What Is Anarchy??

Musical Suicide

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"Freedom without Socialism is privilege. Socialism without Freedom is Tyranny"


Anarchism is the most misunderstood of political philosophies, perhaps because it threatens both the established order and those who would become our new masters after we have overthrown it. Anarchists are constantly having to deny the images of them presented by both Left and Right. Taken in by these lies or suffering from their own preconceptions, few bother to investigate the reality. With this in mind we have put together this summary of what we do believe. Anarchists seek to maximise freedom for all. We believe all people should be as free as possible to determine their own destinies and activities within the limits required by a respect for the equal rights of others. This freedom should actual and practical, unhindered by unnecessary legal prohibitions or material constraints.
Anarchists are opposed to authority and hierarchy. All persons must be considered as equals. No-one has the right to coerce or expect obedience from others except where necessary to protect the equal rights of others.
Anarchists are opposed to patriarchy. As a coercive set of social relations based on gender hierarchy, patriarchy oppresses and silences women in ways that we are as yet not even fully conscious. Patriarchal structures must be destroyed wherever they are recognised.
Anarchists are not opposed to organisation. Anarchy is about organisation. It is about co-operation amongst equals, free of oppressive power relations. Often a lack of organisation allows oppression to go unnoticed and merely offers the "liberty" of the strong to take advantage of the weaker. We must organise to prevent this. We are opposed, however, to types of organisation which are based on authority and hierarchy or which involve the unnecessary regimentation and subordination of individuals or which strangle individual creativity. We are implacably opposed to the centralisation of power.
Anarchists believe in the necessity of *direct democracy*. Where disagreements exist amongst persons which cannot be resolved co-operatively, the will of the majority must be respected. Consensus decisions are always the ideal but when a consensus cannot be reached then democratic procedures must be employed. Considering peoples as equals requires this. Representative and Parliamentary democracy are frauds which separate the government from the people, deny us control over our own lives and encourage apathy amongst the citizenry. Real democracy places power in the hands of the people by making all decisions at the lowest possible level by voting in workplace and community councils.
Anarchists seek the destruction of the State. The State, a government which holds itself to be separate from and above the people, is always an oppressor. It has its own interests: its natural form is a bureaucracy and the military, the police and the security forces are its weapons. "Control" of the state is an illusion which corrupts all revolutionaries. We will not be free while the State exists.
Anarchists seek an end to private property. Our needs chain us as much as our enemies. "Liberty" without the means to exercise it is a hollow fraud. We are not free to do that which we cannot do because others deny us the resources. The capitalists' monopoly of the means of production, their control of society's wealth, enslaves us to them as surely as would a gun held to our heads. The division of the political from the economic is a bourgeois myth. True social equality requires equal access to the means of production. For this reason all anarchists are socialists (though not all socialists are anarchists).
Anarchists believe in the need for a total Revolution. There is no aspect of the existing evils, Capitalism, Patriarchy and the State, that we can afford to leave intact if we seek to build a world free of oppression. Like cancers these structures will reappear and destroy freedom if they are not sought out where- ever they are manifest and destroyed utterly and simultaneously. Because our goals are radical, involving the total overthrow of the existing order, we cannot hope to accomplish them by reformist means within that order.
Anarchists deny the distinction between ends and means. Liberation and revolution are our activities not our ends. For this reason we will never be able to achieve freedom through authoritarian methods or destroy the State by seizing control of it.
Anarchists follow no leaders. No-one can lead us to take responsibility for our own lives. Only we can liberate ourselves. The only "leadership" we recognise is by example.
Anarchists believe in a brighter future. We envisage a future free of oppression, of people living in community and in control of their own lives. We see a society governing itself though workplace and community councils, making decisions at the lowest possible level and cooperating and organising together. We believe in a society where "economic" decisions about production and distribution which affect all of us are made democratically rather than left in the hands of a privileged and unelected few. Free of the destructive imperatives of capitalism, we will be able to live in harmony with the environment, use technology to our own advantage rather than our bosses and escape from the threat of war derived by the needs of Capital and State to extend their influence. We will build our own future.
Anarchists know that it can work. We gain strength from the examples of anarchist revolutionaries at the forefront of progressive movements throughout history. We learn from the Spanish Civil War where peasants and workers seized control of large areas of Spain and organised them according to anarchist principles. We learn from other existing anarchist organisations and from our own experiences as we attempt to put anarchist theory into practice in our own lives.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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"Freedom without Socialism is privilege. Socialism without Freedom is Tyranny"


