Ron Paul
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dukeofbaja
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Ron Paul is Dennis Kucinich on the other side of the spectrum (to make a huge overgeneralization). Except Kucinich has a hotter wife. They are the two politicians I hold some respect for, just based on the fact that they practice what they believe is right, and are not dirty on the take pigs. Although I have not searched for much dirt on either, so my opinioon is very vulnerable to counterargument.
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BigTitLvr
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He is an old school republican. A real republican. Ideologically, the kind of republican they are ALL supposed to be. Limited government, limited taxes. If every republican was REALLY like him, not just in name, I would never consider voting for single payer health care. But the kind of republicans that exist in this country are just greedy, big government liars- secretly in bed with greedy, big government liar democrats.
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Ron Paul has no conception of the global political realities and is a foolish isolationist. As much as I might agree with him on size of government, I know he would preside over the downfall of America and I could never be persuaded to vote for him.
Rob Roy
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So who did you vote for last time and why?
speedyseedz
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Do you think if Ron Paul was elected he would be assasinated?
Just because he doesn't seem to be won over easily by bankers and investors.
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guitarabuser
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Isolationist/Constitutionalist...depends on where you are coming from. The framers of the document never meant for us to have an empire stretched around the globe.
fitch303
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We have over 820 installations in at least 135 countries with over 300,000 troops overseas (reminds you of the Romans doesn't it), That costs a massive amount of money to sustain and Ron Paul doesn't think the citizens should have to pay for the security of other nations. Defense pacts and alliances turned two local/regional matters into 2 massive world wars.
Rob Roy
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You are correct. Excessive Military expenditures can bankrupt a country especially when combined with excessive entitlements. The Warfare / Welfare State is what exists today and it's no coincidence the country is broke!
beardo
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thats how it seems but i dont think they even have to do that now...they would just make sure whoever they dont support wont be elected...either through lack of financing-campaining and advertising- or through vote tampering or rigging-or through the electorial collage because they dont have to ellect the prisedent the most people voted for. their cannadate wins everytime their cannidates are the only choices...
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I voted for McCain as a vote against Obama. I liked Guiliani early and would have preferred Romney to McCain.
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In what sense do we have an empire now? The framers were isolationist by today's standards for good reason - we were very isolated geographically. But it was at that time that the US became the bow wave of globalization and we remain so today. The scale is larger, the world is smaller but it is still our historic role, I believe.
Rob Roy
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Thank you for answering the question. I will terrorize you later on your horrible choices...gotta go.
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guitarabuser
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They specifically warned against America being involved in matters that do not concern us. Whether by foreign aid or military action.
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.
But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.
She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.
She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.
She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.
The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....
She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.... John Quincy Adams
BigTitLvr
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You doubt we are funding the behaviors of an empire and you think the framers of the constitution would have agreed with our current global expansion.
I see I can disregard any opinions you have on government now. The framers couldn't have been more specific on the role of government. And it is the recent Republican administrations who have so drastically varied from their intent.
They are often refered to as "Republicans in name only" or 'Neo-conservatives'. You remarks on government fit precisely in to their objectives. And I completely disagree with their worldview and yours.
But, I agree with your right to say it. But it sure sounds violent, oppressive and expensive. Well, that is the new Republican...
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guitarabuser
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I'm not attacking you, but this blame game is exactly why our government has not been reformed. The constitution has been ignored by our government for over a century. How many democratic presidents laid the ground work for our current state? The blame is about equal.
Look no further than the headlines. Mandatory health insurance is just as unconstitutional as the Patriot Act.
BigTitLvr
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Agreed. But I am not attacking republicans, but rather their poor history of leadership which the United States of Amnesia seems to conveniently forget.
My point was that there seems to be an inflamed rash of pro-republicanism in the website lately and I can't for the life of me understand what would bring this on. What good have republicans, in particular, done for this country?
Realistically, there is no difference between the two parties. What they say on the campaign trails are big, fat lies. Put either one in office and they do exactly what the big business and bankers who paid to get them in office want. Can't pot smokers see thru this shit? Is this simply American's latent racism directed toward democrats?
But if you have to choose a candidate, why can't compassionate people look for a compassionate candidate. I have never heard one word of compassion come out of a republicans mouth, with the exception of Ron Paul stating he would never use federal funds to bust pot smokers. But that is his libertarianism streak and NOT ONE other republican agreed with him.
Where is all this love of republicanism coming from? It doesn't matter who is in office. Just that they preside over sound, competent legislation being passed for the betterment of the MAJORITY of the nation; not the few, rich and connected.
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guitarabuser
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Ron Paul has a rare quality that Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter both had: They honestly believed in what they were doing. Doesn't mean that it would make him a great president (Carter wasn't), but look at what we get most of the time. We elect candidates that are good at getting elected, but are crappy leaders (something Bush 2, Clinton, and Obama have in common).
I think we are fucked and I think it's going to take a true believer to lead us out of it.
medicineman
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I believe the difference between conservatives and liberals can be summed up by two words, people and money. Liberals are all about people, and conservatives are all about money. Not every liberal, and not every conservative, but the majority on both sides.
BigTitLvr
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Did you seriously describe Reagan as a true believer? Of what? Reagan was a shill; a puppet for big business. (Just like nearly EVERY president of the past century.) But he is the perfect example of the kind of republican the people on the website seem to be idolizing.
Let's talk about this hypocrisy: When Reagan took office he enacted the biggest tax cuts in a generation, I think. He sold the country on 'trickle down economics. Here's his argument: if the richest people in the country pay lower taxes, they will have more money start companies, create jobs, and buy good and services. And this money will slowly trickle down back in the economy.
So he does it; he lowers the taxes on the rich, cutting off funding to the government but he doesn't reduce spending of the federal government- NO REPUBLICAN EVER HAS, regardless of their campaign promises. He just shifts the money he cuts from school programs into the military, to pad his rich friends pockets further.
When Reagan began his term, the national deficit was 700 million dollars. When he leaves it is 3 trillion.
I don't know where you all are getting your information from. I have to assume it is fox news. I am not an Obama supported. I want REAL reform which would benefit the American people. And neither of the two parties represent reform. They are two sides of the same coin. And anyone who doesn't see that is literally brainwashed.
Politicians don't care about you. They don't give a fuck about us or our families. They are high priced prostitutes for big business and banks. BOTH republicans and democrats just want to raise taxes and give it back to private industry who got them in office. Deficit spending is stealing the wealth of the middle class and BOTH parties are in on the scam. You believers have been had.