Are MMJ patients paying illegal prices?

Katatawnic

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Patients do not need to complain about prices. If they want cheap weed they can put together a grow system for under $100 to grow their own medicine. Maybe after they lose a crop or two of $50 seeds, flood their room accidently, fight an invasion of insects, spend hours doing research, and many more hours watering, feeding, odor control, etc. then they will get an idea of why it can't be $25
LOL! Try more like $500 low end, closer to $1,000! I've spent every penny I could (and my fiance also pulled money out of his savings a few times to contribute to my grow, even though he's working on buying a house; bless his heart!), and still I can't combat the So. CA Mojave heat enough to get the temps optimal. Manageable, but not optimal; and their flowering growth is slowed a bit due to this.

Now, I haven't lost any crops (barring my first grow of all males, but fortunately that was just bag seed, lol), had insect problems, or any other mishaps aside from pythium in July due to the heat (which fortunately I quickly fixed).... and I'm not under the belief that $25 an oz. is reasonable. I honestly haven't come to a personal opinion as to what good MMJ "should" cost, but my opinion is that it shouldn't be nearly as high as it is.

I do wholeheartedly agree that the dispensaries are jacking both the growers and the patients! 100% profit (or much more) is thievery, especially when, let's face it, most people that truly need MMJ are much too ill to work, so we have to rely on a measly $850 monthly to support ourselves. (That's SSI including CA's "supplemental" payment; so SSI varies from state to state.) Yes, profit is necessary to run a business, and I've no problem whatsoever with dispensaries being a business; they've got overhead such as shop rent/lease, employees to pay, utilities, licensing, etc. But they are the ones ripping us off.... the patients and the growers. Or do they figure the "nice environment" is grounds for "reasonable" compensation? :lol: That's not a necessity! All that is necessary is access to our medication. I could care less if the place is ugly.... just keep it sanitary and the shelves stocked with what we need.

Like GrowTech said, selling for twice (or more!) than they paid the growers/vendors is far from "reasonable" compensation. How the hell can this fit into "non-profit" guidelines, which they're supposed to be at this point in time?! Growers selling to a dispensary aren't receiving the "reasonable" compensation; it's 100% the other way around. So the clubs charge twice what they pay for the product they sell, and I find it extremely hard to believe that they aren't making far above and beyond "reasonable" compensation for their overhead. Hell, if I bought an oz. for $200 and pay three for four guys to sell it for me at $400 an oz., WTF amount of work did I do for which to be compensated so largely? (Let's face it: most often you can find people to peddle your dope very cheap; as in barely enough to pay for their own habits.)

I'm all for free enterprise, but this isn't about "just" a business. Again, most people who need MMJ so badly can't afford the ridiculous club or street costs. This is why I've been stuck with brick for the last four years, and before that I always had the best of the best. (This is why I started growing a few months ago; and it wreaks havoc on my body beyond description, but at least it won't wreak havoc on my SSI checks anymore! Lesser of two evils and all that jazz! But what happens when my body gives out, and I can no longer maintain my grows?!) I've never stepped one foot into a dispensary, and I don't foresee doing so in the future.... it's a matter of principle for me. I can get, say, Afghan Kush (substitute this for any personally desired strain; that just came from the top of my head because my AK seed sprouted a couple days ago, lol) from a black market dealer cheaper than I can get the same from a club. Yet the black market isn't set up for medicating the ill, whereas the dispensaries are supposed to be exactly that.... Compassionate Care, anyone?!

There's absolutely no reason the clubs can't charge lower prices and still be compensated for their overhead, and still make a profit. At the least, charge less than the street dealers.... this would draw more MMJ patients to the clubs, and ultimately bring them more business and therefore more profit. That is simple common sense. :hump:

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Katatawnic

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i bet evry 1 disagreein smokes n just wanna get stoned lol tell me im rong??
You're wrong. :lol: Seriously, I rarely use enough to get stoned. I dose it. Take in a little bit, wait a good 10-20 minutes to see if it's enough to help the pain, and if not then take in a little again.

