thread and many others like it attest. And please don't copy and paste anything else here, your CNTRL-V buttons are going to break... lol
I'll bet they are already worn out....
I can say I'm speaking from personal experience.... maybe my attitude will change when I start spending $300-400 for 10 "quality" seeds... lol
incognegro999
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I agree with..everyone haha. I will not order from nirvana, but only because whoever does they're CC processing blows balls and wont except my card. works at the tude just fine. This has been one intense debate so far.
Serapis
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People love to defend their brands and bash others.... that is what we have going on here, though I don't feel loyalty to nirvana.... if they screwed me, I would never use them again, regardless of my good feelings now... At least I'm writing of my own personal experiences and not pasting complaints found by Googling up problems...
fabfun
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wait a minute u mean i didnt get quoted i feel left out
damn u quoted just about every one on on riu but me
damn u quoted just about every one on on riu but me
The only false realities are coming from your head my man.... Here are your earlier words, word for fucking word
Now you are resorting to swearing. Cool .. always a sure sign of a beaten opponent.
If you are incapable of understanding that I was talking about purchasing and growing Nirvana strains, and not that I have never in my life smoked any Nirvana strains, than it is no wonder that you can actually believe Nirvana gives people quality.
Do I need to go back and C&P each time where I also clearly stated that I have friends that have grown Nirvana strains and that I have smoked them and neither my friends or myself were at all impressed, or would you prefer to just attempt to sweep that part of what I said under the rug and hope that people who have been reading this exchange forget about that part?
Now, now there lil buckaroo, don't get so testy. You have hurled a few insulting remarks yourself and each time you ignore how I clearly stated that while I have never purchases and grown Nirvana strains I do have friends who have and that I have smoked a number of them .... and then you go on to say that I have never tried any and have no personal experience with them, well you do realize that saying that is exactly the same as calling me a liar and where I come from that is a true insult. So as Bo Diddley, Creedence Clearwater Revival and later Eric Clapton said; "Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself."
And there you are, yet once again, attempting to create a false reality by trying to spin my admitting that I have never purchased or grown any Nirvana strains into meaning that I never knew anyone who grew them and never smoked any of them, which I did. As I have said REPEATEDLY now, I have friends who have grown Nirvana strains and that they were skilled growers and I have smoked with they grew that they purchased from Nirvana and none of it was in the least bit impressive in relation to what true top quality breeders put out.
Are you ready to finally accept that fact and stop intentionally ignoring it and stop attempting to create a false reality as if I have never so much as smoked any Nirvana strains or will you make me have to explain that to you yet once again?
Such things are relative and compared to top quality truly skilled breeders, Nirvana strains are like Roadside Red or Ghetto Gold.
Or at least you like to believe you do and you hope that others will believe it when you say you do.
"A bitter man?" I am not bitter. I am just being honest.
And evidently I need to explain things to you yet one more time. No, I have never spent a single penny on any Nirvana strain and I nave never grown a single Nirvana strain, BUT I have friends who have, friends that are very skilled growers and did not blow each and ever one of their Nirvana grows, and I have smoked the Nirvana strains they have grown, all in the past not because all have more than learned their lesson about wasting their money on low grade shoddy genetics from a business that has far more than proven itself to be anything but reputable, and never once, not so much as one single time that any of my friends grew any Nirvana strain were they or myself impressed. Not so much as one single time.
One that really stands out in my mind as a major total letdown was B52. At the time there were people on sites similar to this saying it was the most potent pot in the world. One guy claimed to be a very experienced toker and after only two hits he could not get up off the park bench he was sitting on for 4-hours. One of my friends grew it, a skilled grower that did not blow the grow, and I was expecting to be put in Oz and I can remember saying that it was less potent than some no-name Mexican strains I had smoked in the late 60's and early 70's let alone compared to the higher potency strains of the same era.
So you can lay to rest your attempts to claim that I have never had any exposure to Nirvana strains just because I have never wasted any of my own money on them or grown them and said I would not give so much as one small piece of dry cat shit for every seed in Nirvana's inventory. A large part of the reason I would not give so much as one small piece of dry cat shit for every seed in Nirvana's inventory is based on the Nirvana strains I HAVE smoked I would be more likely to get a better high if I smoked the one small piece of dry cat shit than if I grew out and smoked every seed in Nirvana's inventory.
There you go AGAIN with your totally false reality act.
Of course I would never critique a restaurant I never ate at, but if friends of mine took me there and bought me dinner and it was terrible, just as in the case of Nirvana strains, I would have no problem telling the world that the restaurant was terrible.
