Capitalism 2.0 Will Include a Healthy Dose of Socialism

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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ttystikk said:
America ISN'T a Democratic country; it's an oligarchy masquerading as a democracy. We 'democratically' choose between nominees chosen for us by the oligarchs.

Just like obese people losing weight (another problem Americans commonly delude themselves about), nothing will change in America until we realize the basic facts of our situation.
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With that attitude yer defeated before you even begin. Over half of the new democratic congress is progressive, I would suggest you get behind HR1 for the next couple of years and become a fanatic about, it addresses many of your concerns.

America is still a democratic country, flawed, but who ain't, don't be such a perfectionist, your vote and work count towards the outcome. America's problem is racism and tribalism that those you oppose help to foment and use against the country to maintain power.

Believe it or not ya gotta fight for freedom, it wasn't just the job of those who came before, but is everybody's responsibility in the here and now. Start by being part of the progressive wing of the democrats and going to where the sausage of policy is made, support HR1 and put pressure on all the elected officials in your life, indivisible showed the way and the results are now in the house of representatives.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
With that attitude yer defeated before you even begin. Over half of the new democratic congress is progressive, I would suggest you get behind HR1 for the next couple of years and become a fanatic about, it addresses many of your concerns.

America is still a democratic country, flawed, but who ain't, don't be such a perfectionist, your vote and work count towards the outcome. America's problem is racism and tribalism that those you oppose help to foment and use against the country to maintain power.

Believe it or not ya gotta fight for freedom, it wasn't just the job of those who came before, but is everybody's responsibility in the here and now. Start by being part of the progressive wing of the democrats and going to where the sausage of policy is made, support HR1 and put pressure on all the elected officials in your life, indivisible showed the way and the results are now in the house of representatives.
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This is where you get called a corporate shill.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Lots of women voted for Trump, and women voted for the major party candidates- the ones chosen for us by the utterly undemocratic nomination process- in the same overwhelming percentages as men.
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Bernie lost fair and square. He said so himself.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Look, eventually people are gonna be eliminated from most productive functions, we're talking 20 to 30 years into the future and just extrapolating current and past trends while looking at coming technologies. If you live in a free country most people will be on a national income of some kind.

Firearms will probably be banned in the USA within 30 years too, the second amendment is on it's way out you can see the ground swell building. The NRA is finished because they committed treason and is now bankrupt with much of it's leadership resigning in disgrace, criminal charges are coming for some of them at least. With in 6 years most of the states and all of the federal government will be controlled by the democrats and the republicans are going to be in disarray and divided, probably into two parties. Even in the south the GOP is in deep trouble.

Get on board with HR1 and get your country back in the hands of the real people, you'll be hearing a lot more about HR1, so will the republicans.
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I see you are fluent in contradiction speak.

I'm a little unsure where to start on your target rich post. Let's go with "free country and national income". Aren't those terms in opposition to one another?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
I see you are fluent in contradiction speak.

I'm a little unsure where to start on your target rich post. Let's go with "free country and national income". Aren't those terms in opposition to one another?
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hey neo nazi pedophile,

tel us more about your great idea of a barter economy you retard
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
hey neo nazi pedophile,

tel us more about your great idea of a barter economy you retard
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Oh sure, thought you'd never ask. Well, it all begins when consenting parties make a willing and mutual exchange.

For instance you want a hamburger and you have some cat shit cured weed.

I want some cat shit cured weed (for a gag gift) and have a hamburger.

We agree to make a consensual exchange. You eat the delicious hamburger and are intensely satisfied.

I give out your cat shit weed and my friend's chagrine at the unpleasantly cured weed gives everybody a good laugh.

It's like a mutual orgasm, except this time you only have catsup squirting in your mouth.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
Oh sure, thought you'd never ask. Well, it all begins when consenting parties make a willing and mutual exchange.

For instance you want a hamburger and you have some cat shit cured weed.