There are only two circumstances in which you'll see me stoned.... either I'm in so much pain that I need a lot to control it and I'm at the point where I don't care if I'm bombed anymore, or it's a "special" occasion a couple/few times a year like the Super Bowl, etc.; as I'm not a drinker. ;)

And, I use it daily. :hump:
 

Katatawnic

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LOL! Try more like $500 low end, closer to $1,000!

I wasn't referring to "micro" grows that yield an ounce if lucky. I'm growing my full 6/12 plant limit, in order to yield enough for cooking. Eating MMJ is more effective for my pain than smoking it. And of course cooking with MMJ takes much more than what a micro/cabinet grow can provide.... and there's no way that $100 or so would finance that.
Just thought I'd clarify. :mrgreen:
 

iivan740

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Okay, when I go buy pot, how do I know I'm buying pot from a master grower or otherwise? Your scenario also presupposes that every co-op, etc. only use master growers that grow the best pot on the planet using the most cutting edge organic watchamacallit. I don't think that's the case. If an individual co-op agrees amongst its members that they want to have their members spend the most possible on growing to produce the most amazing results, and as a result they all pay more for the product, well, that's their decision I suppose.

"6. Permissible Reimbursements and Allocations: Marijuana grown at a
collective or cooperative for medical purposes may be:
a) Provided free to qualified patients and primary caregivers who are
members of the collective or cooperative;
b) Provided in exchange for services rendered to the entity;
c) Allocated based on fees that are reasonably calculated to cover
overhead costs and operating expenses; or d) Any combination of the above."

I'm fairly confident that legal fees for being arrested for committing a crime cannot be included as overhead. The IRS may take issue with that. I'm also fairly confident that can.i.buz's deal involves a small amount of people. This does not warrant a full time accountant. You maybe could include the cost of hiring an accountant to do your taxes, I don't think my tax guy includes his fee when he calculates my Schedule C. We're talking basic math here. Not the sort of stuff that requires a specialist. The "detailed expense account" is what a business owner does in a small business. That's what I provide my accountant.

I agree it takes some knowledge to grow decent MJ. But it isn't rocket science. Some of it is manual labor, which doesn't fetch a huge wage.

In any event, even with your new figure of $100 an ounce that is still a lot less than what it's going for at all of the dispensaries. I would be stoked if that was the price. Cheers.
By master grower I ment someone capable of acheiving 4 lb under 2000 watts of medical grade marijuana. I don't think that many people are capable of this, I did see it in a video once but not with the permissible number of plants under California law. I was overstating the obvious there.
I think that i'm agreeing with you, were saying the same thing I think.
I was being sourcastic about the accountant.
I think that most people who chose to be providers are doing so with compassion and care about the needs of the patients.
I think that there are to many hands in the cookie jar, and that in the end it's the patient that pays. My point is that the grower isn't the problem and if it were really legal then the grower would feel more comfortable dealing directly with the patients. This would most likely cause the price to be cut drastically because the grower (as said before by others here) is compassionate and not the one actually jacking the price and sticking the PatienT. I think $25 and $500 are both a bit unreasonable.
As for the legal fees and non profit, I think it fits under operating expenses, at least for the time being. Another jk; well sort of.
 

Katatawnic

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My point is that the grower isn't the problem and if it were really legal then the grower would feel more comfortable dealing directly with the patients.
I've heard/read that if the grower is MMJ certified (but not as a caregiver), s/he can give and/or sell to another MMJ certified person. Is this true, or hogwash?
 

iivan740

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I've heard/read that if the grower is MMJ certified (but not as a caregiver), s/he can give and/or sell to another MMJ certified person. Is this true, or hogwash?
I don't know. The only thing that I know for certain is that Marijuana cultivation is illegal under federal law, federal law supersedes state law everyday all day, and there are several levels to distribution of many products including medication for a reason.
 

Katatawnic

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Well yeah, I knew all of that. :lol: OK, I'm allowed to give an MMJ friend a seed or clone; which is technically like giving the medication. (I'm sure LEO would see it that way. lol) I figured that meant I could also give an MMJ friend bud, as well. However, although I've read much of the legal mumbo jumbo, I've not gotten through all of it. Probably haven't found all of it.
 