Anarchism is the most misunderstood of political philosophies, perhaps because it threatens both the established order and those who would become our new masters after we have overthrown it. Anarchists are constantly having to deny the images of them presented by both Left and Right. Taken in by these lies or suffering from their own preconceptions, few bother to investigate the reality. With this in mind we have put together this summary of what we do believe. Anarchists seek to maximise freedom for all. We believe all people should be as free as possible to determine their own destinies and activities within the limits required by a respect for the equal rights of others. This freedom should actual and practical, unhindered by unnecessary legal prohibitions or material constraints.
Anarchists are opposed to authority and hierarchy. All persons must be considered as equals. No-one has the right to coerce or expect obedience from others except where necessary to protect the equal rights of others.
Anarchists are opposed to patriarchy. As a coercive set of social relations based on gender hierarchy, patriarchy oppresses and silences women in ways that we are as yet not even fully conscious. Patriarchal structures must be destroyed wherever they are recognised.
Anarchists are not opposed to organisation. Anarchy is about organisation. It is about co-operation amongst equals, free of oppressive power relations. Often a lack of organisation allows oppression to go unnoticed and merely offers the "liberty" of the strong to take advantage of the weaker. We must organise to prevent this. We are opposed, however, to types of organisation which are based on authority and hierarchy or which involve the unnecessary regimentation and subordination of individuals or which strangle individual creativity. We are implacably opposed to the centralisation of power.
Anarchists believe in the necessity of *direct democracy*. Where disagreements exist amongst persons which cannot be resolved co-operatively, the will of the majority must be respected. Consensus decisions are always the ideal but when a consensus cannot be reached then democratic procedures must be employed. Considering peoples as equals requires this. Representative and Parliamentary democracy are frauds which separate the government from the people, deny us control over our own lives and encourage apathy amongst the citizenry. Real democracy places power in the hands of the people by making all decisions at the lowest possible level by voting in workplace and community councils.
Anarchists seek the destruction of the State. The State, a government which holds itself to be separate from and above the people, is always an oppressor. It has its own interests: its natural form is a bureaucracy and the military, the police and the security forces are its weapons. "Control" of the state is an illusion which corrupts all revolutionaries. We will not be free while the State exists.
Anarchists seek an end to private property. Our needs chain us as much as our enemies. "Liberty" without the means to exercise it is a hollow fraud. We are not free to do that which we cannot do because others deny us the resources. The capitalists' monopoly of the means of production, their control of society's wealth, enslaves us to them as surely as would a gun held to our heads. The division of the political from the economic is a bourgeois myth. True social equality requires equal access to the means of production. For this reason all anarchists are socialists (though not all socialists are anarchists).
Anarchists believe in the need for a total Revolution. There is no aspect of the existing evils, Capitalism, Patriarchy and the State, that we can afford to leave intact if we seek to build a world free of oppression. Like cancers these structures will reappear and destroy freedom if they are not sought out where- ever they are manifest and destroyed utterly and simultaneously. Because our goals are radical, involving the total overthrow of the existing order, we cannot hope to accomplish them by reformist means within that order.
Anarchists deny the distinction between ends and means. Liberation and revolution are our activities not our ends. For this reason we will never be able to achieve freedom through authoritarian methods or destroy the State by seizing control of it.
Anarchists follow no leaders. No-one can lead us to take responsibility for our own lives. Only we can liberate ourselves. The only "leadership" we recognise is by example.
Anarchists believe in a brighter future. We envisage a future free of oppression, of people living in community and in control of their own lives. We see a society governing itself though workplace and community councils, making decisions at the lowest possible level and cooperating and organising together. We believe in a society where "economic" decisions about production and distribution which affect all of us are made democratically rather than left in the hands of a privileged and unelected few. Free of the destructive imperatives of capitalism, we will be able to live in harmony with the environment, use technology to our own advantage rather than our bosses and escape from the threat of war derived by the needs of Capital and State to extend their influence. We will build our own future.
Anarchists know that it can work. We gain strength from the examples of anarchist revolutionaries at the forefront of progressive movements throughout history. We learn from the Spanish Civil War where peasants and workers seized control of large areas of Spain and organised them according to anarchist principles. We learn from other existing anarchist organisations and from our own experiences as we attempt to put anarchist theory into practice in our own lives.