As long as you do actually try something that alone is enough to know about it. You do not have to waste your own money and time and efforts on something first to only then be able to know that it is garbage.
Brick Top
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That would come down to the opinions of each individual who reads this thread. Of course you would never accept having been beaten, but in the eyes of others you might be seen as having been Pearl Harbored.
What it is more likely to boil down to is a lack of a broad comparative base and amount of exposure to and experience with a lesser number of strains than some people have.
Here is an example. I have a friend in Illinois who has grown a handful of different breeders versions of White Widow. I do not know if any have been Nirvana. But he's always raved about them and said how it's his favorite strain. Once when he visited me I had some Mr. Nice Black Widow, the original White Widow, and I did not tell him what it was. The first time he smoked it he was totally blown away and said he had a new favorite strain and asked what it was. I said it was the original White Widow that had been renamed Black Widow and he was stunned that it was so much better than the White Widows he'd grown and smoked.
When he shopped for beans he wanted White Widow but he shopped by low price and that meant his selection was limited and that meant his comparative base was narrow and his experience with and exposure to strains, White Widow in particular since that is what he mostly purchased and grew, was highly limited. He never realized how much better a strain from a true quality breeder was than one from a bargain basement Wal-Mart breeder was.
Almost the same thing happened with him and some Serious Seeds AK47. This was back when almost every breeder was offering a version of AK47, and also Northern Lights. He had run out of pot before the crop he had going was finished and got some knockoff AK47. He came down bragging up the AK47 he had .... that is until he smoked some Serious Seeds AK47.
His exposure to and experience with true high grade genetics was so limited that what he grew and smoked seemed really good to him. It wasn't until after he had a chance to sample a number of strains from high quality breeders that he realized that what he really did believe was good was really not all that good after all. Previous to that he thought he was smoking top quality herb. Previous to that he really liked what he purchased, grew and smoked. Unfortunately for him he had become disabled and his income would not allow him to purchase top quality genetics and he will still bitch now and then that he wished he had never learned the difference because before that he was completely satisfied with what he bought and grew and smoked. To somewhat make it up to him when I get freebies with an order I always send them to him, and if one or some are from fairly decent breeders I always make sure to point that out to him. Even if they are still not the best of the best just knowing that they are not low-grade genetics like he would purchase, when he smokes it later he's always happier than a pig in shit and he always says he can tell a difference in quality.
As long as you are happy that is all that matters but for the sake of others who really do not know quality breeders from low-end breeders it would be nice if you did not mislead them and tell them that Nirvana ranks up with the big dogs of breeders.
Venture out some and check out about a half dozen different boards and see what people say there. Google problems with Nirvana Seeds or Nirvana seed problems or Nirvana genetics problems or Nirvana genetics sucks or Nirvana sucks and you will see that what's believed here is not universally believed.
This site has a higher percentage of newbies and almost still newbies than many sites and newbies flock to Nirvana so I would not consider the percentages of pro-Nirvana people here as being representative of how Nirvana is seen on all that many growing sites.
In the past I have been a member of growing sites where if someone posted a message saying that Nirvana genetics are quality you could almost hear the laughter of the people reading the message coming through your computer.
Check out this Nirvana complaint:
And how about this one:
What about this one:
Does this sound good to you:
Now this one is a dandy:
How about another:
And this:
And then there is this:
And how about these words from another BIG fan of Nirvana:
Now here is one that is not all bad:
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So were the people above that said how terrible Nirvana was.
You don't have to spend anywhere near that much. For $95.73 you can get 18 Mr. Nice Seeds G13 Widow seeds, or $79.77 gets you 18 Mr. Nice Seeds Shark Shock seeds, or $162.75 will get you 18 Mr. Nice Seeds Mango Haze Seeds, or $111.69 will get you 18 Mr. Nice Seeds Medicine Man seeds, or $95.73 will get you 18 Mr. Nice Seeds Black Widow seeds. Or for $71.79 you can get 10 Reeferman Willie Nelson seeds, or $35.09 will get you 10 Reeferman Santa Marta Colombian Gold seeds, or for $51.05 you can get 10 Reeferman G13 Haze seeds. $95.73 will get you 11 Serious Seeds White Russian seeds, or $111.69 will get you 11 Serious Seeds AK47 seeds, or $95.73 will get you 11 Serious Seeds Bubble Gum seeds. And there are MANY others that are from high quality breeders that are under $200.00. If you can keep mother plants and grow from clones in no time you would be money ahead rather than buying pack after pack of cheap low quality beans and even if you kept mothers of the cheap low quality strains and grew from clones the other breeders gear would let you toke better herb.
