Reasons to Vote yes on Prop 19

[TokinPodPilot]

Absolutely not. I'm willing to admit there are both pros and cons to prop 19. You guys won't admit that it does any good at all even if that means you have to spread misinformation.

Perhaps because any "pros" of the proposition are in favor of big business and centralized-distribution models. And those "pros" come at fairly steep cost. New restrictions to "personal consumption" which are downright dangerous to the cannabis community, legislatively backed new profiling techniques for law enforcement to further abuse "intent to sell", and nearly unfettered ability for local governments to outright ban the cannabis industry and/or set guidelines conducive to big business interests only. Yes, they have the option to do otherwise, but you would have to ignore 80 years of local history and politics to believe that. Indeed, this may be the worst time to be giving government entities more ability to set policy as they see fit, given that the two most likely candidates to replace Schwarzenegger are both staunch anti-cannabis platformers. And both are bigger pawns of/collaborators with big business.

Just because you had a personal bad business dealing with Richard Lee doesn't mean prop 19 is 100% evil. Like most things in life it has it's pros and cons. But it's hard to have an honest discussion with people like you who won't even admit the possibility of anything positive coming out of it.

Let's see. Dick profits unethically off of medical patients and uses that money to bank roll a proposition that he wrote himself and bought the signatures for. And then has enough money to begin to bankroll warehouse grows, and he's not evil, how? I don't know about you, but anyone who uses others to finance themselves into a monopoly, even if it's in one city only, qualifies as evil in my book. To expect someone like Dick Lee would write community-beneficial legislation is about as realistic as expecting BP to suddenly operate safely because they played musical executives.

 

[fdd2blk]

Well you won't tell me who all these mythical people who are going to be sent to jail over prop19 are, so I have to assume you're talking about the age restrictions being that this is the only conceivable way anyone could be sent to jail over prop 19.

you keep believing that.

 

[EmptyWords]

i dont understand what the big hurry to legalize is anyway. prop 19 is bullshit, and yes i read it and am aware of all the bs. Why not vote no on this and wait untill next year and try to pass a law that actually "legalizes" marijuana? im not from cali but if i was i would vote no. thats got to say something when people from other states dont even agree with some bullshit that dont effect them.

 

[Dan Kone]

Perhaps because any "pros" of the proposition are in favor of big business and centralized-distribution models.

What specifically in the bill do you think favors of big business?

And those "pros" come at fairly steep cost. New restrictions to "personal consumption" which are downright dangerous to the cannabis community,

What new restrictions on personal consumption? Right now you can consume no cannabis for recreational purposes under current state law. This allows you to have an ounce or more depending on local laws. How is being allowed to have an ounce (or more depending on where you live) more restrictive than being allowed to have none at all?

legislatively backed new profiling techniques for law enforcement to further abuse "intent to sell",

Yep. Cops are assholes. You'll get no argument from me there. But this bill doesn't make them that way. They can't help it. They all have small dicks or were bullied in highschool.

and nearly unfettered ability for local governments to outright ban the cannabis industry and/or set guidelines conducive to big business interests only. Yes, they have the option to do otherwise, but you would have to ignore 80 years of local history and politics to believe that.

Well that depends. Surely you are going to be correct in some areas. Orange county will probably do everything they can to get in the way of this. Oakland is obviously corrupt as hell, no doubt. But some areas will go the other way.

San Francisco for example is the complete opposite of either of those places. They have no interest in handing anyone cannabis monopolies.

Indeed, this may be the worst time to be giving government entities more ability to set policy as they see fit,

Doesn't any legalization law end with that same result?

given that the two most likely candidates to replace Schwarzenegger are both staunch anti-cannabis platformers.

Nah. Jerry is cool. He used to smoke. He just has to pretend he's against it for political purposes.

Meg Witman however is the devil incarnate. If she's elected we are all fucked. Seriously, we're all screwed if that happens. She'll try to end 215 all together.