The only problem I see is that you are ignoring the fact that many people choose to work for a corporation voluntarily. If I wanted to I could go find another job, or take a leap and start my own business.

A completely voluntary society would still have corporations (or entities like them) commissioned or created to exploit natural resources or provide labor intensive services (road maintenance, law enforcement or contract enforcement.)

Freedom doesn't just mean freedom from something, it also means freedom to do something. So to argue that there would be no corporations ignores the fact that for the most part everyone that is working for a corporations does so voluntarily.

Of course I'm more of a minarchist myself, and admit that there is a need for a government to enforce laws to ensure that corporations are not killing the competition literally as opposed to figuratively.

The problem occurs when the government acts like a larger more corrupt corporation instead of an enforcer of laws, but such is the nature of government.

To quote Thomas Jefferson
"It is the natural progress of things for liberty to yield and the government to take ground."
 

medicineman

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"Freedom without Socialism is privilege. Socialism without Freedom is Tyranny"


Anarchism is the most misunderstood of political philosophies, perhaps because it threatens both the established order and those who would become our new masters after we have overthrown it. Anarchists are constantly having to deny the images of them presented by both Left and Right. Taken in by these lies or suffering from their own preconceptions, few bother to investigate the reality. With this in mind we have put together this summary of what we do believe. Anarchists seek to maximise freedom for all. We believe all people should be as free as possible to determine their own destinies and activities within the limits required by a respect for the equal rights of others. This freedom should actual and practical, unhindered by unnecessary legal prohibitions or material constraints.
Anarchists are opposed to authority and hierarchy. All persons must be considered as equals. No-one has the right to coerce or expect obedience from others except where necessary to protect the equal rights of others.
Anarchists are opposed to patriarchy. As a coercive set of social relations based on gender hierarchy, patriarchy oppresses and silences women in ways that we are as yet not even fully conscious. Patriarchal structures must be destroyed wherever they are recognised.
Anarchists are not opposed to organisation. Anarchy is about organisation. It is about co-operation amongst equals, free of oppressive power relations. Often a lack of organisation allows oppression to go unnoticed and merely offers the "liberty" of the strong to take advantage of the weaker. We must organise to prevent this. We are opposed, however, to types of organisation which are based on authority and hierarchy or which involve the unnecessary regimentation and subordination of individuals or which strangle individual creativity. We are implacably opposed to the centralisation of power.
Anarchists believe in the necessity of *direct democracy*. Where disagreements exist amongst persons which cannot be resolved co-operatively, the will of the majority must be respected. Consensus decisions are always the ideal but when a consensus cannot be reached then democratic procedures must be employed. Considering peoples as equals requires this. Representative and Parliamentary democracy are frauds which separate the government from the people, deny us control over our own lives and encourage apathy amongst the citizenry. Real democracy places power in the hands of the people by making all decisions at the lowest possible level by voting in workplace and community councils.
Anarchists seek the destruction of the State. The State, a government which holds itself to be separate from and above the people, is always an oppressor. It has its own interests: its natural form is a bureaucracy and the military, the police and the security forces are its weapons. "Control" of the state is an illusion which corrupts all revolutionaries. We will not be free while the State exists.
Anarchists seek an end to private property. Our needs chain us as much as our enemies. "Liberty" without the means to exercise it is a hollow fraud. We are not free to do that which we cannot do because others deny us the resources. The capitalists' monopoly of the means of production, their control of society's wealth, enslaves us to them as surely as would a gun held to our heads. The division of the political from the economic is a bourgeois myth. True social equality requires equal access to the means of production. For this reason all anarchists are socialists (though not all socialists are anarchists).
Anarchists believe in the need for a total Revolution. There is no aspect of the existing evils, Capitalism, Patriarchy and the State, that we can afford to leave intact if we seek to build a world free of oppression. Like cancers these structures will reappear and destroy freedom if they are not sought out where- ever they are manifest and destroyed utterly and simultaneously. Because our goals are radical, involving the total overthrow of the existing order, we cannot hope to accomplish them by reformist means within that order.
Anarchists deny the distinction between ends and means. Liberation and revolution are our activities not our ends. For this reason we will never be able to achieve freedom through authoritarian methods or destroy the State by seizing control of it.
Anarchists follow no leaders. No-one can lead us to take responsibility for our own lives. Only we can liberate ourselves. The only "leadership" we recognise is by example.
Anarchists believe in a brighter future. We envisage a future free of oppression, of people living in community and in control of their own lives. We see a society governing itself though workplace and community councils, making decisions at the lowest possible level and cooperating and organising together. We believe in a society where "economic" decisions about production and distribution which affect all of us are made democratically rather than left in the hands of a privileged and unelected few. Free of the destructive imperatives of capitalism, we will be able to live in harmony with the environment, use technology to our own advantage rather than our bosses and escape from the threat of war derived by the needs of Capital and State to extend their influence. We will build our own future.
Anarchists know that it can work. We gain strength from the examples of anarchist revolutionaries at the forefront of progressive movements throughout history. We learn from the Spanish Civil War where peasants and workers seized control of large areas of Spain and organised them according to anarchist principles. We learn from other existing anarchist organisations and from our own experiences as we attempt to put anarchist theory into practice in our own lives.

