the end is near for the USA

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may

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OK i normally stay out of these debates but, come on man its a little more complicated than one guy just pulling the trigger. Osama has been affiliated with The CIA and or the federal gov't for decades. He is only a small part of a lager agenda and to assume he is souly at fault for 9/11 is a little off.
Your not just a little off, YOUR way OFF! Only a left wing propagandist or a moron would say or belive that OBL was ever affiliated with the CIA. You were right to stay out these debates intill you find the time to learn something about them.

You are wrong all on your own no one needed to help get you there.

im not necessarily defending Clinton here, i am just pointing out the fact that neither administration has done much to rid the world of bin laden.
In bush's case he was there boggyman to use in order to facilitate their neo-con agenda of preemptive strategic military engagements. And with clinton The was a lot if conflicting interests and mismanagement. just my 2 cents...:leaf:
Well at least you don't overvalue your opinion and I can agree with you on that point.

The problem is you just don't know any of the facts, or at least you haven't shown that you know any in this post.
 

DrGreenFinger

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liked it mattered. lol :bigjoint:
not at all, bro'. i just want to hear something substantive out of the obama bashers/haters (some say they actually "hate" him) who had voted for bush. this intelligent man gets not-a-chance while thugged out bush got 2 terms. :wall:

:bigjoint::peace:
 

Bucket head

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Your not just a little off, YOUR way OFF! Only a left wing propagandist or a moron would say or belive that OBL was ever affiliated with the CIA. You were right to stay out these debates intill you find the time to learn something about them.



You are wrong all on your own no one needed to help get you there.



Well at least you don't overvalue your opinion and I can agree with you on that point.

The problem is you just don't know any of the facts, or at least you haven't shown that you know any in this post.
Really... No facts???? How about this Fact: From 79-89 The Russians occupied Afghanistan. During this tIme "OBL" was a leader of resistance forces. At the time "OBL" was funded and armed by the US government and cia. YOU can read about all this shit you can even go and find videos of afgan rebels using stinger anti air rockets. The point here i am making here is that you obiusly have your blinders on. You are the type of person that thinks we are at war with the middle east because they hate our freedom. Wake up man, not everything that Fox news tells you is correct . Thats not to say that all these bullshit conspiousy claims atre any more true, but what it does mean is that this situation is more complex than one guy. And Sir i do not to much to the left or right, just what is actually true.
 

DrGreenFinger

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Really... No facts???? How about this Fact: From 79-89 The Russians occupied Afghanistan. During this tIme "OBL" was a leader of resistance forces. At the time "OBL" was funded and armed by the US government and cia. YOU can read about all this shit you can even go and find videos of afgan rebels using stinger anti air rockets. The point here i am making here is that you obiusly have your blinders on. You are the type of person that thinks we are at war with the middle east because they hate our freedom. Wake up man, not everything that Fox news tells you is correct . Thats not to say that all these bullshit conspiousy claims atre any more true, but what it does mean is that this situation is more complex than one guy. And Sir i do not to much to the left or right, just what is actually true.

very well said...and handled. i thought this was common knowledge.
 

may

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Perhaps you are unaware that on three separate occasions the CIA knew the exact location of Osama and each time asked for permission to take him out and three times Clinton said NO.
BULLSHIT ALL OF IT. Clinton signed an order to kill OBS and the CIA said that it wasn't legal for them to kill him.
Had he actually been serious and said yes on any of those occasions... perhaps history would have been changed for the better. Perhaps our twin towers would still be standing and 3000+ people need not have died in vain.
BULLSHIT There is no truth in anything you say above Cracker.

Clinton simply wanted to be popular and his foreign policy showed it. He caved on every tough call. That is why a president is elected.....to make the tough calls.
Clinton on one of the occasions that the CIA knew the exact location of OBL [as you put it] was in 98 when his phone was being used as a homing device for missiles Clinton launched to kill OBL.

out. :blsmoke:[/quote]


It would be best for you to leave clinton out of your debate or at least stick to the truth.
 

DrGreenFinger

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BULLSHIT ALL OF IT. Clinton signed an order to kill OBS and the CIA said that it wasn't legal for them to kill him.


BULLSHIT There is no truth in anything you say above Cracker.



Clinton on one of the occasions that the CIA knew the exact location of OBL [as you put it] was in 98 when his phone was being used as a homing device for missiles Clinton launched to kill OBL.

out. :blsmoke:

It would be best for you to leave clinton out of your debate or at least stick to the truth.[/quote]


don't let it get you steamed, family. just kick back and smoke some good. :peace:
 

may

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Yes it's completely Clinton's Fault.

He was offered Osama Bin Laden at least once that I've heard about, after the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing.

And he failed to take it.
First he wasn't really offered OBL [though Sudan may have wanted to make a deal for him] I myself have read this there simply are not any facts to back this up, and at the time what legal reason would the US had to take him?

If he'd used his brain instead of his dick a little more often, he would have easily seen that it was logical (and warranted) to accept the offer to have Osama Bin Laden handed over to the US.

Would this have prevented 9/11. Possibly, and it possibly might not have, but by failing to take the offer to have Bin Laden handed over, Clinton effectively guaranteed that it was going to happen.
I call this total BULLSHIT because thats what it is.

