Injustice in Palestine

[hanimmal]

My Ap news link is screwing up, and not 100% that "Yahoo Finance" is just pulling the story right from them or not but it looks like they did. Anyways, earlier someone posted about the water pipes being used to make rockets and thought this might be interesting.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-world-news-hamas-united-arab-emirates-dubai-4c50a826b5f4772f44a7c758aa229ae2

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — In this fourth war between Israel and Gaza’s Hamas rulers, the Islamic militant group has fired more than 4,000 rockets at Israel, some hitting deeper in Israeli territory and with greater accuracy than ever before.

The unprecedented barrages reaching as far north as the seaside metropolis of Tel Aviv, coupled with drone launches and even an attempted submarine attack, have put on dramatic display a homegrown arsenal that has only expanded despite the choke hold of a 14-year Israeli-Egyptian blockade of the coastal strip.

“The magnitude of (Hamas) bombing is much bigger and the precision is much better in this conflict,” said Mkhaimar Abusada, a professor of political science at Al-Azhar University in Gaza City. “It’s shocking what they’ve been able to do under siege.”

Israel has argued that the blockade — which has caused severe hardship for more than 2 million Palestinians in Gaza — is essential for preventing a Hamas arms build-up and cannot be lifted.

Here’s a look at how, despite intense surveillance and tight restrictions, Hamas managed to amass its cache.

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FROM CRUDE BOMBS TO LONG-RANGE ROCKETS

Since the founding of Hamas in 1987, the group's secretive military wing — which operates alongside a more visible political organization — evolved from a small militia into what Israel describes as a “semi-organized military."

In its early days, the group carried out deadly shootings and kidnappings of Israelis. It killed hundreds of Israelis in suicide bombings during the second Palestinian intifada, or uprising, which erupted in late 2000.

As violence spread, the group started producing rudimentary “Qassam” rockets. Powered partly by molten sugar, the projectiles reached just a few kilometers (miles), flew wildly and caused little damage, often landing inside Gaza.

After Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, Hamas assembled a secret supply line from longtime patrons Iran and Syria, according to Israel's military. Longer-range rockets, powerful explosives, metal and machinery flooded Gaza’s southern border with Egypt. Experts say the rockets were shipped to Sudan, trucked across Egypt’s vast desert and smuggled through a warren of narrow tunnels beneath the Sinai Peninsula.

In 2007, when Hamas fighters pushed the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza and took over governing the coastal strip, Israel and Egypt imposed their tight blockade.

According to the Israeli military, the smuggling continued, gaining steam after Mohammed Morsi, an Islamist leader and Hamas ally, was elected president of Egypt in 2012 before being overthrown by the Egyptian army.

Gaza militants stocked up on foreign-made rockets with enhanced ranges, like Katyushas and the Iranian-supplied Fajr-5, which were used during the 2008 and 2012 wars with Israel.

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A HOMEGROWN INDUSTRY

After Morsi's overthrow, Egypt cracked down on and shut hundreds of smuggling tunnels. In response, Gaza’s local weapons industry picked up.

“The Iranian narrative is that they kick-started all the missile production in Gaza and gave them the technical and knowledge base, but now the Palestinians are self-sufficient, said Fabian Hinz, an independent security analyst focusing on missiles in the Middle East. “Today, most of the rockets we’re seeing are domestically built, often with creative techniques.”

In a September documentary aired by the Al-Jazeera satellite news network, rare footage showed Hamas militants reassembling Iranian rockets with ranges of up to 80 kilometers (50 miles) and warheads packed with 175 kilograms (385 pounds) of explosives. Hamas militants opened unexploded Israeli missiles from previous strikes to extract explosive materials. They even salvaged old water pipes to repurpose as missile bodies.

To produce rockets, Hamas chemists and engineers mix propellant from fertilizer, oxidizer and other ingredients in makeshift factories. Key contraband is still believed to be smuggled into Gaza in a handful of tunnels that remain in operation.