And both are bigger pawns of/collaborators with big business.

Awwww come on. Jerry isn't so bad. We could do a lot worse.

Let's see. Dick profits unethically off of medical patients and uses that money to bank roll a proposition that he wrote himself and bought the signatures for. And then has enough money to begin to bankroll warehouse grows, and he's not evil, how?

Yeah, he's evil. Not arguing that. But hey, just because he's evil doesn't mean he can't do anything good. Hitler made the trains run on time!

I don't know about you, but anyone who uses others to finance themselves into a monopoly, even if it's in one city only, qualifies as evil in my book. To expect someone like Dick Lee would write community-beneficial legislation is about as realistic as expecting BP to suddenly operate safely because they played musical executives.

Well there is nothing specifically in this bill that prohibits small cannabis businesses. We'll all have our chance to compete against Richard Lee. I for one welcome that competition. He grows schwagg. I say bring it on.

 

[EmptyWords]

lol. I love how everyone thinks they are going to start their own cannabis business. good luck getting a license.

 

[Dan Kone]

s. Why not vote no on this and wait untill next year and try to pass a law that actually "legalizes" marijuana? im not from cali but if i was i would vote no.

Because there is no guarantee there will be another ballot measure that has a legitimate chance to pass next year. The only reason this bill has a chance to pass is because of the state of the economy and the tax money it'll bring in. Even with that, polling is with in the margin of error. This could be a one time opportunity.

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

 

[Dan Kone]

lol. I love how everyone thinks they are going to start their own cannabis business. good luck getting a license.

Well if you're not afraid of a little (or a lot) of paper work, then why not? This is America right?

 

[EmptyWords]

Because there is no guarantee there will be another ballot measure that has a legitimate chance to pass next year. The only reason this bill has a chance to pass is because of the state of the economy and the tax money it'll bring in. Even with that, polling is with in the margin of error. This could be a one time opportunity.

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

well im sure eventually another bill will be proposed. its been illegal this long, why not wait it longer? i dont see what the big deal is. the world doesnt revolve around weed, well mine doesnt anyway.

 

[EmptyWords]

Well if you're not afraid of a little (or a lot) of paper work, then why not? This is America right?

i was reading it costs at least 30 grand to get a license, i could be wrong but i know i read it from several places.

 

[fdd2blk]

well im sure eventually another bill will be proposed. its been illegal this long, why not wait it longer? i dont see what the big deal is. the world doesnt revolve around weed, well mine doesnt anyway.

from what i'm hearing this is supposed to "save" california. just like the lottery did.

 

[EmptyWords]

i was reading it costs at least 30 grand to get a license, i could be wrong but i know i read it from several places.

if this is true do you plan on getting a bank loan for that lol.

 

[Dan Kone]

well im sure eventually another bill will be proposed.

Proposed and having a realistic chance at passing are two different things entirely. How can you be sure and when is eventually?

its been illegal this long, why not wait it longer?

Because I have ADD.

What happens if "longer" = 20 years? Why should I wait longer. Prohibition is wrong now. This could be the first step at ending it.

i dont see what the big deal is. the world doesnt revolve around weed, well mine doesnt anyway.

Actually, mine does. I tried to do the 9/5 work in an office thing when I finished school, but that shit wasn't for me.

 

[Dan Kone]

i was reading it costs at least 30 grand to get a license, i could be wrong but i know i read it from several places.

Yep. You're wrong. It will cost a mandatory $5k with a $2.5k renewal fee. However that does not stop other cities/counties from adding additional fees on top of that. So it could cost you $5k, or it could cost you $30k. Depends where you live.

edit: that's for commercial grows. There is no set fee to open a dispensary.

 

[Dan Kone]

from what i'm hearing this is supposed to "save" california. just like the lottery did.

Yeah, I didn't buy that one either. lol. But whatever works.