Anarchists are nothing but a mob. Eventually the loudest voice prevails and all the crap starts all over again. It has never worked, and it has always left a shitload of dead peasants in it's wake. PS had to dampen the red fonts, too hard on the eyes.
 

Musical Suicide

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Freedom doesn't just mean freedom from something, it also means freedom to do something. So to argue that there would be no corporations ignores the fact that for the most part everyone that is working for a corporations does so voluntarily.
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I don't think most people work for corporations voluntarily, They just dont want to get paid like shit, so they are naturally forced into working for oppressive companies.
 

Musical Suicide

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Anarchists are nothing but a mob.
haha your watching a little too much fox news there buddy. Last I checked "mobs" are a hierarchial organization with goals that are based from violence and power. Anarchist's want neither... just to be free from all oppression and power. Kinda like the dude on your defalt picture. haha
 

TheBrutalTruth

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a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
I disagree with their definition.

But only in so far as that I do not see a society of people that have respect for other people collapsing into lawlessness and disorder with the sudden disappearance of government.

Now, on the other hand if people like them were permitted to run around with out the chains that government puts on imbeciles like them anarchy would never work. Having to worry about whether or not some imbecile is about to steal my earnings strikes me as asinine.



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As far as your comments that most people don't work for the corporations voluntarily you are mistaken. At any time any one is perfectly welcome to go back to living in a primitive state. Of course, one would have to go to somewhere like Africa or South America to hunt for one's own food, to purify one's own water.

Or perhaps you are of the opinion that everyone should work for the most corrupt corporation of them all, the Federal Government?

Sooner shoot myself than sell myself out by working for my oppressors.

I don't work for a "corporation" no more so than I work "for" any one else. I work for myself, and my pleasure. It is merely a matter of convenience that my goal of having an enjoyable life is in line with the corporation's goal of paying me a salary that guarantees such in exchange for certain specialized services that I render it.