Hamas has publicly praised Iran for its assistance, which experts say now primarily takes the form of blueprints, engineering know-how, motor tests and other technical expertise. The State Department reports that Iran provides $100 million a year to Palestinian armed groups.

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THE ARSENAL ON DISPLAY

The Israeli military estimates that before the current round of fighting, Hamas had an arsenal of 7,000 rockets of varying ranges that can cover nearly all of Israel, as well as 300 anti-tank and 100 anti-aircraft missiles. It also has acquired dozens of unmanned aerial vehicles and has an army of some 30,000 militants, including 400 naval commandos.

In this latest war, Hamas has unveiled new weapons like attack drones, unmanned submarine drones dispatched into the sea and an unguided rocket called “Ayyash” with a 250-kilometer (155-mile) range. Israel claims those new systems have been thwarted or failed to make direct strikes.

The Israeli military says its current operation has dealt a tough blow to Hamas' weapons research, storage and production facilities. But Israeli officials acknowledge they have been unable to halt the constant barrages of rocket fire.

Unlike guided missiles, the rockets are imprecise and the vast majority have been intercepted by Israel’s Iron Dome defense system. But by continuing to frustrate Israel's superior firepower, Hamas may have made its main point.

“Hamas is not aiming for the military destruction of Israel. Ultimately, the rockets are meant to build leverage and rewrite the rules of the game,” Hinz said. “It’s psychological.”

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Associated Press writers Josef Federman in Jerusalem and Jon Gambrell in Dubai contributed to this report.

Isabel Debre, The Associated Press

 

[BudmanTX]

My Ap news link is screwing up, and not 100% that "Yahoo Finance" is just pulling the story right from them or not but it looks like they did. Anyways, earlier someone posted about the water pipes being used to make rockets and thought this might be interesting.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-world-news-hamas-united-arab-emirates-dubai-4c50a826b5f4772f44a7c758aa229ae2
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kinda makes you wonder huh

 

[k0rps]

Hopefully the people of Israel can vote out their right wing nuts and if what this guy was saying is the reality in your video, the Palestinians can vote in their leadership that is not dominated by one man's whims.

It would be ideal to have peace among neighbors. As printer said, the world is a complex place..

In Palestine, it's even more complex in which Israel believes it has the "right" to impose their laws upon Palestinians for ~80yrs now.

Laws are voted and set by the Knesset. If they have reason to doubt the Israeli president, they have the ability to remove him.

Knesset - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ok so very similar to the original people's here in North America.

Similar in that the original inhabitants of the land are being removed from their homes and placed under an authoritarian rule, yes.

Sorry I kind of forgot what I wrote earlier on this post so sorry if it doesn't make sense or if a double post.

All good ~ Appreciate your time.

 

[k0rps]

My Love to the people of Palestine. Every representative at the UN meeting but Israel's has agreed on the same thing: an end to the continued international war crimes Israel has been commiting upon the Palestinians and for the State of Palestine to be recognized as such with its civil liberties reinstated.

Israel and Hamas agree to ceasefire

Israel and Hamas agree to ceasefire in Gaza after more than a week of fighting.
Associated Press
May 20, 2021 · 3:45 PM EDT
Updated:
May 20, 2021 · 4:30 PM EDT


Israel on Thursday announced a cease-fire in the bruising 11-day war against Hamas militants that caused widespread destruction in the Gaza Strip and brought life in much of Israel to a standstill.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office announced the cease-fire after a late-night meeting of his Security Cabinet. It said the group had unanimously accepted an Egyptian proposal, though the sides were still determining exactly when it was to take effect.
Senior defense officials, including the military chief of staff and national security adviser, recommended accepting the proposal after claiming “great accomplishments” in the operation, the statement said.
Related: A Gaza mother struggles to protect her kids
Defense Minister Benny Gantz wrote on Twitter that “the reality in the field will determine the continuation of operations.”
One member of the Security Cabinet said the cease-fire would take effect at 2 a.m., roughly three hours after the announcement. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the closed-door talks.
A Hamas official said the declaration of a truce was a defeat for Netanyahu and “a victory to the Palestinian people.”
Ali Barakeh, a member of Hamas’ Arab and Islamic relations bureau, told The Associated Press that the militants will remain on alert until they hear from mediators. Once Hamas hears from mediators, the group's leadership will hold discussions and make an announcement, he said.
Shortly after the announcement, air-raid sirens indicating incoming rocket fire sounded in southern Israel.

