Earliest flowering strains for breeding?

Mrs. Weedstein

Mrs. Weedstein

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Hey there, I am in the process of a DIY breeding project — mostly interested in stuff that’s well suited for the wet side of Oregon. Any recommendations as to particularly early flowering varieties that I can use for crossing? Any particularly resistant to fungus and molds? Also, any experience with autoflower breeding? I realize the plant must inherent the recessive autoflower gene from both parents to actually autoflower. However, will having just one autoflower parent be enough to speed up flowering a bit?
 
Mrs. Weedstein

Mrs. Weedstein

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Jaybodankly said:
Breeding is usually not a newbie topic because they are working on growing skills. Nothing wrong with the question tho.
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Yeah I figured I’d just jump in with both feet. Though I’m a newbie to cannabis, I’ve been gardening for years and work in agriculture, so I feel like I’m not totally starting from square one.
 
I.G.Rowdit

I.G.Rowdit

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The timing of Heterozygous photoperiodic plants is just like homozygous photoperiodics. I doubt that there is anything to be gained by pursuing that avenue. The one thing I have noticed about heterozygous plants is that they tend to be shorter in height but no change in finish time.

If you want fast/early flowering your only option is automatics. As an example, I grew Walter White from Mephisto this summer. Total time from seed to harvest was 90 days; June, July and August. You could stagger the start-time to make finish-time whenever you want.

Regardless of species or variety, photoperiodic plants almost always start to bloom about the same time, when the day length is around 14 hours. Some finish quicker than others but there is little difference in the actual starting time, i.e. the calendar day that flowering starts.

As one reply suggested, the Dutch have developed varieties that perform well, and finish on time, in their cool, moist climate. A couple I have tried are : Hollands Hope (Dutch Passion), Frisian Dew (Dutch Passion). These two showed no ill effects of the cool, wet October they finished in. That same year a large Northern Lights was completely consumed by fungus after a brief, overnight rain in late September.

Landrace strains offer the promise of uniformity. A true landrace strain is a local variety that is grown in sufficient quantity to assure genetic diversity but isolated from any other strains. In principle, there should be one phenotype. However, the problem with landrace strains is that you have to trust the supplier. Because "landrace" has become a synonym for "unspoiled" or "natural" there is a demand for landrace varieties. There is no way, other than growing a lot of them, to verify that seed is from a landrace strain. So vendors can tack on the 'landrace' label knowing customers will have to wait a long time to verify that they are really landrace plants.

So, if you want to raise landrace seedlings you just have to hope your vendor knew what he was talking about and be prepared to grow one generation to verify.

If you are simply looking for a strain that will produce a single phenotype you are going to have to figure it out for yourself.
 
Mrs. Weedstein

Mrs. Weedstein

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I.G.Rowdit said:
The timing of Heterozygous photoperiodic plants is just like homozygous photoperiodics. I doubt that there is anything to be gained by pursuing that avenue. The one thing I have noticed about heterozygous plants is that they tend to be shorter in height but no change in finish time.

If you want fast/early flowering your only option is automatics. As an example, I grew Walter White from Mephisto this summer. Total time from seed to harvest was 90 days; June, July and August. You could stagger the start-time to make finish-time whenever you want.

Regardless of species or variety, photoperiodic plants almost always start to bloom about the same time, when the day length is around 14 hours. Some finish quicker than others but there is little difference in the actual starting time, i.e. the calendar day that flowering starts.

As one reply suggested, the Dutch have developed varieties that perform well, and finish on time, in their cool, moist climate. A couple I have tried are : Hollands Hope (Dutch Passion), Frisian Dew (Dutch Passion). These two showed no ill effects of the cool, wet October they finished in. That same year a large Northern Lights was completely consumed by fungus after a brief, overnight rain in late September.

Landrace strains offer the promise of uniformity. A true landrace strain is a local variety that is grown in sufficient quantity to assure genetic diversity but isolated from any other strains. In principle, there should be one phenotype. However, the problem with landrace strains is that you have to trust the supplier. Because "landrace" has become a synonym for "unspoiled" or "natural" there is a demand for landrace varieties. There is no way, other than growing a lot of them, to verify that seed is from a landrace strain. So vendors can tack on the 'landrace' label knowing customers will have to wait a long time to verify that they are really landrace plants.

So, if you want to raise landrace seedlings you just have to hope your vendor knew what he was talking about and be prepared to grow one generation to verify.

