Should the US shed blood for Ukraine

Should the USA along with NATO defend Ukraine with troops.

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 40.4%
  • No

    Votes: 59 59.6%

  • Total voters
    99

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Perish the thought of the Russia/Ukraine crisis w/Trump in office,wondering why Putin didn't do this 2yrs ago(big blunder for his agenda)
I think this is an outcome from Trump losing the election. Putin would not have had to be so dramatic with his troop build up if Trump had been in charge. He's testing to see how much damage his money launderer did to NATO.
 

BudmanTX

Well-Known Member
k here is something that isn't brought up.....bout this whole thing in the Ukraine....and it's the Minsk Agreement....guess who the signatures are...

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well well well...guess who.. doesn't that look like Germany, France, Belarus, and Russia.....the other guy is swiss......and who is doing the negotiation France (hello), Germany is not getting into it(hello) Belarus (uh troops) and Russia......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Protocol
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
k here is something that isn't brought up.....bout this whole thing in the Ukraine....and it's the Minsk Agreement....guess who the signatures are...

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well well well...guess who.. doesn't that look like Germany, France, Belarus, and Russia.....the other guy is swiss......and who is doing the negotiation France (hello), Germany is not getting into it(hello) Belarus (uh troops) and Russia......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Protocol

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-now

russia signed an agreement, then ignores it once it has what it wants, and cries that they're not to blame while they continue to flout the agreement they signed....seems like stories i've heard before...
 

BudmanTX

Well-Known Member
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-now

russia signed an agreement, then ignores it once it has what it wants, and cries that they're not to blame while they continue to flout the agreement they signed....seems like stories i've heard before...
you too.....Putin got Donbas....which if people don't know it's one of the largest coal deposits in the country.....and the most dangerous....USSR/Russia have been dumping chemical waste there, and there is a report that USSR anctually detonated a nuke underground there too...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
hey @Roger A. Shrubber

this is from wiki....


ck out the enviromental section...that will surprise u.....

like i've been saying Putin has gotten what he wants, coal and nutral gas with Crimea.....
:shock: ...nuclear mining...what the fuck, russia?...and not telling the miners for at least 7 years?...i wonder how many faithful russian citizens just trying to make a living were murdered by their own government, for expediency and profit...and just callousness and lack of empathy
this is why we have OSHA...that the fucking republican want to do away with...wonder why a government party would want to do away with an agency whose sole purpose is workplace safety? oh yeah, this ^^^^^
 

BudmanTX

Well-Known Member
:shock: ...nuclear mining...what the fuck, russia?...and not telling the miners for at least 7 years?...i wonder how many faithful russian citizens just trying to make a living were murdered by their own government, for expediency and profit...and just callousness and lack of empathy
this is why we have OSHA...that the fucking republican want to do away with...wonder why a government party would want to do away with an agency whose sole purpose is workplace safety? oh yeah, this ^^^^^
yep russia/ussr weren't the sharpest tool in the shed........heck they even tried to cap and oil well with a nuke and also make a lake using one, now the oil well is a no mans land and the lake is un-useable....ck out atomic lake and Urta-Bulak



and you wonder why those countries are in turmoil too
 

CCGNZ

Well-Known Member
I think this is an outcome from Trump losing the election. Putin would not have had to be so dramatic with his troop build up if Trump had been in charge. He's testing to see how much damage his money launderer did to NATO.
I'm also concerned w/the damage he did to the WhiteHouse's septic system flushing all those non biodegradable documents down the shitter,heavy duty plunger and case of Drano required, and holding cases of classified documents at MAR-A-Lago makes Hillary's private email server mere childsplay. WILL HE EVER BE CRIMINALY CHARGED? So many offences, spin a wheel at a FKN carnival.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
I'm also concerned w/the damage he did to the WhiteHouse's septic system flushing all those non biodegradable documents down the shitter,heavy duty plunger and case of Drano required, and holding cases of classified documents at MAR-A-Lago makes Hillary's private email server mere childsplay. WILL HE EVER BE CRIMINALY CHARGED? So many offences, spin a wheel at a FKN carnival.
The funny thing about that. His many violations of the Presidential Records Act is most likely to be the crime that will take him out as a potential presidential candidate.

That said, his childish plugging up of the toilet caused minor damage compared to what Putin's money launderer did to our democracy.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
The funny thing about that. His many violations of the Presidential Records Act is most likely to be the crime that will take him out as a potential presidential candidate.

That said, his childish plugging up of the toilet caused minor damage compared to what Putin's money launderer did to our democracy.
interesting; all his weird crazy coming to the surface. you know this is NOT the first or second time he's done this.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
OK, I can't compete w/your personal experience,maybe when he croaks if he doesn't manage to irradiate the world by then,Russia can be "worked with",I'm looking for some kind of solution here and it's difficult to deal w/someone sitting on all those nukes,I'm just concerned about a China/Russia alliance and would like Russia to tilt West,I know it's a corrupt country(obviously not on your personal level), it's hard to root out entrenched behavior. When Russia was under Yeltzin and free markets were tried ordinary Russians mostly got FKD, hard to believe that old Russian ladies in black shauls actually yearned for the days that they waited in a 1/2 mile long line for a 6 ounce meat ration ,leaving a vacuum for Vlad to step in and provide nostalgic comfort.
CC,

I wasn't competing, I was adding to the discussion. We, in the US want to believe everybody else are like us. At some human level that's true. But, governments are very different animals and some are not even from a related species. Not from what I've managed to glean from it all.

Your moral code is strong but some places in this world, they aren't ready for it.
 
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schuylaar

Well-Known Member
I'm also concerned w/the damage he did to the WhiteHouse's septic system flushing all those non biodegradable documents down the shitter,heavy duty plunger and case of Drano required, and holding cases of classified documents at MAR-A-Lago makes Hillary's private email server mere childsplay. WILL HE EVER BE CRIMINALY CHARGED? So many offences, spin a wheel at a FKN carnival.
who voted for him?
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
god damn it, this guy is a fuckface douchebag.....
now his petty bullshit has the real possibility of costing the lives of U.S. service people....
i can't wait till the last republicunt is kicked to the curb and left lying in the shit they crawled out of
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/10/josh-hawley-pentagon-ukraine-russia-00007863
he's due for a throttling..perhaps he's just had some gazpacho and it's clouded his judgement (because of its taste).
 
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Rottedroots

Well-Known Member
Ideally Russia will invade Ukraine and spend the next 20 years trying to suppress the people. They will never win decisively but it would sure be a drain on their already suffering lower classes and the economy. They just don't have the funds to throw a way like we did in Afghanistan.
 
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