I want some cat shit cured weed (for a gag gift) and have a hamburger.

We agree to make a consensual exchange. You eat the delicious hamburger and are intensely satisfied.

I give out your cat shit weed and my friend's chagrine at the unpleasantly cured weed gives everybody a good laugh.

It's like a mutual orgasm, except this time you only have catsup squirting in your mouth.
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so a barter economy would be good for america and would not cripple us and reduce us into a third world country or anything

you're smart and do economics good, yes?
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Rob Roy said:
I see you are fluent in contradiction speak.

I'm a little unsure where to start on your target rich post. Let's go with "free country and national income". Aren't those terms in opposition to one another?
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It's the future and if yer young enough you'll see it. Do you think an unemployable majority of the population in a rich free country won't cause change?

When the GOP and NRA disappear from the political stage, what do you think will happen with gun laws? If the government can constitutionally ban machine guns and artillery pieces they can do the same with automatic weapons. The intent of the original founders (real important to the right I might add) you know the originalist, conservative judges, was for single shot muzzle loaders, shit they can even restrict it to single shot flintlocks, no caps allowed and no second amendment violations either. The SCOTUS has not tested this yet and it will be interesting to see the results with the originalst on the court, they'd be more of a concern to you than the modern "liberals". To these people the constitution is a dead document, not a living thing like it is for the progressives.
 
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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DIY-HP-LED said:
It's the future and if yer young enough you'll see it. Do you think a unemployable majority of the population in a rich free country won't cause change?

When the GOP and NRA disappear from the political stage, what do you think will happen with gun laws? If the government can constitutionally ban machine guns and artillery pieces they can do the same with automatic weapons. The intent of the original founders (real important to the right I might add) you know the originalist, conservative judges, was for single shot muzzle loaders, shit they can even restrict it to single shot flintlocks, no caps allowed and no second amendment violations either.
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So free speech only included things written on paper from 1780 and didn't mean things written on a type writer or a computer centuries later then?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
so a barter economy would be good for america and would not cripple us and reduce us into a third world country or anything

you're smart and do economics good, yes?
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First question is fraught with presuppositions.

Second question is tempting.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Rob Roy said:
So free speech only included things written on paper from 1780 and didn't mean things written on a type writer or a computer centuries later then?
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Speech is not a physical thing, arms are (and are subject to legal definition) besides, speech is covered under the 1st amendment, a different thing. Interpretation is up to the SCOTUS and you'll have better luck with the second amendment among the liberals than among the conservative dead document crowd. This issue has yet to be tested by the SCOTUS, but it will be. Like I said, if the state can restrict the caliber of weapons and machine guns, they can do the same for not just automatic weapons, but for repeating arms as well.
 
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Speech is not a physical thing, arms are and speech is covered under the 1st amendment, different thing. Interpretation is up to the SCOTUS and you'll have better luck with the second amendment among the liberals than among the conservative dead document crowd. This issue has yet to be tested by the SCOTUS, but it will be.
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Can you show me where "interpretation is up to SCOTUS" originated from ?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
the smart economics guy can't explain how a barter economy will benefit us all
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Oh okaaaaay, numbnuts ! You can have some crumbs.


Below is excerpted from a Voluntaryist website. Enjoy

The Economic Argument
People engage in voluntary exchanges because they anticipate improving their lot; the only individuals capable of judging the merits of an exchange are the parties to it. Voluntaryism follows naturally if no one does anything to stop it. The interplay of natural property and exchanges results in a free market price system, which conveys the necessary information needed to make intelligent economic decisions. Interventionism and collectivism make economic calculation impossible because they disrupt the free market price system. Even the smallest government intervention leads to problems which justify the call for more and more intervention. Also, “controlled” economies leave no room for new inventions, new ways of doing things, or for the “unforeseeable and unpredictable.” Free market competition is a learning process which brings about results which no one can know in advance. There is no way to tell how much harm has been done and will continue to be done by political restrictions.
 
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