As far as people working at McDonalds, or other dead end jobs of minimal skill, well, of course it's voluntary. At any time they tire of their lives they can stop working, stop eating, stop shitting, and stop being sheltered from the elements by the fruit of the labor of other people.

Perfectly voluntary.

Me, personally, I'll work for a corporation before I go with out modern conveniences. There's bacteria and fungi out there that eat human flesh, and make you go crazy, or worse. Who knows if Syphilis wasn't replaced by some other virus that was similar to it, but less aggressive, for all I know there could be the older version of Syphilis lurking in a wild somewhere. No thank you. Having Blisters and Sore all over my body does not strike me as fun. How about the Bubonic Plague, or Anthrax?
Take your pick, plenty of things out there that are not fun at all, and that's not even touching on the higher life forms to which humanity would be just so much meat.

Perhaps what you meant was that it is not voluntary in that as long as one wishes to enjoy the luxuries of life with out sucking on the tit of government one must work. In which case I fail to see the logic in your argument. Involuntary Servitude is slavery, and if you are going to argue from the perspective of the proletariat arguing that people should not have to work for their daily bread is a distinctively bourgeouse view point. Who else but kings, nobles, and slave-drivers benefited from the labor of others with out contributing something?

I mean, besides perhaps buying the land that their slaves, err subjects, were required to work.

Of course, I am at the stage where having seen that working for $8/hr sucks much cock, I learned a skill and found an employer who wants to pay me to use that skill in their employ. Thus my work is voluntary, just as it was before I learned the skill that I acquired.

I don't work to live, I work because if I didn't work for at least 8 hours for some one else I would have nothing to trade for the food I need, or the shelter I desire, or the potable water I want to drink in one form or another.

Of course the bottom line is that you are assuming that people use work to define their lives like you apparently do, when they do not.

I don't work for a living, nor do I really work to live. I'd be perfectly happy to take my chances out in the wild (not that I desire it when I find being a software engineer so much easier physically and more entertaining mentally.)

I work, because I want to, because I understand that it is either a matter of having to farm, hunt, or finding an employment that allows me to trade my time and efforts for the time and efforts of another person that does those two things through that wonderful medium of exchange known as money.

No offense, but you really do have to take a look at the bigger picture, you are so busy staring at a branch that you can not see the forest.

I'd accuse you of being a luddite, but you're not worthy of that honor. The luddites at least were unafraid of putting their anti-technological babble in those precise terms.

You, you however, fail to express yourself adequately in such a way that would make it sufficiently clear that you desire to reduce man to a primitive state where we would be forced to compete directly with one another for our bread. Of course, you don't see it that way, apparently having some how internalized the mythical Garden of Eden with being something more than an impossible pipe dream, or a myth told to scare children into behaving.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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I don't think most people work for corporations voluntarily, They just dont want to get paid like shit, so they are naturally forced into working for oppressive companies.
If you wish higher pay, then learn a more specialized skill, or put specialized knowledge to work. Or at least take a chance doing something for yourself, instead of stating that you want to draw more milk from the teat that you are sucking than it can actually provide.

If people are not sufficiently willful, proud, and selfish to state that I am going to do something, then that is there bloody problem. Unfortunately it is a damn cruel world, and while humanity does allow for some laziness, it can't abolish work all together.

I'm much sorry, sir, but you'll just have to continue wiping your own ass if you want to get the shit off it, because ain't no one gonna do it for you.
 

budsmoker87

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Anarchy is a peacefully cute idea in my mind, but I don't think it could work, and the explanation is real simple...

I believe in the dominant social paradigm or social darwinism. Human beings are just like the rest of nature- naturally competitive creatures.