The agreement would close the heaviest round of fighting between the bitter enemies since a 50-day war in 2014, and once again there was no clear winner. Israel inflicted heavy damage on Hamas but was unable to prevent the rocket fire that has disrupted life for millions of Israelis for more than a decade.
Since fighting broke out on May 10, Israel has launched hundreds of airstrikes that it says have targeted Hamas’ infrastructure, including a vast tunnel network. Hamas and other militant groups embedded in residential areas have fired more than 4,000 rockets at Israeli cities, with hundreds falling short and most of the rest intercepted.
At least 230 Palestinians have been killed, according to Gaza health officials, while 12 people in Israel have died.
An Egyptian official said Israel had informed his government, which is mediating the truce, that it intended to end its military operations in Gaza.
The official spoke shortly after Egypt’s President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi talked by phone with President Joe Biden. The two leaders discussed ways to stop violence in the Palestinian Territories, Sisi’s office said.
In Washington, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said that the US was trying “to do everything we can to bring an end to the conflict.”
With United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres urging an immediate ceasefire, a UN Mideast envoy was in Qatar to help with efforts to restore calm, a diplomatic official said. Energy-rich Qatar often helps mediate between Israel and Hamas and has donated hundreds of millions of dollars for development and humanitarian projects in Gaza in recent years. The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter with the media.
Biden on Wednesday publicly pressed Netanyahu to wind down the operation. The Israeli leader initially pushed back, appearing determined to inflict maximum damage on Hamas in a war that could help save his political career. But that shifted by Thursday evening.
Despite the signs of progress, fighting continued into the evening, with Israeli airstrikes on targets in Gaza and Palestinian militants firing rockets toward Israeli cities.
Earlier on Thursday, explosions shook Gaza City and orange flares lit up the pre-dawn sky, with bombing raids also reported in the central town of Deir al-Balah, and the southern town of Khan Younis. As the sun rose, residents surveyed the rubble from at least five family homes destroyed in Khan Younis. Heavy airstrikes also hit a commercial thoroughfare in Gaza City.
The Israeli military said it struck at least three homes of Hamas commanders in Khan Younis, and another in Rafah, targeting “military infrastructure,” as well as a weapons storage unit at a home in Gaza City.
Visiting the region, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said Israel has “the right to defend itself against such unacceptable attacks.” But he also expressed concern about the rising number of civilian victims and voiced support for truce efforts.
Even as the diplomatic efforts appeared to gather strength, an Israeli airstrike smashed into the Khawaldi family’s two-story house in Khan Younis, destroying it. The 11 residents, who were sleeping outside the home out of fear, were all hospitalized, said Shaker al-Khozondar, a neighbor.
Shrapnel also hit his own home, killing his aunt and wounding her daughter and two other relatives, he said. Khozondar spoke from the bedroom where his aunt died. The windows were shattered and the bed pillows and rubble stained with blood.
Weam Fares, a spokesman for a nearby hospital, confirmed the death and said at least 10 people were wounded in strikes overnight.
Heavy airstrikes also pummeled a street in the Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza, destroying ramshackle homes with corrugated metal roofs nearby. The military said it struck two underground launchers in the camp used to fire rockets at Tel Aviv.
The current round of fighting between Israel and Hamas began May 10, when the militant group fired long-range rockets toward Jerusalem, after days of clashes between Palestinian protesters and Israeli police at the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, a flashpoint site sacred to Jews and Muslims. Heavy-handed police tactics at the compound and the threatened eviction of dozens of Palestinian families by Jewish settlers had inflamed tensions.
Since the fighting began, Gaza’s infrastructure, already weakened by a 14-year blockade, has rapidly deteriorated. Medical supplies, water and fuel for electricity are running low in the territory, on which Israel and Egypt imposed the blockade after Hamas seized power in 2007.
Israeli bombing has damaged over 50 schools across the territory, according to advocacy group Save the Children, completely destroying at least six. While repairs are done, education will be disrupted for nearly 42,000 children.
Israeli attacks have also damaged at least 18 hospitals and clinics and destroyed one health facility, the World Health Organization said. Nearly half of all essential drugs have run out.
By Fares Akram and Joseph Krauss/AP

