Sgt. Floyd
Well-Known Member
Its still relevant to Christianity. Its still the "word of God", it has the story of creation, the history of God's people and the messianic prophecies. I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with Christianity.
CrackerJax
New Member
Nonsense..... The two are quite separate....unless you are willing to call urself a Christian Jew as ur identity. Are you?
P.S. Neither one is the word of G*D.... more nonsense. I do understand how a primitive ppl could come up with such a myth....but popularity is not a bell weather for the truth.
P.S. Neither one is the word of G*D.... more nonsense. I do understand how a primitive ppl could come up with such a myth....but popularity is not a bell weather for the truth.
Sgt. Floyd
Well-Known Member
I missed this earlier. Its not often we get good bud where I'm at but I'm lucky enough to have 4 different unknown varieties of really good bud.
I completely agree with that. I think its the point I was trying to make. Most Christians are just too stupid or anti-Semitic to admit it.
Babs34
Well-Known Member
It all correlates.
Genesis (Torah)
022:008 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for
a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Isaiah (still OT)Science will not refute the preservation of this book either. There is no mistake that a young Muslim boy, named Muhammad no doubt, found this book in a cave either.
Note that Muslims DO see the quran as being the word of God written from the hand of allah.
We Christians aren't near as nutty as you think.
13: And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
14: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15: Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
16: For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Chapter 9 vs. 6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7: Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Isaiah 30:18 And therefore will the LORD wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you: for the LORD is a God of judgment: blessed are all they that wait for him.
Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isaiah 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Isaiah 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isaiah 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah 43:8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
Isaiah 43:9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
Isaiah 43:18 Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.
Isaiah 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
I, the LORD — with the first of them and with the last — I am he." Isaiah 41:4
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 48:6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.
Isaiah 48:7 They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.
Isaiah 48:8 Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Isaiah 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isaiah 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are all healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was opposed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
In the book of John verse 8:58 Jesus says: "before Abraham was, I am".
Exodus (also Torah) Chapter 3:14
God said to Moses, "I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you.
The Bible is not written BY God, but it is OF God.
Genesis (Torah)
022:008 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for
a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Isaiah (still OT)Science will not refute the preservation of this book either. There is no mistake that a young Muslim boy, named Muhammad no doubt, found this book in a cave either.
Note that Muslims DO see the quran as being the word of God written from the hand of allah.
We Christians aren't near as nutty as you think.
13: And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
14: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15: Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
16: For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Chapter 9 vs. 6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7: Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Isaiah 30:18 And therefore will the LORD wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you: for the LORD is a God of judgment: blessed are all they that wait for him.
Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isaiah 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Isaiah 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isaiah 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah 43:8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
Isaiah 43:9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
Isaiah 43:18 Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.
Isaiah 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
I, the LORD — with the first of them and with the last — I am he." Isaiah 41:4
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 48:6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.
Isaiah 48:7 They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.
Isaiah 48:8 Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Isaiah 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isaiah 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are all healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was opposed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
In the book of John verse 8:58 Jesus says: "before Abraham was, I am".
Exodus (also Torah) Chapter 3:14
God said to Moses, "I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you.
The Bible is not written BY God, but it is OF God.
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PadawanBater
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LMFAO Rick made a youtube account!!
LMFAO Rick made a youtube account!!
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PadawanBater
Guest
What does that mean exactly? God spoke to man and man wrote it down?
Babs34
Well-Known Member
...exactly
Babs34
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Sgt. Floyd
Well-Known Member
The way I was always taught is that the works were inspired by the Holy Spirit. That was in Catholic Sunday school.
CrackerJax
New Member
Oh, so it must be true.... 
Control....
Control....
jfgordon1
Well-Known Member
God created the earth and heavens... but couldn't write down a few words.
Come'on Babs... you seriously believe this?
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420HAZE420
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The thing that you dont understand is that its only the weak and foolish christians and other religous people who set strict laws on the way they think and live.Me myself am protestant I know the truth but I dont live by what churches and other religions force people to live by.You and I are alot alike we both dont take bullshit from anyone and we believe in whats right and wrong from our own personal life experiences.Are you one of the atheist whos main argument is....."If god does exist why does he let bad things happen?" uhmm.... Becuase what kind of world would this be if everything was perfect with no problems......We would all all be so used to everything being perfect that we would eventualy stop appreciating everything all together.We would be like children who get whatever they want.
God bless all of my brothers and sisters for they are the sons and daughters of the almighty lord jesus christ
God bless all of my brothers and sisters for they are the sons and daughters of the almighty lord jesus christ
Stoney McFried
Well-Known Member
I sharted. What kind of "intelligent" designer wouldn't put a lid over my cornhole to prevent such a thing?
shnkrmn
Well-Known Member
well, he didn't have a pen, did he? Or hands? oh yeah, he's created in our image. Or vice-versa. Anyway, lots of thoughts, so little time to create, you know, the whole artist deal.
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420HAZE420
Guest
Oh i see your the type of athiest that wants god to pop out of your wall and let you know he exist whenever you say.
You are the type of person who started looking for god as a skeptic, therefore you will never find him as you have always lacked faith in the lord and creator of all things.
God bless all of my brothers and sisters for they are the sons and daughters of the almighty lord jesus christ.
jfgordon1
Well-Known Member
Why doesn't he? If he wants me to believe and not want me to burn in hell he would.
However, you're right... I was always a skeptic. I never believed. I also never believed in santa claus... ever. Guess I have always been a logical thinker.
mindphuk
Well-Known Member
So your god gives us the brains for logical, rational thought but doesn't want us to use those faculties when it comes to him?