Mcgician

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As a provider to a MMJ dispensary, I'm concerned. We are in a legal grey area still. There are a lot of costs associated with cultivation including potentially a huge legal bill, not to mention electricity and nutes. Air, rain, dirt and sunlight are free. Most growers aren't free to use them. Also, I spend at least 30 hours a week working on the plants. I couldn't be compensated a reasonable amount for my time @ $25 an ounce. Do you grow? Would you spend 30 hours a week and charge $25 an ounce? :confused:
With you 100% on this! That guy sounds more like a smoker, not a grower. I just love to hear people say, "it's just a weed man", it'll take care of itself as if you just have to throw some seeds out in the dirt, come back in 6 months, and ouila, presto, bam, boom-zam, huge, perfect resiny nugs.......EVERYWHERE. Fucking PULEEZ......:roll:
 

can.i.buz

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Well yeah, I knew all of that. :lol: OK, I'm allowed to give an MMJ friend a seed or clone; which is technically like giving the medication. (I'm sure LEO would see it that way. lol) I figured that meant I could also give an MMJ friend bud, as well. However, although I've read much of the legal mumbo jumbo, I've not gotten through all of it. Probably haven't found all of it.
You can give or sell for reasonable compensation anything that you grow that is extra as long as you stay within your limits and you verify that the other person has the required written documentation. You must verify with their doctor. I'm working on a website right now that will enable dispensaries and cultivators to verify patients online.
 
I also have a problem with dispensaries charging street dealer prices. The common street dealer doesn't come close to moving the weight the dispensaries do. I have no problem with the dispensaries making good profit because they should, but the weight they move should bring the patient discounted prices. 25$ ounces just isn't realistic.
 

opium grower

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What the hell are you talking about? Opium grower, I think you belong in another forum and certainly on another thread.
Um...That's what you sent me. They will see it too because I gave my login to an admin because somebody was most likely a narc attempting to buy stuff.
 

can.i.buz

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I also have a problem with dispensaries charging street dealer prices. The common street dealer doesn't come close to moving the weight the dispensaries do. I have no problem with the dispensaries making good profit because they should, but the weight they move should bring the patient discounted prices. 25$ ounces just isn't realistic.
I think until all the legal issues are very clear, prices will be high for all of us. It's up to us to get out there an support the groups that are working hard to fill in the legal grey areas. The more informed you are, the more you will realize what shaky ground we are on. Everyone with a problem with prices should join ASA or Norml or some other lobby group today and show up when there is a court case, rally, or other pro MMJ event.:peace::joint:
 

opium grower

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What the hell are you talking about? Opium grower, I think you belong in another forum and certainly on another thread.
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Re: hey there
Quote:Originally Posted by opium grower
Quote:Originally Posted by can.i.buz
FU asshole

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Fuck you! What's your point of you bitching anyway? Someone wants to sell you an ounce for $25.00. What's to bitch about and what's your point?

You are an idiot and don't even get the point. Stay out of my thread or I'll get you banned. Actually, keep being an asshole and my friends will take care of you.
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can.i.buz

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Re: hey there
Quote:Originally Posted by opium grower
Quote:Originally Posted by can.i.buz
FU asshole

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Fuck you! What's your point of you bitching anyway? Someone wants to sell you an ounce for $25.00. What's to bitch about and what's your point?

You are an idiot and don't even get the point. Stay out of my thread or I'll get you banned. Actually, keep being an asshole and my friends will take care of you.
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Heres the message you sent
do you really grow opium?
 

can.i.buz

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What do you think now tough guy?
If you read anything that I said, you would realize that I'm female. And you don't belong here. We are trying to have a thoughtful debate. YOU are an internet bully. You use this anonymous forum to feel important by throwing rude comments around. You don't have anything useful to say so GET OFF MY THREAD!!!!:evil:
 

opium grower

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If you read anything that I said, you would realize that I'm female. And you don't belong here. We are trying to have a thoughtful debate. YOU are an internet bully. You use this anonymous forum to feel important by throwing rude comments around. You don't have anything useful to say so GET OFF MY THREAD!!!!:evil:
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What did I say that was rude? I may have said stuff but you contacted me calling me names! I just asked whats so bad about paying 25.00 an O and you jumped my shit.
 
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