Of course we'll always seek dominance. Some people say "abolish currency" as if that would be the end-all of our problems...when places where currency (or perhaps not even money) exists and people barter, they're still plagued by the dominant social paradigm. In many 3rd world countries of Africa, for instance, wealth is measured in terms of ownership of practical things like amount of cattle, or size of land, etc. Whats the driving force then? Our strong desire to reproduce

So long as men crave the most desirable women (measured by beauty) and women crave the most desirable men (measured by stability, comfort, security, POWER, and maybe beauty too) ....then anarchy will never be successful.

On that same note, under a democracy "all men are created equal"...but men will compete with each other in different ways to "peacock" and display higher value, so we dont really practice what we preach cuz it's not our nature....so a democracy couldn't reallyyy work either.

We see examples of this allll the time, let's not kid ourselves....ever see a buncha college dudes working out in a gym? it's like a fucking dick-size contest- lifting weights they're not CAPABLE of lifting and hurting themselves. Women, on the other hand, are attracted to power in every sense of the word. Why do politicians and rock stars get laid so much? Good looks, being well-kept, good health, displaying charisma (ur ability to sway and lead others), or money/currency itself are all closely related to POWER.

so under the natural human condition, which will never change, these 2 forms of government would never work. the REAL problem is, the politicians in this country (america) are obsesssssed with power cuz it brings gratification and happiness. let's not kid ourselves of that either.

that's my 2 cents
 

Musical Suicide

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I disagree with their definition.




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As far as your comments that most people don't work for the corporations voluntarily you are mistaken. At any time any one is perfectly welcome to go back to living in a primitive state.

As far as people working at McDonalds, or other dead end jobs of minimal skill, well, of course it's voluntary. At any time they tire of their lives they can stop working, stop eating, stop shitting, and stop being sheltered from the elements by the fruit of the labor of other people.

Perfectly voluntary.
haha your kidding right? You are sadly wrong. At anytime people can stop shitting? haha stop eating? stop working? and just die right? See, its rude, emotionless people like you that think your so much better cause you work a better paying job, and take orders with a smile, cause "you do it for yourself". If people were half as interested in change, and not that new car next year hopefully, or maybe just maybe put in some extra overtime so you might have some extra c notes to go on vaction to some moneytrap somewhwhere. Working at mcdonalds is just as hard as your corperation job. More degrading, Faster paced, way less money, and stright up more difficult than running numbers somewhere. If you dont belive me, well you obviously havent worked a hard job before. Now, dont get me wrong, I think Teaching is the hardest job, followed by hard labor, follwed by everyotherf job, then lastly is your pathetic buisness job/life on the phone, in conference rooms, sitting at your desk, closing deals at the golf course, ect. Buisness suties, well their the ones basquing in the shadows of others real labor. Buisness is not labor, its greed. And some of us didnt get mommy and daddys money to go to college with, and had to actually working through high school to buy our first shitty cars. Some of us dont fit in your buisness world, your short hair, suites, latte's, emotionless realtionships with your wifes thats cant stand you, your kids that hate you and parents that cant belive they raised such hearless prick for a son. ( not meaning you) haha kiss-ass
 

Musical Suicide

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Of course the bottom line is that you are assuming that people use work to define their lives like you apparently do, when they do not.
Like I do? Look dude, you can be an ass all you want, but dont put words in my mouth. My work doesnt define me, my hobbies do. And At my work, I'm not oppressing people, nor allowing my employer to do so. Anarchist do noty wish more money, but yet for the escape from all money, just to have our own collectivly free land.


No offense, but you really do have to take a look at the bigger picture, you are so busy staring at a branch that you can not see the forest.
Your kinda an idiot eh? haha anarchism is a branch? That I'm trying to start? haha There is anarchist resistant in every major country. 100,000 Anarchist shut down the wto in seattle for nearly a week. A branch? Now, you can dislike the fact that people want to be free, and have the right to everything you have, but this "branch" as you so intelligently put has taking low blows and critsism from right wing middle class sucka's like you for quite some time. We just keep learning, keep getting involved with the communities, helping the masses deal with capitalism and all bigots alike. Were the ones learning true survival, and true unity, while you scrammble for the dallar day in, day out. Have fun... hehe
 

medicineman

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haha your watching a little too much fox news there buddy. Last I checked "mobs" are a hierarchial organization with goals that are based from violence and power. Anarchist's want neither... just to be free from all oppression and power. Kinda like the dude on your defalt picture. haha
I don't watch fox news, Buddy. Anarchists are just a noisy mob, give us freedom, etc. etc. Next thing you know, the biggest baddest bully in the "Mob" starts his power move and the crap starts all over again. Study history, anarchy never works. Some bully asshole takes over and starts the same old shit. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"- the WHO.
 