Israel and Hamas agree to ceasefire

Israel and Hamas agree to ceasefire in Gaza after more than a week of fighting.

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[hanimmal]

 

[k0rps]

hanimmal, whats the code to attach a video with set cue point? Thanks!

You mentioned before you aren't able to see private user's messages.. If you didnt know how, one clicks the user name they wish to see more from, in any given thread. Then clicking on their number of messages, all their messages should pull up on a screen for you to view.

 

[hanimmal]

hanimmal, whats the code to attach a video with set cue point? Thanks!

You mentioned before you aren't able to see private user's messages.. If you didnt know how, one clicks the user name they wish to see more from, in any given thread. Then clicking on their number of messages, all their messages should pull up on a screen for you to view.

I use the copy at the time I want it to start at.


Then when you insert it into the URL link thing it will have a 't=xxxx' for the time stamp.


You might just be able to type in the time at the end, but I am not sure if it is always what you think it should be time-wise.

You mentioned before you aren't able to see private user's messages.. If you didnt know how, one clicks the user name they wish to see more from, in any given thread. Then clicking on their number of messages, all their messages should pull up on a screen for you to view.

Oh it was just that one trolls who started that thread about George Floyd's last words when I was looking back, his account was hidden.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/injustice-in-palestine.1053638/post-16336829

 

[BudmanTX]

welp so much for a ceasefire.........it was going good while it lasted.....

Israeli forces in violent confrontations with Palestinians outside Jerusalem's Al Aqsa mosque after Gaza ceasefire | CNN

Israeli security forces used stun grenades and rubber bullets against Palestinians outside the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, where thousands of worshipers had been attending Friday prayers, puncturing a half-day of calm brought on by a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

www.cnn.com

 

[k0rps]

The Israeli Representative at yesterday's meeting. Anyone else see the tactics he uses to deflect?

The world is watching and by the words of all other representatives at the meeting, they agree.
"Quit the malarkey, Israel!"

 

[Fogdog]

The Israeli Representative at yesterday's meeting. Anyone else see the tactics he uses to deflect?

The world is watching and by the words of all other representatives at the meeting, they agree.
"Quit the malarkey, Israel!"

I didn't get past the first few moments when he held up posters containing quotes he claimed were from the Hamas Charter.

Hamas Charter does not say those things.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

It was a blatant and obvious lie. It was an insult to everybody in that room or listened. After being subjected to nearly nonstop lying and gaslighting from our very own (former) US president, I've come to expect this kind of bs from authoritarians. They lie and don't care if people know it. So, once I saw him telling a bald faced lie, I shut it off. I won't listen to liars. Because lies have an effect on the listener even when they know they are being lied to.

The lies come from both sides, though. Truth was the first casualty of the conflict.

Israel-Palestinian conflict: False and misleading claims fact-checked

We examine false and misleading claims from both sides that have been shared widely on social media.

www.bbc.com

 

[hanimmal]

The Israeli Representative at yesterday's meeting. Anyone else see the tactics he uses to deflect?