Brick Top
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wait a minute u mean i didnt get quoted i feel left out
damn u quoted just about every one on on riu but me
Take a number, I'll get to you as quickly as I can.
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Serapis
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The copy and paster strikes again.... I could spend all day finding posts praising Nirvana and do what you did.... this isn't a competition.. If you feel the need to "win" this discussion, as you do all others, then by all means, call yourself a fucking winner.... Yep, a cuss word.... I'm throwing in the towel, because you obviously are smarter than every other mother fucker on this board. There is no sense in anyone attempting to counter any of your bull shit because you are the man... You definitely know it all..... or so you think
I'm thankful to be in your presence.... oh mighty copy and paste king!
I'm thankful to be in your presence.... oh mighty copy and paste king!
steampick
Active Member
you keep attempting to create a false reality
Anyone who smokes weed is creating a false reality of sorts. Being high can enhance reality, indeed, but that enhanced reality is not the same one that is perceived by the 5 non-stoned senses, and therefore, false. Just saying.
Anyone who smokes weed is creating a false reality of sorts. Being high can enhance reality, indeed, but that enhanced reality is not the same one that is perceived by the 5 non-stoned senses, and therefore, false. Just saying.
Brick Top
New Member
I was just making a point. That being that Nirvana is not as beloved elsewhere as here or by as many people and someone like yourself believes it to be.
Did you notice the one complaint about Nirvana threatening to rat someone out ... exactly like they pulled with a friend of mine and like was mentioned in the thread here about a year or year and a half ago? And the other one earlier about Nirvana posting the customer's personal information?
Those are a bit more than someone upset about a low germ rate or an incorrect or only partial order being delivered or a strain advertised as being potent being weak. Threats to rat customers out to the law and posting customers personal information is very serious stuff.
Who would EVER want to deal with ANY breeder/seed vendor that would do that ... even if they had quality genetics?
People NEED to know this stuff about Nirvana and they NEED to know the risks they are taking dealing with Nirvana. If they know and still want do do business with Nirvana, that's totally cool and the gang with me ... but if they end up being ratted out to the cops by Nirvana after they complain about Nirvana ripping them off ... well at least they were warned and knew they were taking a risk and that they have no one to blame for the situation they find themselves in other than themselves.
Serapis
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No, but I do remember Shatibaba revealing JapanFreak's real name and address on his forums.... You know, your breeder buddy from Mr Nice..... I have no personal experience or knowledge of your claim regarding Nirvana. I don't accept it as fact because you say it is so.... I have not had any issues with Nirvana, neither have thousands of other happy posters. You can keep beating your horse, but I already told you, you are the winner. You reek of winning....
And if you are sincere in people knowing shit, then present both sides of the story. I consider it all BS anyways, just looking at the source.... I'll continue to do business with Nirvana until the screw with me. Up til now, I have had zero issues, something I cannot say about Attitude Seed Bank.....
And if you are sincere in people knowing shit, then present both sides of the story. I consider it all BS anyways, just looking at the source.... I'll continue to do business with Nirvana until the screw with me. Up til now, I have had zero issues, something I cannot say about Attitude Seed Bank.....
Serapis
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mully1982
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Well, according to BT here, your in a state of denial.... your reality is altered
Well I'll check them again but I could have sworn I seen 10 little white shoots popping out...
Serapis
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That can't be possible, not if they came from Nirvana, just ask BT.... He'll paste anything you want to know.. 
/sarcasm
/sarcasm
tingpoon
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wow bricktop makes great points as usual. i am actually really surprised about hearing this from nirvana. i mean that is effed. if its true you know what a shame, i thought they were better than that
Brick Top
New Member
I have no personal experience or knowledge of your claim regarding Nirvana. I do not accept it as fact because you say it is so.
See how that works? What I say carries every bit as much weight as what you say so if you refuse to accept what I say as being factual then I do not accept what you have been saying as being factual.
If you want to play ostrich and bury your head in the sand so you do not risk learning the truth about Nirvana, that is of course your prerogative. But others might appreciate the opportunity of learning what you do not want to learn,
I think part of the reason you refuse to accept the truth about Nirvana is that you have taken what I have said about Nirvana personally because you like Nirvana and you use Nirvana. I think you feel like I have said you are a fool or stupid or something like that for having used Nirvana and for supporting Nirvana and by defending Nirvana you are also actually defending yourself.
This is in no way personal. It is strictly factual.
Brick Top
New Member
Well, according to BT here, your in a state of denial.... your reality is altered
Are you really so thoroughly beaten that you now and stooped so low as to attempt to make fun of me by posting messages claiming things I would think or say in response to what someone wrote?
That is sad ..... really, really sad.