Bernie Sanders 2020
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smokin away
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Maybe you haven't seen Trump's record of business. Just read about it on Wiki. That's only thing he has to show except for his abortion of a Presidency. He's no stranger to the courts riddled with Bankruptcies and injury lawsuits concerning his Business career as well as IRS audits. He just plays with investments like poker player in the casino. One should ask if this is the right choice for a democracy?
SFnone
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? What's your point? I know trump sucks... again, not sure what you bernouts are alluding to. have to also add, I can see why people say Bernie has the most diverse base. Never seen so much diversity. what is that, like 5, maybe 6 black people. damn, that messiah Bernie is bringing us all together. well, mostly all us white, under 35 people who fall for his powerful words that don't go anywhere and don't say anything, but are said so powerfully. OMFG, I just can't wait till he comes to my town so I can hear his gospel. Bernie will save us all.
Fogdog
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He didn't author that bill. As with every progressive vote he ever cast, it went in support of a bill that a Democrat wrote. Take a look at Warren's experience in the Senate and compare it to Sanders. In five years, Warren's list of accomplishments dwarfs Bernies. Still, Bernies cult love to trumpet how great he is at voting for other people's bills.Ma
What about his voting record? He voted against the war in Iraq. A war we are now questioning as necessary. Bernie has been a Senator for 11yr and Warren only five yr. They are very close in agreement as only disagreeing 40 times in this Congress. Let's read on and then decide.
Compare: Bernard Sanders (ID-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)
Compare the voting records of any two members of Congress.projects.propublica.org
Warren is better educated and accomplished much in a private practice. Doctorate in law, practiced and taught bankruptcy law. Went into the Obama administration by request to help deal with the financial crisis then, when she realized she couldn't agree with Obama's administration, gained a seat in the senate and Chaired the oversight comittee and was critical of how Obama's administration let big banks off the hook. In the meantime, Backbiting Bernie tagged along.
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Fogdog
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LOL, true that. "Oh look, a black person supports Bernie, better put them close to Bernie for a photo op."
He didn't win in Iowa, one of the whitest places in the nation. Buttigieg came from nowhere to tie or beat him. Whatever happened to Bernie's boast that he'd boost turnout? Dismal turnout BTW. His cult is full of hot air and lies.
Shua1991
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Is this why it takes 9 minutes to access my account? I'm bring throttled by the owners of this website for staying predictions and facts.
ive had easier times at ICMAG and UK420
Fucking losers. A website isn't useful now outside of maintaining a hivemind like you fucking losers. Sanders is going to win you crybaby whiners.
hanimmal
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Really, there is a lot of great plant information and some really great gardening tutorials. There is even a bomb ass tech page with some stellar engineering. Weird that you would just focus on it being useful to push your politics.
This thread reminds me of how Canada ended up with 3 federal left wing parties and 1 united right wing party, so now basically the Conservative Party of Canada can win a majority with 35% ish of the popular vote. Little bit different for you guys, instead of a third party your other left wingers just get butthurt and decide not to show up. Dont you guys feel like there is a real danger it happens again and Trump sends you a thank you card in the mail?
Fogdog
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It's true that authoritarians follow a leader while those who reject authoritarianism follow their beliefs.
I don't find that a fault.
Fogdog
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LOL
yeah, you were told you were being an asshole. Too funny that you blame others for that.
Unclebaldrick
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I Ike turtles.
hanimmal
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For me it is the same 'my guy or nothing' that Trump supporters demand. Along with the refusal to acknowledge the Russian disinformation campaign that is causing so much turmoil in our democracy by creating false narratives.
We are all on the same side, it sucks that these artificial divisions are so hardened.
You're pathetic.
smokin away
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Have you sat down and listen to him speak?
Try it, he might just get through to you too. Ya, he wants to give us all a nice fatty but it's so much more my friend.
Bernie Sanders Leads Trump by Widest Margin of Candidates: 2020 Poll
The poll asked voters to choose between President Donald Trump and each Democratic candidate as though the election was being held today.
www.newsweek.com
You know that's what's important.
This is it for me. I'm going to just sit back and watch my flowers grow for awhile. Happy RIU!
abandonconflict
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Yes, he's always so cranky and angry. He's actually much more of an ass hole in person. I can't stand that motherfucker, but with his personality, it's no wonder he has a heart condition.
Fogdog
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Didn't watch the videosHave you sat down and listen to him speak?
Try it, he might just get through to you too. Ya, he wants to give us all a nice fatty but it's so much more my friend.
Then watch the polls:
He's on top most likely to beat Trump.Bernie Sanders Leads Trump by Widest Margin of Candidates: 2020 Poll
The poll asked voters to choose between President Donald Trump and each Democratic candidate as though the election was being held today.
You know that's what's important.
This is it for me. I'm going to just sit back and watch my flowers grow for awhile. Happy RIU!
The only polls that matter are election polls.
Sanders lost the last time and he wouldn't have won if he had won.
abandonconflict
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I disagree, I think that if he had won, that would mean that he might have won. The fact that he didn't win, is a clear indication that he didn't actually win. But to say therefore that he would have won if he hadn't lost is not deductive. He did lose though, which means he didn't win. He might have won, if he hadn't lost. Most likely you're correct, it's just not deductive either way.
It's no surprise this complex issue has been argued for four years and may well be argued for the rest of his life and even beyond.
Fogdog
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Maybe in some alternate 2016 reality, where Sanders actually was a good leader on civil rights, he could have won the nomination and then won popular national vote. Without support from minority and women voters, no candidate can fairly win the Democratic Party's nomination for president. Sanders lost that vote long before 2016. At the DNC his campaign lobbied delegates to switch their votes to him. A desperate effort to be sure but defeating the popular vote was the only way he could have won at that time. It would have been a Pyrrhic victory, though.
Down by huge margins among the delegates chosen by voters, Sanders had already opened the door for the party's unelected superdelegates to throw him the nomination. At the press conference, Sanders emphasized one part of this pitch: that the superdelegates in states he's won should swing their support behind his campaign.
"Those superdelegates in states where either candidate has won a landslide victory ought to seriously reflect on whether they should cast their superdelegate vote in line with the wishes of the people in their states," Sanders said.
link to source
This primary will get real when it moves into more diverse states. If Bernie can do better than gain a paltry the 20% of black voters that he got 2016, let's say 45%, then he has a chance. Not saying he can't, just saying he hasn't yet demonstrated his support from 2016 Clinton voters is any better. In 2017 and 2018, he burned, not built, bridges with those voters.
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hanimmal
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Now that we know "Gucifer 2.0' is the Russian military, and Wikileaks was in contact with the Trump campaign through Roger Stone, we can see that Trump was giving the Russians the direction to use Bernie supporters as a wedge in the Democratic voter base.
It was only by creating conflict in the Democratic party that the Russians/Trump trolls could suppress enough votes in those key states (especially in minority communities) to push Trump into a win the electoral college even though he had lost the popular vote by more than 2 million voters.