Musical Suicide

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Anarchy is a peacefully cute idea in my mind, but I don't think it could work, and the explanation is real simple...

I believe in the dominant social paradigm or social darwinism. Human beings are just like the rest of nature- naturally competitive creatures.

Of course we'll always seek dominance.

So long as men crave the most desirable women (measured by beauty) and women crave the most desirable men (measured by stability, comfort, security, POWER, and maybe beauty too) ....then anarchy will never be successful.

Well bud smoker... it is a cute idea. Unfortantly we are trying to escape this image, just like we are trying to abolish human dominance factors. This is true, we are like animals alot in nature, but we are humans, and our mind is alot intelligent than animals. Thus we can change how we are. Just like we learned the stove is hot, dont touch it, we learn that dominace never helps, just inflicts pain.

I disagree with you saying all men disire the most beautiful women. Not True. Thats like saying everyone likes vanilla ice cream. Some people like chocolate, some chunky monkey, and some, (me) are lactose intollerant. Thus, some people find beautiful women ugly, for they are on the inside, or just women not desirable cause they gave birth to dicks like "The brutal Truth" haha j/k I'd give your mom a good working brutal. anyways, Some of us like to help, Like volunteering for food not bombs everyweek, books to prisoners, a.r.a. chapters, protests, ect. others just sit and watch it all on t.v. No two humans are the exact same, thats what makes us beautiful, and thats why it makes some of us anarchists. We have an indivdualst foundations, with hopes that rest in ourselves. Where as most are just shadows behind other shadows with hopes in the system and their masters.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Like I do? Look dude, you can be an ass all you want, but dont put words in my mouth. My work doesnt define me, my hobbies do. And At my work, I'm not oppressing people, nor allowing my employer to do so. Anarchist do noty wish more money, but yet for the escape from all money, just to have our own collectivly free land.


Your kinda an idiot eh? haha anarchism is a branch? That I'm trying to start? haha There is anarchist resistant in every major country. 100,000 Anarchist shut down the wto in seattle for nearly a week. A branch? Now, you can dislike the fact that people want to be free, and have the right to everything you have, but this "branch" as you so intelligently put has taking low blows and critsism from right wing middle class sucka's like you for quite some time. We just keep learning, keep getting involved with the communities, helping the masses deal with capitalism and all bigots alike. Were the ones learning true survival, and true unity, while you scrammble for the dallar day in, day out. Have fun... hehe
Strange, I've never been accused of being an idiot by an illiterate imbecile. Here, let me show you the exact phrase that you quoted so I can expose your imbecility and your lack of literacy.

you are so busy staring at a branch that you can not see the forest.
YOU - meaning you, you stupid fuck

are so busy

STARING - S-T-A-R-I-N-G not S-T-A-R-T-I-N-G (this is like a 2nd grade word you idiot)

at a branch that you can not see the forest.

Even if you are dyslexic the word STARTING does not make any sense in that context,

"you are so busy starting at a branch that you can not see the forest?"

That does not make any sense, and you accuse me of being an idiot, you who obviously has no ability to construct logical thoughts, or actually comprehend what you are reading.

What are you, 8?


As far as your claims that there was 100,000 "anarchists" at the WTO in Seattle.

You are inflating your numbers, not all of the people present at the WTO Summit in Seattle were Anarchists.