If you are simply looking for a strain that will produce a single phenotype you are going to have to figure it out for yourself.
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Thanks for the advice. I realize the photoperiod plants are going to get triggered around the same time, but I’ve noticed pretty big differences among the 4 strains I’m growing this year. For example, Harle tsu and Cinex flowers are already looking thick and bulky, while those on Oregon Pinot Noir and Chem Burn are still pretty scrawny.

When you refer to your heterozygous plants, do you mean they have just one autoflower ruderalis parent?
 
Mrs. Weedstein

Mrs. Weedstein

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Or in other words, they only have one recessive autoflower gene rather than both (like blue eyes) so it’s not expressed, correct?
 
Mrs. Weedstein

Mrs. Weedstein

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Coloradoclear said:
Dig deep, "lots of early" strains coming out of Oregon that are EXCEPTIONAL!
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Any ones in particular that are impressive? Aside from early flowering, I’m shooting for disease resistance, moderate height, ability to withstand occasionally high summer temperatures
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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To be honest I have no experience with Autos but if were talking early finishing photos that would be likely to resist mold, & stay relatively short theres 2 strains that come to mind:

1)HSO's "Black D.O.G." which was an awesome grower/quantity/stone and finish time of like 58 days for me...Im talking done done at 58. Full on black leaves orange hairs and amber frost. Taste was amazing and I know a couple great breeders currently working with it that have had the same results with it that I experienced. Blackberry flavor all the way to the roach. Amazing terps and bag appeal for days.

2)BOG's "Lifesaver" which was up there for fast finishes. Its been boasted as his fastest finisher for years. My fastest finisher with those was like 52 days or something I believe? It was yrs ago so I may be +/- a day or two, but I do remember it being astonishingly fast and sub 55 days. On top of it being a very fast finisher, she was a quality smoke that was like grape bubble tape bubble gum. Tasted just like it smelled when dried and burned. Come to think of it, I may just revisit that one again now that Im thinking about it haha
disclaimer: I had gifted some "Lifesaver" seeds to a good friend of mine on here and he had the exact opposite experience with finishing times. I believe it was closer to 70 and possibly could have went longer.

Pretty sure both are still available from both breeders also. Best of luck with your seeds @Mrs. Weedstein
 
Mrs. Weedstein

Mrs. Weedstein

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HydroRed said:
To be honest I have no experience with Autos but if were talking early finishing photos that would be likely to resist mold, & stay relatively short theres 2 strains that come to mind:

1)HSO's "Black D.O.G." which was an awesome grower/quantity/stone and finish time of like 58 days for me...Im talking done done at 58. Full on black leaves orange hairs and amber frost. Taste was amazing and I know a couple great breeders currently working with it that have had the same results with it that I experienced. Blackberry flavor all the way to the roach. Amazing terps and bag appeal for days.

2)BOG's "Lifesaver" which was up there for fast finishes. Its been boasted as his fastest finisher for years. My fastest finisher with those was like 52 days or something I believe? It was yrs ago so I may be +/- a day or two, but I do remember it being astonishingly fast and sub 55 days. On top of it being a very fast finisher, she was a quality smoke that was like grape bubble tape bubble gum. Tasted just like it smelled when dried and burned. Come to think of it, I may just revisit that one again now that Im thinking about it haha
disclaimer: I had gifted some "Lifesaver" seeds to a good friend of mine on here and he had the exact opposite experience with finishing times. I believe it was closer to 70 and possibly could have went longer.

Pretty sure both are still available from both breeders also. Best of luck with your seeds @Mrs. Weedstein
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Awesome, thanks for the advice!
 
SchmoeJoe

SchmoeJoe

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I've seen a multiple hybrid with ruderalis
(Thai x indica x ruderalis) out of Southern Oregon that finished early, got huge, was pest resistant, and finished early without being an autoflower and didn't sacrifice quality.

It's important to understand that you can have a dozen different 60 day strains and pretty much none of them will finish at exactly the same time outdoors because they'll also start flowering at different ratios of day/night. Take the Oregon Diesel for example. It will flower with anything less than an 18/6 photoperiod.
 
Giggsy70

Giggsy70

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OregonGreenSeed.com has strains specifically for PNW growing. Their Oregon Grown OG is a Early flowering Iranian (not auti flower) x Ghost og with a short flowering time.
Second Generation genetics uses a DJ Short blueberry f4 for their breeding male equating to shorter grow times less than 70 days. They are from Oregon too.
 
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