The world is watching and by the words of all other representatives at the meeting, they agree.
"Quit the malarkey, Israel!"

It makes me really happy Trump didn't figure out how to get bombs to the Proud Boys type cultists during the summer long social justice protests.

Netanyahu is a dictator and trolls just like Trump. But far more effective.

 

[k0rps]

I didn't get past the first few moments when he held up posters containing quotes he claimed were from the Hamas Charter.

Hamas Charter does not say those things.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

It was a blatant and obvious lie. It was an insult to everybody in that room or listened. After being subjected to nearly nonstop lying and gaslighting from our very own (former) US president, I've come to expect this kind of bs from authoritarians. They lie and don't care if people know it. So, once I saw him telling a bald faced lie, I shut it off. I won't listen to liars. Because lies have an effect on the listener even when they know they are being lied to.

The lies come from both sides, though. Truth was the first casualty of the conflict.

Israel-Palestinian conflict: False and misleading claims fact-checked

We examine false and misleading claims from both sides that have been shared widely on social media.

www.bbc.com

It's hard to watch. I had to turn the volume down and tune half of it out. I wanted to hear what they had to say. And, you are right. It's exhausting the amount of trigger words and graphic language to tell stories and comparisons, an apology followed by a 'but'.. The world knows better by now.

 

[BudmanTX]

i didn't even watch it, cause i knew it was BS.....

 

[Fogdog]

i didn't even watch it, cause i knew it was BS.....

Your instincts were correct, sir.

Snickering at the fake anger stuck onto on his sweaty face was worth a few seconds. To me. Maybe not worth it for others.

 

[k0rps]

Israeli Side(2020)

Palestinian Side(2015)

Interesting, dude gets upset when they mention "zionism". I wonder why people deflect instead of having an honest conversation about Zionism.

 

[mooray]

Lotta backwards mf'ers out there.

 

[hanimmal]

It's hard to watch. I had to turn the volume down and tune half of it out. I wanted to hear what they had to say. And, you are right. It's exhausting the amount of trigger words and graphic language to tell stories and comparisons, an apology followed by a 'but'.. The world knows better by now.

I am pretty sure it is because Trump broke the scam's ability to shock.

Israeli Side(2020)

Palestinian Side(2015)

Interesting, dude gets upset when they mention "zionism". I wonder why people deflect instead of having an honest conversation about Zionism.

You don't think that it makes sense that word is just as programmed into responsding poorly as 'racist' is here in the states?

Also do you think that those videos are a fair representative of all the Jewish people? I know I can cherry pick racists all day long and show videos about their fucked up views.

All I need to know this is the look on the ladies face behind this guy:

Im sure if you would have had cameras in the like we do now you for sure would have gotten the same kind of responses about minorities and women when our society was moving through the worst of it's racist origins.

 

[Fogdog]

Israeli Side(2020)

Palestinian Side(2015)

Interesting, dude gets upset when they mention "zionism". I wonder why people deflect instead of having an honest conversation about Zionism.

Good examples of how to and how not to ask people questions.

The first vid seemed to me the questioner would give comments and follow up questions to clarify and listened while the (Jewish) subjects give their answers.

In the second one, I didn't listen to the whole thing but he wouldn't just let the answer alone. As if he was pushing for a different answer. He didn't just seem angry about their differences in the meaning of Zionism, he seemed angry that the Palestinians said they would ban most Jews from Palestine if they could.

Both groups, Jewish and Palestinian, contained people who felt the others should be made leave. I don't think a two state solution was the most popular with either. I saw racial bias in both groups. Racism, in the Jewish group.

 

[schuylaar]

 

[schuylaar]

Israeli Side(2020)

Palestinian Side(2015)

Interesting, dude gets upset when they mention "zionism". I wonder why people deflect instead of having an honest conversation about Zionism.

for the same reason no one wants to talk about something- guilt, shame..that's why Congress doesn't want an Independent Commission for 1/6.