Some of them were probably people that either

1. Had lost jobs due to mismanagement of trade by the WTO.
2. Oppose the WTO because they were once getting federal subsidies and no longer are because of WTO action.
3. Are afraid the WTO is going to eliminate their jobs.
4. Place National Sovereignty above Globalist Bullshit

and I supposed a distant, 5th would be that they are anarchists, which might have explained a whopping 2% of the people there, if not less.

As far as me scrambling to earn a dollar day in and day out.

If all goes to hell, he who has the gold, silver, food and the guns with which to protect it will make the rules, no?

Dollars are changable into useful commodities.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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haha your kidding right? You are sadly wrong. At anytime people can stop shitting? haha stop eating? stop working? and just die right? See, its rude, emotionless people like you that think your so much better cause you work a better paying job, and take orders with a smile, cause "you do it for yourself". If people were half as interested in change, and not that new car next year hopefully, or maybe just maybe put in some extra overtime so you might have some extra c notes to go on vaction to some moneytrap somewhwhere. Working at mcdonalds is just as hard as your corperation job. More degrading, Faster paced, way less money, and stright up more difficult than running numbers somewhere. If you dont belive me, well you obviously havent worked a hard job before. Now, dont get me wrong, I think Teaching is the hardest job, followed by hard labor, follwed by everyotherf job, then lastly is your pathetic buisness job/life on the phone, in conference rooms, sitting at your desk, closing deals at the golf course, ect. Buisness suties, well their the ones basquing in the shadows of others real labor. Buisness is not labor, its greed. And some of us didnt get mommy and daddys money to go to college with, and had to actually working through high school to buy our first shitty cars. Some of us dont fit in your buisness world, your short hair, suites, latte's, emotionless realtionships with your wifes thats cant stand you, your kids that hate you and parents that cant belive they raised such hearless prick for a son. ( not meaning you) haha kiss-ass

See how long Seattle Lasts with out those that facilitate the transportation of wheat from the Midwest to Seattle.

It wouldn't, too many imbeciles like you, in too small of an area.

As far as your claims that I haven't worked hard, ha, don't make me laugh.

I've been on the crew at a QSR (Quick Serve Restaurant) and it wasn't challenging mentally, or stimulating emotionally. Being a mindless cog making sure that the more important cogs are fed at their convenience is hardly a great job. Important, yes, definitely, but not very challenging or very statisfying.

Perhaps it is a function of intelligence that I get horribly bored with mindless repetitive tasks that should be done by robots instead of having human beings do them.

Working in a QSR is degrading, but from what it sounds like if you had it your way, everyone would be forced to work in a QSR.



Of course, as you mention fast foods as hard work, I'm going to assume that you are some city-born asshole that has his head up his ass and doesn't actually know what hard work is.

Hardwork is digging 40 4 foot post holes for a chain link and barbwire fence in a day.

Hard work is moving Vending Equipment (Pop and Snack Machines, since you obviously have limited experience in the real world, and probably don't actually know the term Vending Equipment. Though to be fair to you, most people don't, because they have never worked in the industry.)

Fast food, Hard Work, don't make me laugh...
 

Wordz

Well-Known Member
so mister anarchist hows it gonna work when I need to go to a hospital? Will my car have gas? will the roads be usable? Will the doctor have completed med school? will the hospital have power?
 

medicineman

New Member
Fast food, Hard Work, don't make me laugh...
A friend of mine that is a journeyman tile setter told me the hardest job he ever had was working the food line in Taco-Bell. I wouldn't know. Never worked Fast food.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Fast food, Hard Work, don't make me laugh...
A friend of mine that is a journeyman tile setter told me the hardest job he ever had was working the food line in Taco-Bell. I wouldn't know. Never worked Fast food.
I've worked fast food, it's not that hard.

The hardest job I've ever had was working at the Sprint Call Center. Being forced to try to sell products that you don't believe in, and don't actually believe any one needs is difficult.

Food, food is easy.

Though rushes were stressful, and fun at the same time.

I don't think there's anything like the sense of relief you get after managing to get a moment to relax after a rush at a fastfood joint.
 
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