You and cracker are not the normal morons posting here, both of you have brains enough to find and understand the truth and while it may be fun for you both to poke at the leftwing, theres more than enough crap to rub in their face wthout making stuff up.
So when it comes to Clinton stick to the facts.
 

misshestermoffitt

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I remember when this was going on. The US funded them and trained them and help them get Russia off their backs. Then they got bored and went after the US. :hump:

Hell you guys, even Rambo 3 was about Americans helping the Afghani's fight the Russians. Ask Stallone, he'll tell you. :twisted:



Really... No facts???? How about this Fact: From 79-89 The Russians occupied Afghanistan. During this tIme "OBL" was a leader of resistance forces. At the time "OBL" was funded and armed by the US government and cia. YOU can read about all this shit you can even go and find videos of afgan rebels using stinger anti air rockets. The point here i am making here is that you obiusly have your blinders on. You are the type of person that thinks we are at war with the middle east because they hate our freedom. Wake up man, not everything that Fox news tells you is correct . Thats not to say that all these bullshit conspiousy claims atre any more true, but what it does mean is that this situation is more complex than one guy. And Sir i do not to much to the left or right, just what is actually true.
 

DrGreenFinger

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I remember when this was going on. The US funded them and trained them and help them get Russia off their backs. Then they got bored and went after the US. :hump:

Hell you guys, even Rambo 3 was about Americans helping the Afghani's fight the Russians. Ask Stallone, he'll tell you. :twisted:
may is about to snap:shock:
 

may

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Three times it was offered and Osama's location was known. CIA asked permission each time to take him out. Each time it was denied. Pretty simple really. Would this have prevented future history? I cannot say obviously with 100% accuracy, but by chopping the snakes head off, it's hard to fathom that we would have been bitten later.

CIA field agent Gary Bernsten told ABC News that the “CIA provided an American president, Bill Clinton, multiple opportunities to capture or kill bin Laden,” Bernsten said. “We provided those opportunities, tactical opportunities which were not taken.” Bernsten said that CIA Director George Tenet gave the word to stop three opportunities to kill bin Laden. (ABC News The Blotter, September 10, 2006)

Want some more? :lol:

According to former Democratic fund raiser Mansoor Ijaz:
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. “Sandy” Berger and Sudan’s president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt’s Islamic Jihad, Iran’s Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas. Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center. The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening. As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster. (LA Times December 5 2001)
Never heard about this from the media?Perhaps you don't want to hear about it.


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Ever hear of Shuer
Theres not a lot that I haven't heard about but if we debate maybe your smart enough to find something that will be of use to me, but I wouldn't put money on it.

The truth is that I think that you and TBT are both smart and know a lot more than is normal for this place and truely are a great value here, but It would be smart to stick to Obama.
 

CrackerJax

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Theres not a lot that I haven't heard about but if we debate maybe your smart enough to find something that will be of use to me, but I wouldn't put money on it.

The truth is that I think that you and TBT are both smart and know a lot more than is normal for this place and truely are a great value here, but It would be smart to stick to Obama.
he is my president and I am with him... I'm just not sure he is with me... or you. His inexperience is palpable.... I have HOPE that he can CHANGE. :peace:

out. :blsmoke:
 

may

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Really... No facts???? How about this Fact: From 79-89 The Russians occupied Afghanistan. During this tIme "OBL" was a leader of resistance forces. At the time "
I would debate his being a leader if for no other reason other than its misleading and few understand the part that he played and you being one of the many that don't.

OBL" was funded and armed by the US government and cia. YOU can read about all this shit you can even go and find videos of afgan rebels using stinger anti air rockets. The point here i am making here is that you obiusly have your blinders on.
What do the afgans [ Mujahideen] have to do with OBL?
If you thank that the CIA armed or funded OBL than you should show proof of this. This will be hard to do because theres not any, because it didn't happen.

You are the type of person that thinks we are at war with the middle east because they hate our freedom. Wake up man, not everything that Fox news tells you is correct . Thats not to say that all these bullshit conspiousy claims atre any more true, but what it does mean is that this situation is more complex than one guy. And Sir i do not to much to the left or right, just what is actually true.
Me I'm the type the knows the truth and am not blind to anything and as far as Afganistan, Pakistan, CIA, Mujhideen, OBL and his arabs go you would be hard put to find a fact of any note at all that I don't already know.
Thinking that you know the type of person is as dumb as you thinking that you know about OBL because you know as little about one as the other.
 

may

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he is my president and I am with him... I'm just not sure he is with me... or you. His inexperience is palpable.... I have HOPE that he can CHANGE. :peace:

out. :blsmoke:
I am sorry to say that I have no such hope and I can't even find anything that could I spin into something that could give me such hope.
 

DrGreenFinger

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he is my president and I am with him... I'm just not sure he is with me... or you. His inexperience is palpable.... I have HOPE that he can CHANGE. :peace:

out. :blsmoke:
do you have some faith in his judgement? how would you rate his appointments?

i asked because it is my belief that the presidency is about much more than the experience you bring with you. no one questioned w's experience, that i heard...
 

misshestermoffitt

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The bailout business is leaving the taste of vomit in everyone's mouth, but in all fairness that crap all started before Obama took office.

Some of his policies are threatening to the pro-lifers and bible thumpers. (Some of those are policies that Bush reversed and Obama un reversed)

Some people are just mad because they'd hoped to look at Palin's titties for the next 4 years.

It's a smorgasbord of reasons I'm sure.
 
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