desert dude
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What do you have against profits? Are you a communist?
NO! On Prop 19
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desert dude
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Peace be upon you and your husband.
veggiegardener
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Why not just forget the 25 square foot limit and keep the playing field level?
Then I don't care how many monster grows are out there.
AND then you WILL see lower prices.
beardo
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yes to some extent.
I can see the merit in some of their ideals and I think i'm also a nationalist
desert dude
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The 25 sf rule is the minimum, it can be raised by cities and counties at their discretion.
Dan Kone
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That rule is there more to protect people from counties who would try to pass a law saying trying to get you to grow less than 25 ft. It can be raised, and there is no limit to how high it can be raised. The point of it is that it can not be lowered.
i know you guys want to make your money i understand that but shit dude theirs other people also think of them people want to grow their shit to without cops arresting and it will be better for usa get money from it all u have to do is lower the price of what u sell thats it also if they do legalize it the goverment will make shops and factories like tabco company but they wont offer all types of strains u offer to ur clients
stonedmetalhead1
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I was watching some news clips from all over California and they said this bill would allow counties to opt out of prop 19. I still don't know if it's true and I can't see what part of the bill would allow that but if it does I could see most counties opting out of it.
luvourmother
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Prop 19 is VERY similar to 215 when it comes to cities and counties drafting ordinances in regards to marijuana. However this is just for sales, and regulation, they cannot eliminate the 25 sq ft growing allowance because that is statewide.
The cities and counties that currently allow medical marijuana dispensaries and collectives will most likely allow recreational sales too. conversely the places that have set of a precedent of being anti-marijuana will most likely limit sales, but once again they cannot eliminate the right to grow within the state limits at home.
stonedmetalhead1
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It just doesn't make sense to me why Lee would write this bill to limit individuals so much without a hidden agenda. This will probably will be a close decision and if it fails it will be because marijuana supporters aren't all on board do to personal restrictions. If this bill fails the only person you can blame is Lee for not writing this bill for the people.
if MJ growers were deciding the issue, then the proposition would likely have been written differently
but growers are a very small percentage of the California electorate
this proposition was written to appeal to a large cross section of voters
most legislation is about compromise, it's the real world, you don't always get exactly what you want
luvourmother
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im sorry what is limiting about 19? It allows for Everyone of age is to grow more bud than they need...
stonedmetalhead1
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I think you would be surprised how many growers there are and I bet Lee was banking on the fact that the growing community doesn't make up a huge percentage of voters. This way he can get his self benefiting bill passed without many people even questioning this angle.
stonedmetalhead1
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25 sq ft! no free market! yeah that's not limiting.
it's hard to refute conspiracy theories, the imagination seems to run wild
if prop 19 passes, do you actually think the people that grow now will start limiting their grows after?
if they're currently black market, i don't see prop 19 scaring anyone into smaller grows
Lee is one of a number of large dispensary operators in the Oakland area, just what advantage does he get over other operators?
stonedmetalhead1
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Thats not my problem with this bill. Yes people will continue to grow and they will still be considered criminals while Lee grants himself and a few others (people lucky enough to get commercial permits) immunity from prosecution. He is in fact making it so any possible competition remains illegal. Oakland, the city where Lee is from, only has 4 permits. Hmmm? that doesn't seem shady.
i will give you that, the permit process is shady
but that's not just MJ, liquor licensing is hardly a squeaky clean process
no matter how you structure it, there likely will be shady goings on in any permitting process, whether it's permits for residential building, retail stores, you name it
but i can't imagine a proposition that can cope with this, it goes beyond MJ and into government at its core
stonedmetalhead1
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No, as you can see in the CCHHI it specifically talks about limiting restrictions on the permit process. Prop 19 allows for cities and counties to regulate permits however they choose. As for liquor licenses, show me one town that only has 2 bars that are allowed to sell alcohol. I understand that more than likely permits would be limited to some degree but Prop 19 allows places like Oakland set up a monopoly for 4 individuals dealing with commercial production and 2 individuals for distribution.
potroast
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Of course it doesn't make sense to you, you have made that abundantly clear. The big picture is difficult to grasp. But putting the blame for this not passing on Lee is ridiculous. If it doesn't pass, it will be because of people like YOU are are campaigning against it. Please try to take some responsibility instead of blaming others for your actions.
But of course, a typical conspiracy theorist will always place blame elsewhere.
Please vote YES.
if prop 19 tried to spell out a specific regulatory framework for commercial sales, it would have likely become a nightmare of complexity
it's already too complicated for many who suspect the worst
you may get a permit process that is less than ideal at the local level
but there are other laws that regulate commerce, and MJ will start to fall under those laws
that some sketchy deals will appear i have no doubt, but there other checks and balances
local officials screwing you over? these people are quite vulnerable in local elections, organize and get them out of there