 

[EmptyWords]

Proposed and having a realistic chance at passing are two different things entirely. How can you be sure and when is eventually?



Because I have ADD.

What happens if "longer" = 20 years? Why should I wait longer. Prohibition is wrong now. This could be the first step at ending it.



Actually, mine does. I tried to do the 9/5 work in an office thing when I finished school, but that shit wasn't for me.

how can i be sure? because most likely another bill will be proposed and passed eventually, who the fuck knows how long, and if you think it wont happen than i dont know what to tell you.

Why shouldnt you wait longer??
if you can still goto jail for any kind of charge that has to do with weed its not legal, therefore certain shit is still illegal and it doesnt help no one already in jail. this shit was made for big business and thats it.

working at an office is not the life for me either but sometimes you gotta man up and do shit you dont want to do, thats life.

 

[EmptyWords]

Yep. You're wrong. It will cost a mandatory $5k with a $2.5k renewal fee. However that does not stop other cities/counties from adding additional fees on top of that. So it could cost you $5k, or it could cost you $30k. Depends where you live.

edit: that's for commercial grows. There is no set fee to open a dispensary.

i find it hilarious that so many people think they are going to open cafes and other bs in cali and make a living, if everyone that says they are going to do that did, no one would make enough money to keep the doors open. there would be some kind of weed shop on every corner of cali.

 

[EmptyWords]

Plus im willing to bet the dea is going to crack down hard on cali and make an example out if it if this shit passes.

 

[EmptyWords]

I also believe that med users will be fucked because why would they need medical mj if its legal? i dont need to goto the doctor to get Tylenol.

 

[TokinPodPilot]

Well you won't tell me who all these mythical people who are going to be sent to jail over prop19 are, so I have to assume you're talking about the age restrictions being that this is the only conceivable way anyone could be sent to jail over prop 19.

Oh goodie... from the Initiative, from the added to Heath and Safety Code as section 11300:

(b) “Personal consumption” shall include but is not limited to possession and consumption, in any form, of cannabis in a residence or other non-public place, and shall include licensed premises open to the public authorized to permit on-premises consumption of cannabis by a local government pursuant to section 11301.
(c) “Personal consumption” shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
(i) possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301;
(ii) consumption in public or in a public place;
(iii) consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator;
(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.

The bold are the others besides 18-20 crowd that you're so ready to cut and run on. I know in Golden Gate Park, it's not uncommon for people to gather on the weekend and have a smoke session. Same for Venice Beach in Los Angeles and Ocean Avenue in Santa Monica. Part (iv) is pretty self-explanatory on why it's not such a good idea.

Subsection (a) is the one we all know... blah blah over 21 can grow and cultivate for personal consumption. Gotcha, don't care about kids. They're old enough to work and pay taxes and go die, but not enjoy what they already have the right to enjoy. Not the way I do things, but OK.

Subsection (b) is a real tickler. While it seems to make ground-breaking allowances, we already have the right to consume in the home and non-public spaces. All it does make allowances for are retail centers. Adding more middle men doesn't do much to help the recreational user, in my opinion, but lots to help the middle men.

Subsection (c) I sort of already reviewed. Part (i) and (iii), are clever pieces of legislative trickery. "Intent to sell" and "driving under the influence" are already covered under existing Health and Safety Codes. By including them in this proposition, it makes it easier for law enforcement and/or regulatory agencies to set new guidelines for both charges, which we know are the most common charges utilized for nabbing smokers today. And with the taxes that are suddenly being funneled into regulation, that means more cops hired to bust smokers any way they can.

 

[EmptyWords]

also for the people that are concerned with getting busted with weed and whatnot, why not get a med card and be legal? ANYBODY can get one, my doc flat out told me i dont qualify but then he said he was going to lie and make shit up because he thinks it will help me so he spoke in to a recorder for about 5 mins saying alot of bs that i dont have wrong with me and that was that. $190 later i had my card.